Does Fury's Performance With Ngannou Affect His Standing?

[Eff Pandas]

Who gives a fook. I don't understand why boxing fans are so into being the best P4P, ATG, the best of the decade & all these mythical bs things. You are the best today or you aren't. You are a top ten guy today or you aren't. Thats all you can really be now & thats all you could be back in the day. All this bs is just a bunch of grown ass ppl measuring unmeasurable sh^t who aren't even the best equipped with the knowledge to even judge that unmeasurable sh^t. Its fooking silly.

[Marchegiano]

Who gives a fook. I don't understand why boxing fans are so into being the best P4P, ATG, the best of the decade & all these mythical bs things. You are the best today or you aren't. You are a top ten guy today or you aren't. Thats all you can really be now & thats all you could be back in the day. All this bs is just a bunch of grown ass ppl measuring unmeasurable sh^t who aren't even the best equipped with the knowledge to even judge that unmeasurable sh^t. Its fooking silly.

This ****ing guy!

No ****, I clicked this thread only because I saw Panda had responded and the guy just never disappoints.

Goddamn Panda, 75 points.

[them_apples]

Imo of course it does. He got exposed and so does the rest of the heavyweight division. Fury is hyped to an extremity because of his Wilder wins. Exciting yes, high level no. Wilder swings and is agressive, has power but almost no real boxing ability. There is absolutely no excuse to get nearly beat (some call it robbery) by someone who has never had a boxing match and the fighter in question (Fury) isn’t that far removed from their prime.

[them_apples]

Did you miss the part where UFC fighters are tested by USADA year round?

It is totally irrelevant because you claimed Canelo is clean because of the VADA test specifically for Charlo.

Yet Ngannou passed the same tests and you baselessly claim he's on PED's when you have nothing to support that claim except your opinion.

Canelo has more likelihood of being on PED's than Ngannou has yet you push the narrative that he's clean and slate everyone else who fails for PED's.

It's embarrassing.

yeah don’t kid yourself though, UFC fighters are juiced to the gills too. Esp HgH which can be taken off season. I don’t care what anyone says its as clear as day those guys are on the sauce. Canelo absolutely was and IS too. Anyone who doesn’t think Canelo is on gear is totally deluded / unaware

[K--]

MMA is in its infancy. And where as boxing, had a long line of apprenticeships, where there were avenues to learn "tricks" of the trade... Incidentally, when Ju Jutsu was first introduced to the international audience, many texts referred to it as "tricks." Non withstanding that these Arts came from long established systems used by one of the top warrior societies, the Japanese did not want international gazers to see this aspect of these arts. Not until Judo came along, Kano the apologist made sure his teams won and that the arts were defanged so they would be wholesome... And this idea of "tricks" also went along nicely in the sort of jargon for learning the ropes in boxing. And so it was a marriage made in heaven. For their part, the Koryu system heads in Japan, many of whom were Japanese second world war abusers, were content to make sure Japan retained superiority by letting the Anglos think Ju Jutsu was simply an Oriental clever disorganized mass of dirty things one could do to another to gain an advantage in combat.

Alas, boxing has at least a century or so to fight against different systems, in places like the Hawian Islands where a polyglot of Chinese, japanese and native systems of combat flourished in a crucible... MMA matches were customary. Brazil, by comparison had a sopisticated mix of Japanese arts and every wrestling style there was... But boxing never was as big. And it was Brazil that eventually brought MMA to the reckognition of the masses.

But what did Brazil bring? It was only 30 some years ago that the Gracies, who were professional fighters, fighting under the hoax that they were martial artists in the same way, a plumber who did Kempo was, came to America and promoted the UFC. And in that time as other people caught up, only fairly recently do we see things like: "gee when a karate kick is done properly it breaks legs!" Or, "gee there are a limited amount of techniques that are useful in the ring, maybe I should be familiar with all of them!" etc etc etc... Which is to say: We do not quite know yet what the apogee of striking, or any skills will be in MMA. Francis might well be a harbinger of things to come, where the striking is getting better, and/or, more appropriate for a boxing context.

Boxing has had generations to develop. But MMA has evolved very fast... I do think under these circumstances, when You Tubers are fighting professional boxing men, and where professional boxers are doing less and less in the ring, fighting for a good deal as Amatuers, where as once they fought primarily as professionals, mentored and learning the "tricks" of the trade... Boxing may well lose its privaleged position as an elite endevour that is untouchable to the other combat sports. Time will tell!

Posts like this are why I read the forums here (god help me). The event that was Ngannou vs Fury and it's result has brought boxing and MMA closer. Feels like boxing is being considered in a different context, and as a martial art more now than ever. Pretty interesting stuff.

[kara]

Real photo ain't so pretty to look at, either.

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Best uppercut I've seen landed since Rockin was a pro.

[IronDanHamza]

- - Canelo never failed a drug test...duh! Even VADA VIC testified as such, but su****iously U have never submitted of your clenbuterol soaked Hambone for analysis.

Blubber is a certified FAILED Drug Cheat serving a suspension while publicly inhaling insane amounts of liquor and ******* not to mention pies.

Francis humiliated Blubber forever captured in video that has got you squealing like a Deliverance Piggy soundbyte.

I think you’ll find Canelo did fail a drug test you fcking spastic.

[IronDanHamza]

yeah donât kid yourself though, UFC fighters are juiced to the gills too. Esp HgH which can be taken off season. I donât care what anyone says its as clear as day those guys are on the sauce. Canelo absolutely was and IS too. Anyone who doesnât think Canelo is on gear is totally deluded / unaware

I don’t disagree. Most top athletes likely are but we’ll never know for sure unless they test positive.

[Slugfester]

I see that you remain a braying jackass, Dan.

I have never given Canelo a pass. What I sad is that his explanation was believable, as it is in line with the fact that Mexico has a legitimate, known issue with clenbuterol in its cattle industry. And Canelo at least provided a list of 8 restaurants in Mexico he had visited in the weeks prior to his failed test, including the steakhouse Sonora Grill where he was seen having steak with Bill Clinton and Carlos Slim and several others.

This isn’t like the stuff surrounding Conor Benn which you laughably claim was just as plausible. Where there are excuses of contaminated eggs despite the fact that clomiphene use in egg production is prohibited in Britain. And to date no source has been provided where he might have possibly obtained these supposedly tainted eggs.

Two obviously very different levels of believability.

Good reason for a dirty boxer to live in Mexico, isn't it? If I were a dirty boxer I would live in Mexico. Any place they eat wild boars is good too.

[ShoulderRoll]

Good reason for a dirty boxer to live in Mexico, isn't it? If I were a dirty boxer I would live in Mexico. Any place they eat wild boars is good too.

That doesn’t change the believability of his explanation. Based on the known facts his positive tests could very well have come from something like that, meaning he wasn’t dirty intentionally.

He hasn’t tested positive again since. Despite doing VADA testing more frequently than just about anyone else in the sport. And the follow up hair follicle test that many were clamoring for him to take at the time came up negative.

Does that necessarily mean that he wasn’t intentionally cheating the first time? No. But his excuse is plausible which is my entire point.