Did Sugar Ray Robinson avoid the black murder's row?

[Dr. Z]

@ Tony " Ivich " Mcvey,




Ray didn't fight a middle weight until 1942. Before you were blaming that there was no fight due to Robinson wanting most of the purse. Really? Any link to this? Of course you don't have it!

Let say that happened. 1 ) The fight could have been made then! 2 ) Robinson vs. Moore would have been a very big gate! I use you own words to defeat you.

[Ivich]

@ Tony " Ivich " Mcvey,




Ray didn't fight a middle weight until 1942. Before you were blaming that there was no fight due to Robinson wanting most of the purse. Really? Any link to this? Of course you don't have it!

Let say that happened. 1 ) The fight could have been made then! 2 ) Robinson vs. Moore would have been a very big gate! I use you own words to defeat you.

You think Robinson should have fought Moore in1942?
Let's look at that.
In1942 Robinson had just moved into the number 1 spot as welterweight challenger for Cochrane's title. Moore was the number 1 challenger for Zale's middleweight title. Why would Robinson feel obliged to fight Moore?
In the early40's Moore was making pea nuts for fights so poor were his prospects he went to Australia in 1940 to get bouts, why do you think him fighting Ray would have been a big draw?

"A very big gate"
In 1941 after fighting Eddie Booker. Moore's manager ,Felix Thurmond sold his contract to Jack Ross for $250! Source" In This Corner" ,taped interview


In 42 Moore was fighting out of his home town of San Diego, it would be years before he saw the big time and the big money.
Where was the financial incentive for the 21 years old welterweight Robinson to give15/17 lbs to the number one middleweight who couldn't draw flies in his own home town?

Robinson had already fought in MSG 5 times and the Polo Grounds.it would be years before Moore cracked NY what did Moore bring to the table?

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Of course Ray would have wanted the lions share had a fight ever been proposed between him and Moore in 42 which it never was . He was the draw!

Name another 21 years old welterweight who has ever been castigated and called frightened for not fighting the 30 years old number 1 middleweight?
Try and come up with a more credible date!

[Willie Pep 229]

A fight that SRR canceled was with Wilfie Greavas in October 1959, for a November 1959 go.

New York Times October 17th 1959

He then fought Greavas in September 1961. W by SD.

There is, if my memory is correct, a different fight where SRR canceled while sitting in the dressing room just moments before the bout. But I need to refind that article.

But anyway maybe Iron Dan meant the Greavas fight.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - End of the day nobody wanted to see him fight black bums, so he got paid very well to beat up white bums that both white and black fans loved.

U be one of them BUMs back in the day save being cursed being a 3rd millennium BUM…

Nobody wanted to waste their time with Burley. His gate numbers were not bad, they were dismal.

As Ivich says, this is a business. People always think fighters duck other fighters because they're scared. That is such nonsense, from people who don't actually study the fight game outside the ring.

[Ivich]

A fight that SRR canceled was with Wilfie Greavas in October 1959, for a November 1959 go.

New York Times October 17th 1959

He then fought Greavas in September 1961. W by SD.

There is, if my memory is correct, a different fight where SRR canceled while sitting in the dressing room just moments before the bout. But I need to refind that article.

But anyway maybe Iron Dan meant the Greavas fight.

Possibly, but how hard would it have been for him to have checked first?
As to Burley, Robinson entered the Welterweight ratings at the end of 1941,and Burley left them.
Burley couldn't draw flies to dog ****,why would Robinson fight him?

[Dr. Z]

Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post
@ Tony " Ivich " Mcvey,




Ray didn't fight a middle weight until 1942. Before you were blaming that there was no fight due to Robinson wanting most of the purse. Really? Any link to this? Of course you don't have it!

Let say that happened. 1 ) The fight could have been made then! 2 ) Robinson vs. Moore would have been a very big gate! I use you own words to defeat you.


Dr. Z

You think Robinson should have fought Moore in1942?
Let's look at that.
In1942 Robinson had just moved into the number 1 spot as welterweight challenger for Cochrane's title. Moore was the number 1 challenger for Zale's middleweight title. Why would Robinson feel obliged to fight Moore?
In the early40's Moore was making pea nuts for fights so poor were his prospects he went to Australia in 1940 to get bouts, why do you think him fighting Ray would have been a big draw?

"A very big gate"
In 1941 after fighting Eddie Booker. Moore's manager sold his contract for$250! Source" In This Corner" ,taped interview


In 42 Moore was fighting out of his home town of San Diego, it would be years before he saw the big time and the big money.
Where was the financial incentive for the 21 years old welterweight Robinson to give15/17 lbs to the number one middleweight who couldn't draw flies in his own home town?

Robinson had already fought in MSG 5 times and the Polo Grounds.it would be years before Moore cracked NY what did Moore bring to the table?

.
Of course Ray would have wanted the lions share had a fight ever been proposed between him and Moore in 42 which it never was . He was the draw!

Name another 21 years old welterweight who has ever been castigated and called frightened for not fighting the 30 years old number 1 middleweight?
Try and come up with a more credible date!

Moving the goalposts and changing the pamatiers again? After that is what you do best then inserting meanginess garbage. I told you Sugar Ray could have fought Moore. They went to dinner to discuss it, remember? That is written on this board.




You really are a special kind of ******. I mostly reply to you when I need a good laugh.

[Dr. Z]

Possibly, but how hard would it have been for him to have checked first?
As to Burley, Robinson entered the Welterweight ratings at the end of 1941,and Burley left them.
Burley couldn't draw flies to dog ****,why would Robinson fight him?

Robison want to part of Burley!

[Ivich]

Moving the goalposts and changing the pamatiers again? After that is what you do best then inserting meanginess garbage. I told you Sugar Ray could have fought Moore. They went to dinner to discuss it, remember? That is written on this board.




You really are a special kind of ******. I mostly reply to you when I need a good laugh.

Nope YOU moved the gaol posts from 1940 to 1943 and now back to 1942!
Here is a similar scenario for you ponder, do try and comprehend it
In1995 Felix Trinidad 22 years old was the number 1 challenger for the welterweight title.
The number 1 challenger for the middleweight title was Gerald McClellan.
Would it have made sound business sense for Trinidad to have fought McClellan then?
Why is it encumbent on a top challenger for the welterweight title to take on the top challenger for the middleweight title?
A middleweight challenger who was ducked by Zale,Lesnevich,Mills and Maxim for years.
Moore made dirt before he finally got Maxim into a ring, and he had to pay him money to get his chance, fighting for nothing himself!
That's how big a draw Archie was!
Yes Robinson and Moore had dinner to discuss a possible fight, that was in1959! Ray was 38 Archie 47! LOL

PAMATIERS? MEANINGNESS? And I'm the ****** one? My dogs are smarter than you! LOL

[GhostofDempsey]

Oh, you have emerged from your hole!
Provide chronological proof he did.Its that simple!
When should he have fought them?

COME ON MAN UP AND GIVE US DATES!

For example, Hamza said he ducked Cocoa Kid,look at my post and see how ridiculous that assertion is! TALK IS CHEAP.

FYI . BASORA & WADE were members of the ROW. Robinson beat them both!

Here is 5 you can rule out...!

From 1940 Marshall was top ten ranked at Light heavy.

From 1942 Bolden was top ten ranked at Light heavy..

From1943 Booker was top ten ranked at Light heavy.

From1946 Moore was top ten ranked at Light heavy.

From1946 Chase was top ten ranked at Light heavy.

Unless you think Robinson a light weight and welterweight during those years
should have taken top ten ranked light heavies on?
Come on,don't be shy,give us the benefit of the books and research you have done on this!

You keep going on about who else he fought during the early 1940s. The fact is he avoided guys like Burley, Williams, Marshall and a few others throughout the late 1940s. I like Robinson, he's an ATG, but even your superman has a few kinks in his armor.

[GhostofDempsey]

Moving the goalposts and changing the pamatiers again? After that is what you do best then inserting meanginess garbage. I told you Sugar Ray could have fought Moore. They went to dinner to discuss it, remember? That is written on this board.




You really are a special kind of ******. I mostly reply to you when I need a good laugh.

Notice he's only talking about Robinson of the early 1940s. He skipped an entire second half of the decade of his career.