Did Sugar Ray Robinson avoid the black murder's row?

[Ivich]

We have many lower raked fighters to choose form! List all the purses of all fighter's he fought, and I can easily name when Robinson should have fought them instead. Your move.

I am two steps away from checkmating you ...again for the fifteenth time.

Or you can avoid the question all together, another way of saying I surrender.

Produce a name Robinson chose to fight who was lower ranked than them when Robinson had not already beaten those ranked above them .The only time Robinson was ranked with any of the Row was in1941 and 1942
1941Robinson fought the number 3 Zivic

Burley was no5
Williams no6
Cocoa Kid no7

1942

Cocoa Kid was the only one of the Row ranked at no7.
Robinson fought Zivic no3 .
No members of the Row were ranked from then on in any division whilst Robinson was.

[Ivich]

We have many lower raked fighters to choose form! List all the purses of all fighter's he fought, and I can easily name when Robinson should have fought them instead. Your move."

I am two steps away from checkmating you ...again for the fifteenth time.

Or you can avoid the question all together, another way of saying I surrender.

"List all the fighter's he fought, and I can easily name when Robinson should have fought them instead. Your move."
Now's your chance! Do so!

I've already named whom he fought. post whom he should have fought instead!
You said you could do it easily.
Well Do It!
Give us the years Robinson should have fought them instead of those he did?
The ball is in your court Donald.

Check Mate? You're not even on the board!

[Dr. Z]

"List all the fighter's he fought, and I can easily name when Robinson should have fought them instead. Your move."

Give us the years Robinson should have fought them instead of those he did?

I said Archie Moore and the black murders row, which were as good or better than 95% of the fighters Robinson fought. You know this and would dare move this point into its own thread. Try it. You are losing badly.

CHECK.

[Ivich]

I said Archie Moore and the black murders row, which were as good or better than 95% of the fighters Robinson fought. You know this and would dare move this point into its own thread. Try it. You are losing badly.

CHECK.

DATES. WHEN SHOULD ROBINSON HAVE FOUGHT THEM?
Specifically what year should Robinson have fought Moore?When should he have fought

When should Robinson have fought Chase?
When should he have fought Williams?
When should he have fought Lytell?
When should he have fought Bolden?
When should he have fought Booker?
Give us the years?

You said you could name them easily. DO SO!
If they were better than the men Robinson fought when he became a ranked middleweight in1951 why were they not ranked in the top ten like the men Robinson was fighting and beating then?

NO MURDERERS ROW WERE RANKED AT MIDDLEWEIGHT AFTER 1948

Here's your big chance to prove your point once and for all!
Come on Donald, Let's have your answer?

[Dr. Z]

DATES. WHEN SHOULD ROBINSON HAVE FOUGHT THEM?
Specifically what year should Robinson have fought Moore?When should he have fought

When should Robinson have fought Chase?
When should he have fought Williams?
When should he have fought Lytell?
When should he have fought Bolden?
When should he have fought Booker?
Give us the years?

You said you could name them easily. DO SO!
If they were better than the men Robinson fought when he became a ranked middleweight in1951 why were they not ranked in the top ten like the men Robinson was fighting and beating then?

NO MURDERERS ROW WERE RANKED AT MIDDLEWEIGHT AFTER 1948

Here's your big chance to prove your point once and for all!
Lets have your answer?

Stop tying to the misleading the board. The black murders row where ranked as early as 1939 in Ring Magazine's Ranking's. You dishonest fool.

He definitely should have fought Moore and Burley in the 1940's. Willams was also ranked in 1940. As was Coco Kid.


https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_1940

We have many lower raked fighters to choose form! List all the purses of all fighter's he fought, and I can easily name when Robinson should have fought them instead.

CHECK MATE.

By the way my quote offer stands.

Now try you best to change the topic or reply to something else that I'm not making points on.

[Ivich]

Stop tying the misleading the board. The black murders row where ranked as early as 1939 in Ring Magazine's Ranking's. You dishonest fool.

He definitely should have fought Moore and Burley in the 1940's. Willams was also ranked in 1940. As was Coco Kid.


https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_1940





CHECK MATE.

By the way my quote offer stands.

Now try you best to change the topic or reply to something else that I'm not making points on.

The Murderers Row being ranked in1939 is irrelevant to the discussion Robinson did not tum pro until1940 and he was then a light weight!

FYI some of the Row were ranked as early as 1936!
Cocoa Kid was no7. That year
In 1937
Williams was no 6
Cocoa Kid no7

In1938 Burley was no 3

WHEN IN THE 40's SHOULD ROBINSON HAVE FOUGHT BURLEY AND MOORE GIVE ME SPECIFIC YEARS?

You aren't making points about anything, you're just making sweeping unsubstantiated statements with no specific dates attached to them!

Now Donald , give me these easily found facts ?

[Ivich]

Stop tying to the misleading the board. The black murders row where ranked as early as 1939 in Ring Magazine's Ranking's. You dishonest fool.

He definitely should have fought Moore and Burley in the 1940's. Willams was also ranked in 1940. As was Coco Kid.


https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_1940





CHECK MATE.

By the way my quote offer stands.

Now try you best to change the topic or reply to something else that I'm not making points on.

Yes Williams and the Kid were ranked as welter weights in1940
Nineteen years old Robinson did not turn pro until the 4th October of that year .He also never weighed over135lbs that year but according to you,he should have fought two top ten ranked welters that year? Its a good job you are not a boxing manager!

Now have another try,have as many as you like.
Give us individual years Robinson should have fought these guys? Its your thread Donald,time for you to own it!

[Dr. Z]

Yes Williams and the Kid were ranked as welter weights in1940
Nineteen years old Robinson did not turn pro until the 4th October of that year .He also never weighed over135lbs that year but according to you,he should have fought two top ten ranked welters that year? Its a good job you are not a boxing manager!

Now have another try,have as many as you like.
Give us individual years Robinson should have fought these guys? Its your thread Donald,time for you to own it!

I told you the black murder row and Archie Moore were better than 95 % of Robison opponents. I was pointing out the they ranked while Robison was active. Yet he did not fight any of these men! Hence he avoided them.

[Ivich]

I told you the black murder row and Archie Moore were better than 95 % of Robison opponents. I was pointing out the they ranked while Robison was active. Yet he did not fight any of these men! Hence he avoided them.

Stop ducking my question!

Specifically what year should Robinson have fought Moore?
Moore began fighting Light heavyweights in1944
In1945 he was the number 1 ranked Lhvy
In1944 Robinson was stIll 2 years away from winning the Welterweight title .
In1944 Moore was a ranked Light heavyweight,Robinson did not win the Welterweight title until October of that year!
When should Robinson have fought Chase?
In1946 Chase was the number 4 ranked Light heavyweight.Robinson did not win the Welterweight title until October of that year . Chase retired in1948

In 1945, a full year before Robinson won the welter weight title.Moore was the number 1 ranked Light heavyweight
When should he have fought Williams?Williams retired in1948

When should he have fought Lytell? Lytell retired in1951

When should he have fought Bolden? Bolden was ranked no6 at Lightheavy in1945, a year before Robinson won the welterweight title. Bolden retired in1948

When should he have fought Booker?
In1943 Booker was no 3 at light heavyweight.Booker retired in 1944
Give us the years Robinson should have fought these men ?

Read this next part below carefully.
AFTER 1943 NONE OF THE ROW WERE RANKED AT WELTERWEIGHT.
AFTER 1948 NONE OF THE ROW WERE RANKED AT MIDDLEWEIGHT.


Robinson was also better than 95% of the men Moore fought so what?

Robinson v Tommy Bell for the vacant Welterweight title.
"Though it was a Championship fight Sugar did not earn as much money as he would have against a top white challenger"
"Robinson fought one white after another Olson,Pender,Fullmer,Lamotta,Basilio.
The promoters rarely offered remotely the same money for bouts against equally tough black opponents." David Remnick . Please tell me you have heard of him! "Pound For Pound" By Herb Boyd and Ray Robinson Jnr.
Your suggestion that Robinson was afraid of The Row is absurd.
None were ranked when he was a Middleweight and none were ranked at Welter after1947 and that was only Cocoa Kid ,and Robinson beat the two men ranked above the Kid.Armstrong, and Wilson and Wilson beat the Kid twice.

Now stop avoiding the question Donald ,give me the specific years Robinson should have fought these names?
For once in your life step up to the plate!
Quite frankly Donald , it amazes me you would make thread about a subject of which you know so very little ,but that's you I suppose!

The paradox here is you have constantly attempted to tear down the reputations of:
Johnson
Dempsey
Louis
Lewis
And now Robinson
The only fighters you consistently praise are.
Jeffries a serial ducker of his black challengers.
And the Klit Bros, two cherry pickers.

Donald , I'm glad you made this thread it has prompted me to revisit several books and refresh my memory about Robinson and The Row,it has also exposed your own extreme chronological ignorance of those times and the men that were involved in them.
Most Gratifying !

[Dr. Z]

Tony " Ivich " Mvcey.

Are you saying that Archie Moore and the black murderers row should not have been ranked from 1940-1950? Outside of a few exceptions? ?

Why can't you answer my questions?

Are you still "pig sick "

I see you are exiting this conversation by inserting different fighters from different eras into this thread.

I told you the black murder row and Archie Moore were better than 95 % of Robison opponents. I was pointing out the they ranked while Robison was active. Yet he did not fight any of these men! Hence he avoided them.