The top ten Heavyweight Legacies of the fighters from 1999 to current

[The D3vil]

@ the D3vil,




I do. Just because I did not mention here doesn't mean I do not hold it against him. Povetkin absolutely tested positive. He did as an older fighter, not a young man like Fury did. So the shadow of doubt for Fury is very big.

But Povetkin did not duck anyone. He fought many men in their prime that were ranked even as an older fighter.


Fury fought much older and older and fatter men...a lot of them. It was his specialty. I think he only fought 3 men ranked in ring magazine top when he fought them as champion. He has several exposed moments in victory vs. unranked guys. Examples are a garden variety English regional fighter named McDermott and blown up and older former cruiser weigt Cunningham. That stuff never happened to Povetkin who fought cleanly unlike Fury who was docked point five times in separate fights! And should have been docked a point in his last fight. See the elbow he landed to the jaw in round six vs the 0-0 fighter.


So in summary Povetkin foght better competition, fought without losing points, and accepted various challenges to fight highly ranked men and ducked nobody. That is why I rank him higher.

I hope that makes sense.

Cheeers.

He was a drug cheat, so if we're penalizing drug cheats, that's what we're doing.

There's no such thing of "fighting clean" while you're a doper.

WE know he got caught in 2016 at age 36, but we don't know when started juicing or if he juiced his entire career

Why did guys pop dirty when they fought Deontay Wilder?

Because he insisted on strict VADA testing.

So, all those non-Wilder fights he fought are suspect as hell.

He also fought in a weak era, just like the Klitschkos.

Let's not act like this dude fought a murderers row of talent

So he fought guys who would've been mediocre in most eras & The Klitschkos.

Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, Oleksandr Usyk, & Anthony Joshua would all be favored against anybody Povetkin beat.

They'd all be favored against Povetkin as well, even in his prime.

[Dr. Z]

He was a drug cheat, so if we're penalizing drug cheats, that's what we're doing.

There's no such thing of "fighting clean" while you're a doper.

WE know he got caught in 2016 at age 36, but we don't know when started juicing or if he juiced his entire career

Why did guys pop dirty when they fought Deontay Wilder?

Because he insisted on strict VADA testing.

So, all those non-Wilder fights he fought are suspect as hell.

He also fought in a weak era, just like the Klitschkos.

Let's not act like this dude fought a murderers row of talent

So he fought guys who would've been mediocre in most eras & The Klitschkos.

Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, Oleksandr Usyk, & Anthony Joshua would all be favored against anybody Povetkin beat.

They'd all be favored against Povetkin as well, even in his prime.

It is too bad Wilder ran from the match with Povetkin. Povetkin would have knocked him out.

I must ask you, who is Wilder top victory? Who? Can you name him? He is a glass jawed man who fights the old. Yeah he can punch.

The Klitschko's era is better than this era.

[QueensburyRules]

You're correct, I didn't even think about it really.

One thing that I do know is this: If I ever need to find you, all that I'd need to do is mention James Toney,

and wha-la..... it's IronDanHamza in the thread.

It's like magic I tell ya!




And Chris Byrd could box his ass off.


I really liked watching him peppering those Heavyweight faces and then slipping out of there,


clean. ...............Rockin'

- - Why Byrd never fight Two Ton?

At least I don’t remember it not that I think it’d be memorable.

[Dr. Z]

- - Why Byrd never fight Two Ton?

At least I don’t remember it not that I think it’d be memorable.

Byrd did fight touch of sleep Williamson in perhaps the worst heavyweight title match is 30 years!

Try to stay awake if you can.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8jjfqz

[The D3vil]

It is too bad Wilder ran from the match with Povetkin. Povetkin would have knocked him out.

I must ask you, who is Wilder top victory? Who? Can you name him? He is a glass jawed man who fights the old. Yeah he can punch.

The Klitschko's era is better than this era.

It's too bad Povetkin decided to cheat when he fought Deontay Wilder & missed his opportunity to be heavyweight champ.

And who's Wilder's best victory? Any of them are better than being a cheat like Povetkin who got caught cheating.

Fact is, there's only 4 HWs that matter currently.

Fury, Joshua, Wilder, & Usyk.

Fury & Wilder fought each other 3x

Joshua & Usyk fought each other 2x

Fury & Wilder fought to the death 2x with Wilder knocking down the universally accepted best of this generation 4x with blows that would've kept anyone else down.

Joshua was humiliated by Usyk, who was just a cruiserweight a few years ago 2x in fights that weren't even close.

None of them have great resumes.

Wilder's is no worse than any of the others because it's not a great heavyweight era.

Still better than the Klitschko-era of Kevin Johnson, Valuev, & 45 year olds like Holyfield being able to compete seriously .

[Dr. Z]

It's too bad Povetkin decided to cheat when he fought Deontay Wilder & missed his opportunity to be heavyweight champ.

And who's Wilder's best victory? Any of them are better than being a cheat like Povetkin who got caught cheating.

Fact is, there's only 4 HWs that matter currently.

Fury, Joshua, Wilder, & Usyk.

Fury & Wilder fought each other 3x

Joshua & Usyk fought each other 2x

Fury & Wilder fought to the death 2x with Wilder knocking down the universally accepted best of this generation 4x with blows that would've kept anyone else down.

Joshua was humiliated by Usyk, who was just a cruiserweight a few years ago 2x in fights that weren't even close.

None of them have great resumes.

Wilder's is no worse than any of the others because it's not a great heavyweight era.

Still better than the Klitschko-era of Kevin Johnson, Valuev, & 45 year olds like Holyfield being able to compete seriously .

No Wilder is not close to Wlad's legacy. He clearly did not fight the same quality of competition.

Please list Wilder's best win. You ducking this question.

[QueensburyRules]

It's too bad Povetkin decided to cheat when he fought Deontay Wilder & missed his opportunity to be heavyweight champ.

And who's Wilder's best victory? Any of them are better than being a cheat like Povetkin who got caught cheating.

Fact is, there's only 4 HWs that matter currently.

Fury, Joshua, Wilder, & Usyk.

Fury & Wilder fought each other 3x

Joshua & Usyk fought each other 2x

Fury & Wilder fought to the death 2x with Wilder knocking down the universally accepted best of this generation 4x with blows that would've kept anyone else down.

Joshua was humiliated by Usyk, who was just a cruiserweight a few years ago 2x in fights that weren't even close.

None of them have great resumes.

Wilder's is no worse than any of the others because it's not a great heavyweight era.

Still better than the Klitschko-era of Kevin Johnson, Valuev, & 45 year olds like Holyfield being able to compete seriously .

- - Dude, I know you don't have any other place to go after they kicked you permanently outta of elementary school, but clearly those leaking BarneyBigBoys need tending by your minder.

First fight AJ had Usyk at the point of stoppage in most illegite boxing jurisdictions, but AJ in a fairly officiated fight loses a tight decision. This after Usyk was cleaned up, stitched up, and prepared for a post presser. usyk-wins.jpg?resize=600%2C400&ssl=1.jpg


Pov caught out in the crosshairs of shyte drug testing. Deyonce a TBA Haymon fighter blanched and never made it to Moscow. Hightailed back to his Alabamy Peanut Farm as further VADA testing proved Pov clean, ie:

Povetkin vs. Wilder, cancellation[edit]


It was announced that Povetkin would fight WBC World Champion Deontay Wilder (36-0, 35 KOs) in Moscow, Russia, on a date set to yet be announced at the Megasport Arena. It was originally set for May 21, 2016 until Povetkin failed a drug test.^[109] On May 14, it was reported that Povetkin had failed a drugs test.^[110] The fight has been put in jeopardy after he tested positive for the banned substance meldonium. Promotor Andrei Ryabinsky added that Povetkin did take meldonium last year, but stopped before it was banned, and only "leftover traces of meldonium at a very low concentration" were found in a blood sample given by the 36-year-old last month. It was reported on May 15, that the assertion from Povetkin's promoter that it was in his system only because he took it late last year, before it was banned, appeared untrue.^[111] The WBC announced on May 15, a week before the fight that it would be postponed.^[112] On May 31, it was announced on Sky Sports by Povetkin's promoters that new drug test results prove the Povetkin is a clean athlete. The new doping test, taken May 17, showed no traces of meldonium. This was reported by VADA.<sup>[113]

I recommend Harry Potters. They have smart warnings of overflow notices for your minder to attend to...sorted...</sup>

[Dr. Z]

- - Dude, I know you don't have any other place to go after they kicked you permanently outta of elementary school, but clearly those leaking BarneyBigBoys need tending by your minder.

First fight AJ had Usyk at the point of stoppage in most illegite boxing jurisdictions, but AJ in a fairly officiated fight loses a tight decision. This after Usyk was cleaned up, stitched up, and prepared for a post presser. usyk-wins.jpg?resize=600%2C400&amp;ssl=1.jpg


Pov caught out in the crosshairs of shyte drug testing. Deyonce a TBA Haymon fighter blanched and never made it to Moscow. Hightailed back to his Alabamy Peanut Farm as further VADA testing proved Pov clean, ie:

Povetkin vs. Wilder, cancellation[edit]


It was announced that Povetkin would fight WBC World Champion Deontay Wilder (36-0, 35 KOs) in Moscow, Russia, on a date set to yet be announced at the Megasport Arena. It was originally set for May 21, 2016 until Povetkin failed a drug test.^[109] On May 14, it was reported that Povetkin had failed a drugs test.^[110] The fight has been put in jeopardy after he tested positive for the banned substance meldonium. Promotor Andrei Ryabinsky added that Povetkin did take meldonium last year, but stopped before it was banned, and only "leftover traces of meldonium at a very low concentration" were found in a blood sample given by the 36-year-old last month. It was reported on May 15, that the assertion from Povetkin's promoter that it was in his system only because he took it late last year, before it was banned, appeared untrue.^[111] The WBC announced on May 15, a week before the fight that it would be postponed.^[112] On May 31, it was announced on Sky Sports by Povetkin's promoters that new drug test results prove the Povetkin is a clean athlete. The new doping test, taken May 17, showed no traces of meldonium. This was reported by VADA.<sup>[113]

I recommend Harry Potters. They have smart warnings of overflow notices for your minder to attend to...sorted...</sup>

As I said Wilder used some dubious news to silk away for the Povetkin fight.

[billeau2]

Interesting list. Very unique.

Talk about De ja Vou! Those were the exact words Ive heard twice in my life, regarding a school assignment. The first time was in fifth grade just before I got my paper back with a big fat F... The second time was in Graduate school when I pilloried Hegel in the class of a philosophy prof who... you guessed it... LOVED Hegel!

[crimsonfalcon07]

Fact is, there's only 4 HWs that matter currently.

Fury, Joshua, Wilder, & Usyk.

Was rewatching Fury fights recently, and it almost feels like we could, historically say that there's a difference between Ben Davison Fury and Kronk Fury. I'd be curious to hear your take on the differences. For instance, Fury in the first Wilder fight kept Wilder to landing only 17% of his punches. Fury in the rematch let through 34%, and 20.3 in the trilogy, of which most were power punches. I think Chisora was landing in the 35% range in the trilogy fight. His Kronk style seems to be better at getting stoppages, but also easier to hit. Kronk Fury seems like he relies more on using his size to bully his smaller opponents, while Davison Fury used a lot more movement, body and feet and head all, and boxed from the outside more. Almost made me feel like from the perspective of history that there's 5 relevant heavies.