Some who've actually seen em' are calling Tyson Fury the best ever.

[Willow The Wisp]

- - Already greater and vastly richer than Ali who at age 33 was busy ducking the major $$$ rematch with Foreman in Indonesia to get further beat up by clubfighter Wepner in rural Ohio for peanuts.

You with a fetish for blatant duckers and quackers getting beat up for peanuts resulting in lifelong brain damage, you being "virtual" masochistic I'd say.

There are several estimates available on line.
These are the ranges for current net worth.
Is this a direct indication of fighter skills and accomplishments though?

Floyd Mayweather 450 M-1.2 B
George Foreman 300-360 M
Oscar De La Hoya 200-220 M
Manny Pacquiao 190-210 M
Canelo Alvarez 180-205 M
Lennox Lewis 140-150 M
Sugar Ray Leonard 120-130 M
Connor McGregor 100-110 M
Tyson Fury 80-86 M
Vitali Klitschko 80-85 M
Anthony Joshua 60-80 M
Wladimir Klitschko 60-70 M
Willie DeWit. 60-65 M
Oleksandr Usyk. 52-55 M
Muhammad Ali 50-60 M (Dead)
Marvin Hagler. 45-55 M. (Dead)
Bernard Hopkins 40-45 M
Ricky Hatton 40-43 M
Deontay Wilder 30-40 M
Amir Khan 30-40 M
Jose Pipino Cuevas 30-40 M
Gennady Golovkin 30-40 M
Naseem Hamed. 33-35 M
Felix Trinidad. 30-35 M
Andre Berto 30-35 M
Anthony Mundine. 30-32 M
Miguel Cotto. 25-30 M
Freddie Roach 20-25 M
David Haye 20-23 M
Juan Manuel Marquez 20-22 M
Carl Froch 20-22 M
Nigel Benn 20-22 M
Sonny Bill Williams. 20-21 M
Larry Holmes. 18-23 M
Antonio Margarito 15-18 M
David Diaz 15-16 M
Mike Tyson 10-17 M
Shannon Briggs 10 -15 M
Buster Douglas 10-15 M
Frank Bruno 10-14 M
Laila Ali. 10-14 M
Jake LaMotta 10-13 M. (Dead)
Sergio Martinez 10-12 M
Julio César Chavez 10-12 M
Andy Ruiz Jr 10-12 m
Joe Calzaghe 10-12 M
Tim Bradley 10-12 M
Steve Collins. 10-12 M
Ryan Garcia 10-12 M
Daniel Jacobs 10-11 M
Joshua Clottey. 10-11 M
Regilio Tuur. 10-11 M
Luis Ortiz 8-11 M
Andre Ward 8-10 M
Terrence Crawford 8-10 M
Vasiliy Lomachenko 8-10 M
Shane Mosley 8-10 M
Zab Judah 8-10 M
Kubrat Pulev 8-10 M
Danny Garcia. 8-10 M
Winky Wright 8-9 M
Error Spence Jr 7-10 M
Roy Jones Jr 7-9 M
Dillian Whyte 7-9 M
Victor Ortiz 7-8 M
Barry McGuigan 7-8 M
Anderson Silva 7-8 M
Kelly Pavlik 6-7 M
Jeff Horn. 6-7 M
Henry Milligan 6-7 M
Floyd Mayweather Sr 5-6 M
Michael Spinks. 5-8
Gervonta Davis 5-8 M
Ray Mancini 5-7 M
Adrien Broner 5-7 M
Shawn Porter 5-7 M
Naoya Inoue 5-7 M
Paulie Malignaggi 5-6 M
Nonito Donaire 5-6 M
Danny Green. 5-6 M
Audley Harrison 5-6 M
Robert Guerrero 5-6 M
Mikey Garcia 4-5 M
Jeff Fenech. 4-5 M
Chad Dawson 4-5 M
Marco Antonio Barrera 4-5 M
Brandon Rios. 4-5 M
Julio César Chavez Jr 4-5 M
Roberto Duran 3-5 M
Gerry Cooney 3-5 M
Carlos Zarate 3-5 M
Gerrie Coetzee. 3-5 M
Chris Arreola 3-4 M
Jermall Charlo 3-4 M
Anthoney Peterson. 3-4 M
Erik Morales 3-4 M
Derrick Chisora 3-4 M
George Chuvalo 2-3 M
Kostya Tszyu. 2-3 M
Mark Breland. 2-3 M
Mikkel Kessler 2-3 M
Azumah Nelson 2-3 M
James Buddy McGirt. 2-3 M
Joe Mesi. 2-3 M
Tony Thompson 2-3 M

(Many show a net worth between 350K and 2.9 M).

[Willow The Wisp]

Issue is he has fought no one that would allow him to make a top ten ATG list let alone number one.

We all know Wilder can’t fight his way out of a paper bag. Huge right hand puncher yes but do was Shavers and nobody holds Earnie in that high of esteem.

Let Fury beat Usyk, he won’t, and then beat AJ and a few other top rated contenders. Then let’s talk. To me Fury is a huge but overweight heavyweight with an awkward, near comical, style.

That we see things very differently about all of that is the kindest way I can put it.

[JAB5239]

There are several estimates available on line.
These are the ranges for current net worth.
Is this a direct indication of fighter skills and accomplishments though?

Floyd Mayweather 450 M-1.2 B
George Foreman 300-360 M
Oscar De La Hoya 200-220 M
Manny Pacquiao 190-210 M
Canelo Alvarez 180-205 M
Lennox Lewis 140-150 M
Sugar Ray Leonard 120-130 M
Connor McGregor 100-110 M
Tyson Fury 80-86 M
Vitali Klitschko 80-85 M
Anthony Joshua 60-80 M
Wladimir Klitschko 60-70 M
Willie DeWit. 60-65 M
Oleksandr Usyk. 52-55 M
Muhammad Ali 50-60 M (Dead)
Marvin Hagler. 45-55 M. (Dead)
Bernard Hopkins 40-45 M
Ricky Hatton 40-43 M
Deontay Wilder 30-40 M
Amir Khan 30-40 M
Jose Pipino Cuevas 30-40 M
Gennady Golovkin 30-40 M
Naseem Hamed. 33-35 M
Felix Trinidad. 30-35 M
Andre Berto 30-35 M
Anthony Mundine. 30-32 M
Miguel Cotto. 25-30 M
Freddie Roach 20-25 M
David Haye 20-23 M
Juan Manuel Marquez 20-22 M
Carl Froch 20-22 M
Nigel Benn 20-22 M
Sonny Bill Williams. 20-21 M
Larry Holmes. 18-23 M
Antonio Margarito 15-18 M
David Diaz 15-16 M
Mike Tyson 10-17 M
Shannon Briggs 10 -15 M
Buster Douglas 10-15 M
Frank Bruno 10-14 M
Laila Ali. 10-14 M
Jake LaMotta 10-13 M. (Dead)
Sergio Martinez 10-12 M
Julio César Chavez 10-12 M
Andy Ruiz Jr 10-12 m
Joe Calzaghe 10-12 M
Tim Bradley 10-12 M
Steve Collins. 10-12 M
Ryan Garcia 10-12 M
Daniel Jacobs 10-11 M
Joshua Clottey. 10-11 M
Regilio Tuur. 10-11 M
Luis Ortiz 8-11 M
Andre Ward 8-10 M
Terrence Crawford 8-10 M
Vasiliy Lomachenko 8-10 M
Shane Mosley 8-10 M
Zab Judah 8-10 M
Kubrat Pulev 8-10 M
Danny Garcia. 8-10 M
Winky Wright 8-9 M
Error Spence Jr 7-10 M
Roy Jones Jr 7-9 M
Dillian Whyte 7-9 M
Victor Ortiz 7-8 M
Barry McGuigan 7-8 M
Anderson Silva 7-8 M
Kelly Pavlik 6-7 M
Jeff Horn. 6-7 M
Henry Milligan 6-7 M
Floyd Mayweather Sr 5-6 M
Michael Spinks. 5-8
Gervonta Davis 5-8 M
Ray Mancini 5-7 M
Adrien Broner 5-7 M
Shawn Porter 5-7 M
Naoya Inoue 5-7 M
Paulie Malignaggi 5-6 M
Nonito Donaire 5-6 M
Danny Green. 5-6 M
Audley Harrison 5-6 M
Robert Guerrero 5-6 M
Mikey Garcia 4-5 M
Jeff Fenech. 4-5 M
Chad Dawson 4-5 M
Marco Antonio Barrera 4-5 M
Brandon Rios. 4-5 M
Julio César Chavez Jr 4-5 M
Roberto Duran 3-5 M
Gerry Cooney 3-5 M
Carlos Zarate 3-5 M
Gerrie Coetzee. 3-5 M
Chris Arreola 3-4 M
Jermall Charlo 3-4 M
Anthoney Peterson. 3-4 M
Erik Morales 3-4 M
Derrick Chisora 3-4 M
George Chuvalo 2-3 M
Kostya Tszyu. 2-3 M
Mark Breland. 2-3 M
Mikkel Kessler 2-3 M
Azumah Nelson 2-3 M
James Buddy McGirt. 2-3 M
Joe Mesi. 2-3 M
Tony Thompson 2-3 M

(Many show a net worth between 350K and 2.9 M).

We'll would ya looky there.....Fury with more money than AJ. Guess that what being the lineal champion gets you compared to being an alphabet belt holder.

[HOUDINI563]

Fury retired. Retirement ends his lineal reign. The bout between Usyk and AJ was thus for that vacant lineal title. Usyk won and is now the new lineal champion.

[JAB5239]

Fury retired. Retirement ends his lineal reign. The bout between Usyk and AJ was thus for that vacant lineal title. Usyk won and is now the new lineal champion.

If that's the case shouldn't Holmes have been recognized as lineal since the Norton fight? That's when personally recognize him, but I've seen many who didn't consider him lineal until he beat Ali.

[Willie Pep 229]

Fury retired. Retirement ends his lineal reign. The bout between Usyk and AJ was thus for that vacant lineal title. Usyk won and is now the new lineal champion.

Please correct if I'm wrong but the timeline seems off. If you go with that logic the "fight off" (elimination bout) for the championship would not have included Usyk. Uysk wasn't in the HW mix when Fury first "retired." Was he?

It would have been AJ and someone, but who?

Either way we assume AJ wins that fight and then loses it to Uysk and there you are, you got a champion.

But you can't call Josuha-Uysk an elimination fight, it came too late. You got to claim AJ was the champ going in.

[HOUDINI563]

If that's the case shouldn't Holmes have been recognized as lineal since the Norton fight? That's when personally recognize him, but I've seen many who didn't consider him lineal until he beat Ali.

Well it is the case.

As an example Ring recognized Ali as the heavyweight champion until he retired in 1970. The resulting bout between Frazier and Ellis then became for the lineal title. Frazier won. Ali when he fought Frazier was as the former champion.

Holmes was a “different” case as I look at it. He proved himself the best by beating the leading contender Norton prior to Ali’s retirement AND beat Ali himself, no longer the champion but former title holder. History is sometimes not cut and dry and must be pieced together the best one can. Holmes was by far and away the most worthy by the strength of these two victories. No other contender had this level of scalps.

When Jeffries returned to fight Johnson he was a former lineal champion as he had retired five years prior. Johnson had won the lineal title from Burns in 1908. Johnson retained his lineal title by beating Jeffries.

[JAB5239]

Well it is the case.

As an example Ring recognized Ali as the heavyweight champion until he retired in 1970. The resulting bout between Frazier and Ellis then became for the lineal title. Frazier won. Ali when he fought Frazier was as the former champion.

Holmes was a “different” case as I look at it. He proved himself the best by beating the leading contender Norton prior to Ali’s retirement AND beat Ali himself, no longer the champion but former title holder. History is sometimes not cut and dry and must be pieced together the best one can. Holmes was by far and away the most worthy by the strength of these two victories. No other contender had this level of scalps.

When Jeffries returned to fight Johnson he was a former lineal champion as he had retired five years prior. Johnson had won the lineal title from Burns in 1908. Johnson retained his lineal title by beating Jeffries.

Well explained my friend.

[HOUDINI563]

Please correct if I'm wrong but the timeline seems off. If you go with that logic the "fight off" (elimination bout) for the championship would not have included Usyk. Uysk wasn't in the HW mix when Fury first "retired." Was he?

It would have been AJ and someone, but who?

Either way we assume AJ wins that fight and then loses it to Uysk and there you are, you got a champion.

But you can't call Josuha-Uysk an elimination fight, it came too late. You got to claim AJ was the champ going in.

Fury announced his retirement earlier this year so relatively recently. Lineal title was as such vacant when AJ and Usyk last fought. Usyk won. He is now the Ring and lineal champion.

[markusmod]

Bob Sheridan is no boxing historian. His knowledge of the sport technically is very limited. He is a boxing ringside announcer.

Agreed.