Does Fury's Performance With Ngannou Affect His Standing?

[Shadoww702]

I feel like there have been at least 10 threads now where Shoulder has posted his Canelo propaganda lies and been corrected. Normally he leaves the thread, seemingly defeated. But then the next day he's there in another thread saying the exact same thing. It's weird. We all get attached to fighters, but going to the point is lying on behalf of a stranger, to defend them to some other strangers, seems odd. And I don't have any overall issue with the guy but on this one subject he's way off.

A while back he tried to claim that Canelo-Charlo had VADA testing. I went into detail on how and why he was wrong and so he didn't reply. But then that same week he was back in a different discussion making the same claim that he knew was BS. To spell it out again, Canelo did not have any extra testing at all for his last fight. Huge red flag. His fans constantly tell us that he's such a cash cow he should get every single A side advantage in negations, why won't he just pay for the testing? Fighters who make far less money than Canelo do it. Shoulder knows this, deep down he sees the same truth the rest of us see.

Look at him in this thread "Canelo had years of VADA testing". To refute this for the 50th time, no not really. What Canelo did was use his A side advantage to make sure there was zero testing for a lot of his fights. Guys like Liam Smith and Chavez, who are not even elite fighters, were considered too risky to face without roids. Pathetic. When he wasn't able to get away with this, he made sure that the testing didn't start until after he finished his cycle.

His claim that Canelo passed VADA testing for the Charlo fight is a lie, and he knows it's a lie. There was no extra testing for that fight.

Canelo, like ALL boxers ranked by the WBC, could theoretically be tested by VADA as part of the CBP. However it has been made clear many many times that this program is underfunded and as such does very little testing. Shoulder uses this to try and claim Canelo is being fully tested Whenever somebody tests positive for a VADA test, you'll notice that they were caught because they specifically had extra VADA testing for their fight, not because they were tested as part of the CBP. In fact I challenge Shoulder to name any boxers ever caught due to this program.

The reason Canelo was caught against Golovkin is because, due to public anger over the robbery draw, GBP rushed to make a deal. Oscar wasn't careful enough protecting his cheat. Remember the Lamont Peterson case? He signed up for extra testing too, thinking it would start weeks later. But instead VADA instantly tested him, taking him by surprise, and catching him.

This is how cheats like Canelo and Peterson are caught, because they use the roids at the start of camp and then cycle off before testing starts. Canelo was tested right at the start of camp for the ONLY time in his career and of course, that is the time he returns a positive test. He has avoided testing for most of his fights and started it late for the others. Probably the most blatant cheat in boxing history aside from Big Baby Miller.

What do u mean? Canelo and Charlo both were tested....

[Clegg]

What do u mean? Canelo and Charlo both were tested....

If you go on VADA's site you can find a list of who is and isn't signed up. Fights such as Wood-Warrington and Lopez-Gonzales had testing, Canelo-Charlo didn't.

[Shadoww702]

If you go on VADA's site you can find a list of who is and isn't signed up. Fights such as Wood-Warrington and Lopez-Gonzales had testing, Canelo-Charlo didn't.

They both had testing I saw Charlo's testing on video.

[ShoulderRoll]

I feel like there have been at least 10 threads now where Shoulder has posted his Canelo propaganda lies and been corrected. Normally he leaves the thread, seemingly defeated. But then the next day he's there in another thread saying the exact same thing. It's weird. We all get attached to fighters, but going to the point is lying on behalf of a stranger, to defend them to some other strangers, seems odd. And I don't have any overall issue with the guy but on this one subject he's way off.

A while back he tried to claim that Canelo-Charlo had VADA testing. I went into detail on how and why he was wrong and so he didn't reply. But then that same week he was back in a different discussion making the same claim that he knew was BS. To spell it out again, Canelo did not have any extra testing at all for his last fight. Huge red flag. His fans constantly tell us that he's such a cash cow he should get every single A side advantage in negations, why won't he just pay for the testing? Fighters who make far less money than Canelo do it. Shoulder knows this, deep down he sees the same truth the rest of us see.

Look at him in this thread "Canelo had years of VADA testing". To refute this for the 50th time, no not really. What Canelo did was use his A side advantage to make sure there was zero testing for a lot of his fights. Guys like Liam Smith and Chavez, who are not even elite fighters, were considered too risky to face without roids. Pathetic. When he wasn't able to get away with this, he made sure that the testing didn't start until after he finished his cycle.

His claim that Canelo passed VADA testing for the Charlo fight is a lie, and he knows it's a lie. There was no extra testing for that fight.

Canelo, like ALL boxers ranked by the WBC, could theoretically be tested by VADA as part of the CBP. However it has been made clear many many times that this program is underfunded and as such does very little testing. Shoulder uses this to try and claim Canelo is being fully tested Whenever somebody tests positive for a VADA test, you'll notice that they were caught because they specifically had extra VADA testing for their fight, not because they were tested as part of the CBP. In fact I challenge Shoulder to name any boxers ever caught due to this program.

The reason Canelo was caught against Golovkin is because, due to public anger over the robbery draw, GBP rushed to make a deal. Oscar wasn't careful enough protecting his cheat. Remember the Lamont Peterson case? He signed up for extra testing too, thinking it would start weeks later. But instead VADA instantly tested him, taking him by surprise, and catching him.

This is how cheats like Canelo and Peterson are caught, because they use the roids at the start of camp and then cycle off before testing starts. Canelo was tested right at the start of camp for the ONLY time in his career and of course, that is the time he returns a positive test. He has avoided testing for most of his fights and started it late for the others. Probably the most blatant cheat in boxing history aside from Big Baby Miller.

Canelo made himself available for 24/7/365 VADA testing after his positive test and suspension. Outside of that stint of year-round testing he has also repeatedly done VADA for almost every single one of his fights, as per the VADA website. Including for 4 training camps in the space of 12 months when he unified all the 168-lb belts. Where you would be hard pressed to find much of a window where he could be cycling on and off.

Jermell Charlo is on video getting blood drawn from VADA leading up to the Canelo fight.

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These are all facts. Not propaganda lies.

So Canelo is easily the most VADA-tested big name fighter in boxing outside of Nonito Donaire. Certainly more tested than whoever your particular favorite fighter is, who I’m sure you have double standards for and thus never direct anywhere this much venom at for his much inferior drug testing schedule.

[Clegg]

Canelo made himself available for 24/7/365 VADA testing after his positive test and suspension.

For just one year, in response to massive public criticism of him being a drug cheat. Once people started talking about something else he quickly stopped and has never done it again. Why do you think that is? Do you find it coincidental he stopped just before moving up 2 divisions for the Kovalev fight? We saw how Benn used drugs to help him go up 2 divisions recently, so we know that's a likely time to be using. So he stopped doing the extra testing at the same time he was bulking up. just a coincidence though? He also refused testing for the Chavez fight, he was bulking up 9lbs for that one. Another coincidence!

Outside of that stint of year-round testing he has also repeatedly done VADA for almost every single one of his fights, as per the VADA website.

I already listed fights where he refused testing. You ducked that. He wasn't tested for his last fight. He has started testing late for some fights, by which point he had already cycled off.

Including for 4 training camps in the space of 12 months when he unified all the 168-lb belts. Where you would be hard pressed to find much of a window where he could be cycling on and off.

I don't believe you are this ****** dude so this is where it's clear you're just acting like a lawyer and being dishonest. Canelo gave Smith 5 weeks notice for their fight. Testing started less than a month from the fight. You don't think he had time to juice? Canelo is using roids at the start of camp so of course he'd have an opening there. If you remember, the Plant fight was actually pushed back to November because Canelo tried the same tactic, Plant insisted on a full 8 weeks of testing and that's the only reason it happened in November. So in 2 of his 3 SMW title wins, there was an issue with testing, and this is the time period that you are giving him all the praise for?

Let's say Canelo did 8 weeks of testing for BJS and Plant. 4 weeks for Smith. You understand there are 52 weeks in a year and therefore he would have 32 weeks left to cheat. "Hard pressed to find much of a window"? 32 weeks is long enough.

What I find sad is that you already know all of this. You were just hoping nobody else pays attention or has a functioning memory.

So Canelo is easily the most VADA-tested big name fighter in boxing outside of Nonito Donaire. Certainly more tested than whoever your particular favorite fighter is, who I’m sure you have double standards for and thus never direct anywhere this much venom at for his much inferior drug testing schedule.

Canelo is the biggest name in the sport and as his fans always remind people, he gets the A side advantages, he makes the decisions. His decision for several fights has been to not have testing and you still haven't addressed this. Considering that Canelo was caught roiding in the past, he should be tested more, not less.

You say Canelo was tested more than anybody. You say he was tested more than my favourite fighter. Well ok let's see, one of my favourites right now is Shakur. Let's check his recent career:

Upcoming fight with de la Santos: Full VADA testing
Fight with Yoshino: Full VADA testing
Fight with Robson: Full VADA testing
Fight with Valdez: Full VADA testing
Fight with Herring: Full VADA testing

So not so sure Canelo is being more tested than anybody like you claim. Also, Stevenson is the only guy I took the time to search up on. So probably are even more who did VADA for all recent fights if I looked, certainly that's better than Canelo who refused testing for his last fight.

I don't have venom towards Canelo. You don't see me calling him a coward or bitch or anything like that. I'm not going out of my way to create multiple threads on the guy.

I'm sure a lot of boxers cheat, the sport is beyond broken, everyone should be tested all year, same way as in other major sports. But I criticise Canelo and Fury more because they are the 2 elite fighters who have been caught cheating before. If they want fans to believe their future wins are clean, they should be doing 365 testing for the rest of their careers. But despite earning huge money, neither will pay for the testing because both are still roiding. Pretending otherwise is dishonest.

[Clegg]

They both had testing I saw Charlo's testing on video.

Being tested just once is not the same as having full testing. There is no evidence that Canelo was tested by VADA. Check the VADA website. Guys like Wood, Warrington, Lopez, Gonzalez had full testing, Canelo did not. Weird because his fight was bigger and he earned more.

There is one video showing Charlo being tested. This doesn't prove that the fight had full testing. After facing Castano the first time, Charlo actually went into detail saying that the WBC CBP was very weak, not protecting fighters, and that they only test once per fight. So the fact that Charlo was also tested once for this fight proves nothing.

[Shadoww702]

Being tested just once is not the same as having full testing. There is no evidence that Canelo was tested by VADA. Check the VADA website. Guys like Wood, Warrington, Lopez, Gonzalez had full testing, Canelo did not. Weird because his fight was bigger and he earned more.

There is one video showing Charlo being tested. This doesn't prove that the fight had full testing. After facing Castano the first time, Charlo actually went into detail saying that the WBC CBP was very weak, not protecting fighters, and that they only test once per fight. So the fact that Charlo was also tested once for this fight proves nothing.

Both were tested and it was random. Are u drunk???

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[Shadoww702]

I just went on VADA and Canelo was right there....

[Clegg]

Both were tested and it was random. Are u drunk???

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That says vs John Ryder, not Charlo. Are you drunk? Or smoking better weed than me?

[IronDanHamza]

Canelo made himself available for 24/7/365 VADA testing after his positive test and suspension. Outside of that stint of year-round testing he has also repeatedly done VADA for almost every single one of his fights, as per the VADA website. Including for 4 training camps in the space of 12 months when he unified all the 168-lb belts. Where you would be hard pressed to find much of a window where he could be cycling on and off.

Jermell Charlo is on video getting blood drawn from VADA leading up to the Canelo fight.

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These are all facts. Not propaganda lies.

So Canelo is easily the most VADA-tested big name fighter in boxing outside of Nonito Donaire. Certainly more tested than whoever your particular favorite fighter is, who I’m sure you have double standards for and thus never direct anywhere this much venom at for his much inferior drug testing schedule.

This guy has the audacity to bring up double standards

Please tell me more about how VADA testing is legitimate enough to consider someone “likely clean” and year round USADA testing isn’t.

Please tell me more how Canelo a proven drug cheat is “likely clean” compared to Ngannou who is “assuredly on PEDs”?