Vitali Klitschko, the last great heavyweight

[them_apples]

This post is actually not about their resumes. I actually can't compare the 2 because its one era I have sort of skipped over. This post is from my personal opinion of watching them, Vitali seems like a vastly superior fighter in terms of capability. Competition may play a role in how we are viewing them.

Vitali's skillset and even attributes seem to be so much better.

[IronDanHamza]

No! you are just thick as a brick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9bk...ateThePatriots

No what? What are you saying no to, you retarded clown?

[Dr. Z]

It's impassioned, your case. Even compelling. I'd framed Vitali in the thread appropreately, I thought at least. It's a clean resume. One of the most clean anyone ever had who lived so close to the top of his division so long. And that is it's strength. Its a good kind of strength. A unique kind if strength. But does the resume lack anything at all, in your esteemed opinion?
Not a show stopper if it does lack something, right? Most of them lack something if you burrow enough right?

How about extended tenure as the worlds no. 1?
How about a clean win over his eras #2?
Maybe the ability to match his own brother's list of quality scalps would make the difference?
Maybe a win over his brother, or one of the greats of the eras that bookend his, such as a W in his challenge to aging Lennox Lewis?

The rub here, in short, and taking say, a comparison to Tyson Fury, is that it takes a boatload of Herbie Hides, Larry Donalds, Samuel Peters to equal one Deontay Wilder. Quantitatively, Fury has passed Vitali by a long time ago.

Humble oneself to advance, or remain. Its a free counry. (***Being provoactive and a little arrogant here, Lol***).

I can give that a mild thumbs up overall expect for the part that a hyped Wilder passed Vital's resume a long time ago.Vitali is 8-2 vs top ten ring magazine contends, Wilder is what? 2-2-1? Yeah real impressive. And we both know the draw was suspect and should be a loss. Who did Wilder beat, who?!

[billeau2]

No what? What are you saying no to, you retarded clown?

Bye Bye Dan you know the script? this is where I tell you to go f uck yourself, have the last word and continue the Toney hate

[JAB5239]

Your right, you can pick holes in just about anyone's resume. Many fighters that you listed lost a lot of matches to non-all time greats, men who were far less than Lennox Lewis who by the way offer a re-match to Vitali, yet he balked in the end. I could list everyones bad performances... all if them. What would Lewis resume look like if McCall and Rhaman controlled by Don King didn't offer Lewis a re-match?

You come off as a hater unwilling to hold everyone to the same standard. We all know he was up 8-3 and 6-4 on points in fights that the lost due to a torn shoulder and a doctor order to halt a match on cuts. You continue to hold that against him, but did you know that Sugar Ray Robinson retired on his stool and Harry Greb quickly retired in a fight when he was injured? Suddenly Vitali doesn't look so bad next to boxing pound per pound all time greats! Probably not, but it is true.

And please Fury barely has a resume now. It's not greater than Vitali's. Maybe he'll have a better one when he retires. Maybe it will be worse.

First off, you asked for 15 names. I gave you more. Second, I never mentioned the Byrd quittage in this thread, you just brought it up. Third, a doctor did not stop the fight, Vits quit on his stool. And lastly.....do you really want to compare the resumes of Robinson and Greb against either Klitschko? This has nothing do do with being a hater, but rather a realist. His resume is junk. He was a tough guys. Probably would have beaten most of the guys he never fought. But the fact is he left the best fights for Wlad.

I'd rather be a realist than a nuthugger.

[Dr. Z]

First off, you asked for 15 names. I gave you more. Second, I never mentioned the Byrd quittage in this thread, you just brought it up. Third, a doctor did not stop the fight, Vits quit on his stool. And lastly.....do you really want to compare the resumes of Robinson and Greb against either Klitschko? This has nothing do do with being a hater, but rather a realist. His resume is junk. He was a tough guys. Probably would have beaten most of the guys he never fought. But the fact is he left the best fights for Wlad.

I'd rather be a realist than a nuthugger.

I am stating who quit. Some of your names I could blow out of the water, but I don't have that much time. Vitali beat the guys who beat Wlad if we are being honest. Try being a realist.

[JAB5239]

I am stating who quit. Some of your names I could blow out of the water, but I don't have that much time. Vitali beat the guys who beat Wlad if we are being honest. Try being a realist.

That era was terrible and he let Wlad fight all the best names. That he beat Puritty and Sanders means little. Sanders had one top 10 win during his whole career. Puritty none. Vits quit against Byrd, not a doctors stoppage as you tried claiming and he never tried to rematch him even though they were both closely rated near one another for several years. You wanted 15 fighters with better resumes than Vits, I gave it to you. You will blow them out of the water? Go ahead. You still won't change the fact all of them fought and beat more highly rated fighters.....more accomplished fighter judging by resume than good Ole Vitaly.

[Dr. Z]

That era was terrible and he let Wlad fight all the best names. That he beat Puritty and Sanders means little. Sanders had one top 10 win during his whole career. Puritty none. Vits quit against Byrd, not a doctors stoppage as you tried claiming and he never tried to rematch him even though they were both closely rated near one another for several years. You wanted 15 fighters with better resumes than Vits, I gave it to you. You will blow them out of the water? Go ahead. You still won't change the fact all of them fought and beat more highly rated fighters.....more accomplished fighter judging by resume than good Ole Vitaly.

Who beat better heavyweights since he retired? His brother perhaps yet Vitali dominated two guys who beat Vlad, and bounced another in Sam Peter that gave him trouble.

You will struggle to name 10 fighters who beat more ring magazine rated guys at heavyweight. I challenge you to name them! Are you going to run away from that? Come one hater you have nearly 100 years of history.

[JAB5239]

Who beat better heavyweights since he retired? His brother perhaps yet Vitali dominated two guys who beat Vlad, and bounced another in Sam Peter that gave him trouble.

You will struggle to name 10 fighters who beat more ring magazine rated guys at heavyweight. I challenge you to name them! Are you going to run away from that? Come one hater you have nearly 100 years of history.

I have to be at my lawyers office shortly, and than to work. But I will gladly accept this challenge. Would you like to make a wager on it as well?

[Willow The Wisp]

Iron CHIN My FOOT!

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Aproximately where I place him from the last half century, 1973 - 2023. Any higher just doesn't square with the facts. I feel no. 11 is generous enough:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. Mike Tyson
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7.Tyson Fury
8. Joe Frazier
9. Deontay Wilder
10. Evander Holyfield
11.Vitali Klitschko
12.Anthony Joshua
13.Ken Norton
14.Rid**** Bowe
15.Jerry Quarry
16.Jimmy Young
17.Ron Lyle
18.Earnie Shavers
19.Jimmy Ellis
20.Tim Witherspoon
21.Gerry Cooney
22.Mike Weaver
23.Gerrie Coetzee
24.Joe Bugner
25.Andy Ruiz Jr.