Some who've actually seen em' are calling Tyson Fury the best ever.

[QueensburyRules]

Speaking to iD Boxing, Krassyuk said: 'There was a question, most frequently asked question and I want to use this opportunity straight away to say we pulled out of negotiations.

'Team Usyk did that, myself and Egis Klimas we took this decision when we realised and got some proof that the fight is not happening. So the question is off, team Usyk pulled out of negotiations, we initiated that.'

He finished by saying: 'This is very important because some people keep asking on social media, who did that, what happened?, so now it's completely clear, team Usyk pulled the plug out.'

The nonsense about the fight not happening is B.S, Usyk looked for a way out and took it.

Nash out

- - Convoluted speech saying Team Usyk pull out because the fight was not happening because of Blubber.

Endless negotiations KOed by Usyk...well done and well sorted so Blubber can ride off to that Great Rendering Yarde.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Convoluted speech saying Team Usyk pull out because the fight was not happening because of Blubber.

Endless negotiations KOed by Usyk...well done and well sorted so Blubber can ride off to that Great Rendering Yarde.

At one point Kearns did similar to Wills' people.

In 1922 Kearns tried to get Wills to sign onto a promise to negotiate which would have kept Wills (and therefore Rickard) bound for 60 days to a possible fight that Kearns had no obligation (or intention) of actually signing for.

Wills' people had no intention of binding themseleves, so they refused to sign. Kearns made sure the newspapers reported that Wills' people called off the negotiation. Which they technically did.

This seems like the same tactic. Fury has set up Usyk in the same manner. (And Nash Out is hauling water for the guise.) Fury can keep Usyk tied up in negotiations until Fury, chooses at his leisure, when or even if, he wants the fight.

This would ensure that no other 'championship' fight can be staged.

Maybe.

If this is Fury's tactic we may never get the fight.

[QueensburyRules]

At one point Kearns did similar to Wills' people.

In 1922 Kearns tried to get Wills to sign onto a promise to negotiate which would have kept Wills (and therefore Rickard) bound for 60 days to a possible fight that Kearns had no obligation (or intention) of actually signing for.

Wills' people had no intention of binding themseleves, so they refused to sign. Kearns made sure the newspapers reported that Wills' people called off the negotiation. Which they technically did.

This seems like the same tactic. Fury has set up Usyk in the same manner. (And Nash Out is hauling water for the guise.) Fury can keep Usyk tied up in negotiations until Fury, chooses at his leisure, when or even if, he wants the fight.

This would ensure that no other 'championship' fight can be staged.

Maybe.

If this is Fury's tactic we may never get the fight.

- - Blubber the B side don't deserve Usyk or AJ paydays, and hope he never gets them.

[ShoulderRoll]

Skillwise, Tyson Fury is certainly not the best ever.

But his combination of size and ability is unique in heavyweight history. There has never been a heavyweight quite like him.

[Willow The Wisp]

At one point Kearns did similar to Wills' people.

In 1922 Kearns tried to get Wills to sign onto a promise to negotiate which would have kept Wills (and therefore Rickard) bound for 60 days to a possible fight that Kearns had no obligation (or intention) of actually signing for.

Wills' people had no intention of binding themseleves, so they refused to sign. Kearns made sure the newspapers reported that Wills' people called off the negotiation. Which they technically did.

This seems like the same tactic. Fury has set up Usyk in the same manner. (And Nash Out is hauling water for the guise.) Fury can keep Usyk tied up in negotiations until Fury, chooses at his leisure, when or even if, he wants the fight.

This would ensure that no other 'championship' fight can be staged.

Maybe.

If this is Fury's tactic we may never get the fight.

Good post. A promise to negotiate is similar but different from the impasse encountered in the lastest rounds. For both sides of the table, the biggest considerations had to do with the presence of potential offers for x2, x3 the revenue from the Saudis for late in the year vs. The UK arrangement. Now it seems, businessmen in China are putting together something massive.

[Willie Pep 229]

Good post. A promise to negotiate is similar but different from the impasse encountered in the lastest rounds. For both sides of the table, the biggest considerations had to do with the presence of potential offers for x2, x3 the revenue from the Saudis for late in the year vs. The UK arrangement. Now it seems, businessmen in China are putting together something massive.

I have been rethinking the Fury-Chinaman fight.

Maybe you will be correct in the end. The growing 'middle class' population of China is setting casino ******** records so it is possible that their revenue alone may be enough to make it a mega fight.

Still don't think, at this time, that it will sell in the Ststes. But it may not need US $.

[Hooded Terror]

Joshua looked uninspiring in his most recent bout. He simply isn’t, and hasn’t been, the great heavyweight you make him out to be.

He looked no worse than Larry Holmes in a few of his title defenses. Ali too. We've become too caught up in heavyweights creating mushroom clouds. If it had of been many other fighters scoring the win as Joshua did the criticism would be far less.

[GhostofDempsey]

I don't see Fury knocking Ali out. Ali had one of the greatest chins in boxing. I do see a close fight though, and if Fury can use his reach advantage to work the jab and keep Ali off balance and at a distance he may be able to pull off a decision win. I hesitate to call a winner on this one.

I can see Fury beating Lewis by KO or decision. Lewis struggled with Vitali and if not for the cut he likely loses that fight. Fury is bigger, faster and has better overall movement than Vitali. I can also see Lewis dropping Fury on his trunks with a straight right hand that Fury gets up from. How does he do after that? I also circle back to Fury's fight with Wallin and how he struggled in that bout. Lewis is by far a better fighter than Wallin and certainly better than Wilder. I have to believe he gives Fury all he can handle and more.

Holmes would force this into a dogfight like he did with Norton. He would have get inside and pressure Fury non-stop. Use his counter-punching as he did with Cooney. Holmes already proved he can fight a bigger man in Cooney, I don't think he struggles with Fury's size at all. He got up off the canvas from Shavers best punch, I suspect he can do the same against Fury and possibly wins this fight.

[Willie Pep 229]

I don't see Fury knocking Ali out. Ali had one of the greatest chins in boxing. I do see a close fight though, and if Fury can use his reach advantage to work the jab and keep Ali off balance and at a distance he may be able to pull off a decision win. I hesitate to call a winner on this one.

I can see Fury beating Lewis by KO or decision. Lewis struggled with Vitali and if not for the cut he likely loses that fight. Fury is bigger, faster and has better overall movement than Vitali. I can also see Lewis dropping Fury on his trunks with a straight right hand that Fury gets up from. How does he do after that? I also circle back to Fury's fight with Wallin and how he struggled in that bout. Lewis is by far a better fighter than Wallin and certainly better than Wilder. I have to believe he gives Fury all he can handle and more.

Holmes would force this into a dogfight like he did with Norton. He would have get inside and pressure Fury non-stop. Use his counter-punching as he did with Cooney. Holmes already proved he can fight a bigger man in Cooney, I don't think he struggles with Fury's size at all. He got up off the canvas from Shavers best punch, I suspect he can do the same against Fury and possibly wins this fight.

The problem I got with Holmes-Fury is Fury's ability to adjust his fighting style to his opponent. I can see Fury refusing to attack and allowing Holmes to counter punch. Cooney was no Fury style wise.

IMO Fury is showing us a high ring IQ.

At the same time I think an Ali/Clay (circa 1967) would be a tougher fight for Fury than Holmes.

Unlike most HWs Ali had an even higher ring IQ than Fury and would find a way to control the pace of the fight and would steal yet another questionable UD.

Also as you say, you have to have a great chin when facing Fury. Ali, we agree had that.

So does Holmes of course (great chin), but I don't see Fury stopping Holmes just doing enough to take the UD.

[Willow The Wisp]

I have been rethinking the Fury-Chinaman fight.

Maybe you will be correct in the end. The growing 'middle class' population of China is setting casino ******** records so it is possible that their revenue alone may be enough to make it a mega fight.

Still don't think, at this time, that it will sell in the Ststes. But it may not need US $.

I agree. It's an awkward concept but big stuff can happen outside our borders here in the US.