Does Fury's Performance With Ngannou Affect His Standing?

[IronDanHamza]

That doesn’t change the believability of his explanation. Based on the known facts his positive tests could very well have come from something like that, meaning he wasn’t dirty intentionally.

He hasn’t tested positive again since. Despite doing VADA testing more frequently than just about anyone else in the sport. And the follow up hair follicle test that many were clamoring for him to take at the time came up negative.

Does that necessarily mean that he wasn’t intentionally cheating the first time? No. But his excuse is plausible which is my entire point.

Your entire point is moot you idiot.

Your entire point has no basis because there is zero evidence that his positive test came any of those excuses you’re trying to make for him. Therefore it is in fact the opposite of plausible.

You have the gall to claim Canelo, a proven drug cheat, is “likely clean” now because he’s passed some VADA tests and “hasn’t tested positive since” whilst also saying Ngannou is “assuredly on PEDs” despite being on a USADA programme for years and failing no tests.

[ShoulderRoll]

Your entire point is moot you idiot.

Your entire point has no basis because there is zero evidence that his positive test came any of those excuses you’re trying to make for him. Therefore it is in fact the opposite of plausible.

You have the gall to claim Canelo, a proven drug cheat, is “likely clean” now because he’s passed some VADA tests and “hasn’t tested positive since” whilst also saying Ngannou is “assuredly on PEDs” despite being on a USADA programme for years and failing no tests.

You can’t even admit that Canelo’s explanation is more believable and has more substance to it than Conor Benn’s. So just STFU.

One passed VADA test in Ngannou’s case (after years of being in MMA) is hardly the same as the years of VADA testing Canelo has done. Are you really this ****** that you need every obvious difference explained and spoon fed to you like a child?

[IronDanHamza]

You can’t even admit that Canelo’s explanation is more believable and has more substance to it than Conor Benn’s. So just STFU.

One passed VADA test in Ngannou’s case (after years of being in MMA) is hardly the same as the years of VADA testing Canelo has done. Are you really this ****** that you need every obvious difference explained and spoon fed to you like a child?

Can you read? Ngannou was randomly tested year round by USADA for YEARS. So what the fck are you talking about? He’s then further passed a VADA testing procedure.

So how can you possibly justify Canelo, a drug cheat, being “likely clean” and Ngannou “assuredly” being on PEDs?

Explain how both of those opinions can be held at the same time without being a biased, agenda driven moron like yourself?



As for Canelo and Benn, no I can’t admit that because it’s objectively not true. Both cases have zero evidence to support their claim hence why they plausibility of both is at zero. You can’t grasp that because you have the IQ of a spoon it seems.

[ShoulderRoll]

Can you read? Ngannou was randomly tested year round by USADA for YEARS. So what the fck are you talking about? He’s then further passed a VADA testing procedure.

So how can you possibly justify Canelo, a drug cheat, being “likely clean” and Ngannou “assuredly” being on PEDs?

Explain how both of those opinions can be held at the same time without being a biased, agenda driven moron like yourself?



As for Canelo and Benn, no I can’t admit that because it’s objectively not true. Both cases have zero evidence to support their claim hence why the is not plausibility of both is at zero. You can’t grasp that because you have the IQ of a spoon it seems.

USADA is not VADA. They are not the same. Notice how they are even spelled differently?

Another obvious difference that has to be patiently explained to the spoiled child.

Widespread clenbuterol use in Mexico’s cattle industry is a real issue that actually happens. Making Canelo’s explanation more believable than Conor Benn’s, since clomiphene use in egg production is NOT allowed in Britain. The conditions for the PEDs in question are the exact opposite in the two countries.

[IronDanHamza]

USADA is not VADA. They are not the same. Notice how they are even spelled differently?

Another obvious difference that has to be patiently explained to the spoiled child.

Widespread clenbuterol use in Mexico’s cattle industry is a real issue that actually happens. Making Canelo’s explanation more believable than Conor Benn’s, since clomiphene use in egg production is NOT allowed in Britain. The conditions for the PEDs in question are the exact opposite in the two countries.

Well #1 they’re barely different they both do the same tests in the same WADA lab but regardless they’re both just random drug testing procedures. They’re two of the same.

Ngannou has undergone random drug testing procedures year round for years. Are you now telling me that your stance on that is that isn’t legit? Yet Canelo undergoing VADA testing means he’s “likely clean?” That is your stance? What about Mayweather? Is he clean? Because he also only did USADA testing.

Ok and again, it doesn’t matter how widespread it is. It could be in 100% of all meat, you don’t even know if Canelo even ate meat while he was in Mexico. There is ZERO evidence to connect his failed drug test to tainted meat. Just like there is for Benn and his excuse. Hence why the plausibility of both excuses are the same; Zero.

You give Canelo a pass, laughably call him “likely clean” whilst doing the exact opposite for every other fighter including the likes of Ngannou who has never failed a test despite being randomly tested year round for years now.

It’s such a laughably ridiculous stance it’s sad.

[max baer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2z7CYbjAg0 this is shane fury and i agree with him i always thought the same i said so in my first ever thread i said fury is not at his best if he perceives it easy but if its hard he really goes down a legend. if he wants to fight on i think he now has the fire in his belly if he wants to fight again.

[kara]

I think you’ll find Canelo did fail a drug test you fcking spastic.

Of course WBC changed their rules about fighters testing for low levels of Clem

[QueensburyRules]

Of course WBC changed their rules about fighters testing for low levels of Clem

- - Good chance average American and Mexican Male can’t pass a nano gram VADA screening any more than they can show a negative test for micro fibers in lungs and bloodstream.

HamBone keeps his brains in his Hambone thru his big honker…

[IronDanHamza]

- - Good chance average American and Mexican Male can’t pass a nano gram VADA screening any more than they can show a negative test for micro fibers in lungs and bloodstream.

HamBone keeps his brains in his Hambone thru his big honker…

Irrelevant.

He failed a drug test, plain and simple as day.

[Clegg]

I feel like there have been at least 10 threads now where Shoulder has posted his Canelo propaganda lies and been corrected. Normally he leaves the thread, seemingly defeated. But then the next day he's there in another thread saying the exact same thing. It's weird. We all get attached to fighters, but going to the point is lying on behalf of a stranger, to defend them to some other strangers, seems odd. And I don't have any overall issue with the guy but on this one subject he's way off.

A while back he tried to claim that Canelo-Charlo had VADA testing. I went into detail on how and why he was wrong and so he didn't reply. But then that same week he was back in a different discussion making the same claim that he knew was BS. To spell it out again, Canelo did not have any extra testing at all for his last fight. Huge red flag. His fans constantly tell us that he's such a cash cow he should get every single A side advantage in negations, why won't he just pay for the testing? Fighters who make far less money than Canelo do it. Shoulder knows this, deep down he sees the same truth the rest of us see.

Look at him in this thread "Canelo had years of VADA testing". To refute this for the 50th time, no not really. What Canelo did was use his A side advantage to make sure there was zero testing for a lot of his fights. Guys like Liam Smith and Chavez, who are not even elite fighters, were considered too risky to face without roids. Pathetic. When he wasn't able to get away with this, he made sure that the testing didn't start until after he finished his cycle.

His claim that Canelo passed VADA testing for the Charlo fight is a lie, and he knows it's a lie. There was no extra testing for that fight.

Canelo, like ALL boxers ranked by the WBC, could theoretically be tested by VADA as part of the CBP. However it has been made clear many many times that this program is underfunded and as such does very little testing. Shoulder uses this to try and claim Canelo is being fully tested Whenever somebody tests positive for a VADA test, you'll notice that they were caught because they specifically had extra VADA testing for their fight, not because they were tested as part of the CBP. In fact I challenge Shoulder to name any boxers ever caught due to this program.

The reason Canelo was caught against Golovkin is because, due to public anger over the robbery draw, GBP rushed to make a deal. Oscar wasn't careful enough protecting his cheat. Remember the Lamont Peterson case? He signed up for extra testing too, thinking it would start weeks later. But instead VADA instantly tested him, taking him by surprise, and catching him.

This is how cheats like Canelo and Peterson are caught, because they use the roids at the start of camp and then cycle off before testing starts. Canelo was tested right at the start of camp for the ONLY time in his career and of course, that is the time he returns a positive test. He has avoided testing for most of his fights and started it late for the others. Probably the most blatant cheat in boxing history aside from Big Baby Miller.