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  • QueensburyRules
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    #111
    Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

    Please correct if I'm wrong but the timeline seems off. If you go with that logic the "fight off" (elimination bout) for the championship would not have included Usyk. Uysk wasn't in the HW mix when Fury first "retired." Was he?

    It would have been AJ and someone, but who?

    Either way we assume AJ wins that fight and then loses it to Uysk and there you are, you got a champion.

    But you can't call Josuha-Uysk an elimination fight, it came too late. You got to claim AJ was the champ going in.
    - - Ring was essentially the defacto ruling body passing their Ring Belt to worthy contenders that were almost always seen in the ethereal lineal light of leprechauns and faeries The Ring belt was hard, visible proof of The Man who beat The Man because of the veracity of two men, Tex Rickhard and Nat Fleischer who established the base format that carried on until Nat's death in the early 1970s before Ali beat Foreman. After that, nobody in the boxing publishing world had that magnificence of authority, and indeed the Ring shelved their Ring Belt for a time before the Oscar reorganization with Doogie at the helm where his select panel of writers set policy and conditions for the new Ring Belt.

    One concerned the raging drug accusations such that any Ring fighter caught using drugs was ousted post haste. Another was when the Ring #2 can't or won't fight #1, then #3 shall suffice which is what happened when #1 AJ fought #3 Mighty Joe Parker, both undefeated with solid records. Ring refused to sanction that fight because they kept the drug busted and drug suspended Fury as their Ring Champion against all of their 2 most important rules.

    We know that Fury became a mob fighter in 2017, so I suggest that "brown bagged" money transfer trail is quite long in that he carried 6 years worth of Ring titles without a singe defense nor fight while on a highly publicized drunken drug orgy. Then fights his way through the usual suspects until finalizing his trilogy with Wilder after both had ducked AJ several times, most notably during his ill begotten American Debut. Fat Andy who self identifies as Mexican even though born in America was the best fighter willing to step up after a half dozen higher Ring Ranked fighters turned AJ down, because like Fury, they were going after the low hanging ripe fruit of Wilder.

    So Ring finally corrected a $$$ corrupted wrong some six years after the fact which is good for Usyk whose natural heavyweight record is actually considerably more accomplished than Vander both pro and amateur not that Usyk will ever get credit for whooping highly credentialed fighters bigger than most heavyweight champs in history.

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    • Dr. Z
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      #112
      See my heavyweight project thread for what coming and trust me Fury doesn't want any part if Hrgovic or Jarolov.

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        #113
        Originally posted by Willow The Wisp
        Reporters, broadcasters, trainers, managers, promoters, fans and fighters are NOT historians. The questions about all-time compressions are best left to historians alone!
        That said, I know Colonel Bob a bit. Very nice guy. He loves boxing and he has been front and center for some very historic moments.
        As to his high praise of today's champion?.....you tell me.....

        https://*********.com/colonel-tyson-...he-goat/141560

        By Ray Wheatley – World of Boxing

        Hall of Fame broadcaster Colonel Bob SheridanSheridan talks to *********.com® about Tyson Fury, whom he says could be the greatest heavyweight of all time. The Colonel also talks about dream fights with Tyson Fury against other great heavyweights which include Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis.

        “Because of Tyson Fury’s size, Muhammad Ali would box in the hallway and stay away from him. I am talking about the early Ali and not the one after the layoff. I think Ali would be able to stay away from Fury and box his ears off, but in the end if Fury hits him on the chin he is going. Fury could definitely knock Ali out. There were European fighters who had knocked down Ali.

        “Lennox Lewis is a super, super fighter. He was very clever. He had a knack of pushing a guy’s head down like he did with the White Buffalo Frans Botha and knocked him out with one shot. Lennox Lewis has got to rate as one of the best heavyweights of all time. Lennox is a dear friend but I think Tyson Fury is something special. A freak of the day. Great racehorses and great athletes are freaks and Tyson Fury is one of them. Tyson Fury gets knocked down but he gets back up. Not a lot of heavyweights who get knocked down can get back up. Wilder put Fury down but he got up. And Wilder can punch.

        “ Lennox Lewis is a super – super fighter. He was very clever. He had a knack of pushing a guys head down like he did with the White Buffalo Frans Botha and knocked him out with one shot. Lennox Lewis has got to rate as one of the best heavyweights of all time

        Lennox is a dear friend but I think Tyson Fury is something special. A freak of the day. Great race horses and great athletes are freaks and Tyson Fury is one of them. Tyson Fury gets knocked down but he gets back up. Not a lot of heavyweights who get knocked down can get back up. Wilder put Fury down but he got up. And Wilder can punch. Fury beats Lewis.

        “Getting up from a knockdown is the key and that is why I rated Larry Holmes as number one. I’ve seen him get knocked out in Pittsburg by Renaldo Snipes and at the count of three his eyes were rolling back in his head and his right foot was quivering but he got up to beat Renaldo. I’ve seen Larry get hit by Ernie Shavers, which everyone agrees is the best heavyweight puncher of all time and he beat him after being down and then the same thing happened against Mike Weaver. Larry got knocked out but got up to beat all three of them. At that time in history, no other super heavyweight had got off the canvas three times after being knocked out. That’s why I rated Larry Holmes as number one. Not the Larry Holmes that boxed Mike Tyson.
        “I have Tyson Fury knocking Larry Holmes out. Tyson Fury is a freak of nature like Secretariat, who is a huge man who is super tough and a super great guy.

        “Tyson Fury knocks out everybody, in my opinion, until he gets too old. He is the greatest fighter in the world today and could be the best heavyweight who ever lived.“
        big problem is furys competition, it just sucks.

        40 year old Wlad wasn't even that "great" in his prime. let alone 40. Fury is a good heavyweight who found a mental edge over lackluster competition. Love him as a personality, but Lewis is on a whole different level, people just forget.

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          #114
          Originally posted by them_apples

          big problem is furys competition, it just sucks.

          40 year old Wlad wasn't even that "great" in his prime. let alone 40. Fury is a good heavyweight who found a mental edge over lackluster competition. Love him as a personality, but Lewis is on a whole different level, people just forget.
          - - Wlad and Vit ducked by Lewie best comp both finished with superior records, most especially Wlad. Neither was ever one punched into submission like Lewie was twice. Neither retired days before getting stripped of their titles.

          I could go on, but best you stick to training threads and such where you might have some authority.

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            #115
            Originally posted by QueensburyRules

            - - Wlad and Vit ducked by Lewie best comp both finished with superior records, most especially Wlad. Neither was ever one punched into submission like Lewie was twice. Neither retired days before getting stripped of their titles.

            I could go on, but best you stick to training threads and such where you might have some authority.
            Neither will be remembered as being as great as Lewis.

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              #116
              Originally posted by JAB5239

              Neither will be remembered as being as great as Lewis.
              - - OP say Blubber greater than Lewie when in fact neither will be remembered as great.

              Ks completely upended the shopworn heavy division which is the whole reason why you been singing soprano ever since.

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                #117
                Originally posted by QueensburyRules

                - - OP say Blubber greater than Lewie when in fact neither will be remembered as great.

                Ks completely upended the shopworn heavy division which is the whole reason why you been singing soprano ever since.
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                Here are the first ten list I found on a quick search. Two things stand out. 1. Lewis ALWAYS ranks higher than either Klitschko if the are even mentioned. 2. Larry Holmes always rates highly. This must be burning your chaps double time. Why don't you steer the conversation back to the fictitious Pep-Robinson amateur fight film you claimed you've seen....you may have better luck!!

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                • QueensburyRules
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                  #118
                  Originally posted by JAB5239

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                  Here are the first ten list I found on a quick search. Two things stand out. 1. Lewis ALWAYS ranks higher than either Klitschko if the are even mentioned. 2. Larry Holmes always rates highly. This must be burning your chaps double time. Why don't you steer the conversation back to the fictitious Pep-Robinson amateur fight film you claimed you've seen....you may have better luck!!
                  - - Might want to check out Nat's top 10 list, the first ever publicized that we know about.

                  Now every meathead with a computer has their own list, ie YOU, along with every meathead boxing website, and since they seemingly change weeky, it's sorta like peanuts raining from Heaven.

                  I stopped thinking in 2 dimensional lineal ratings long ago. Blubber has 3 defenses of his 6 yrs holding the Ring title, all coming in the last miserable year of his cowardly career holding his mob titles. The only title he wasn't stripped of is his Deyonce TBA WBC popcorn title. All the idiots in the world don't make Blubber worth anymore than the useless piece of that he already is. Even the disgraced Lewie is better than that. Blubber prob better than tubby Lar who used to be skinny. 0-6, 0 KO title record against Champions holding a title won in the ring with a single title in a multi title era about as miserable as it gets even for you.


                  Wlad and Vit both dwarf Blubber title defenses and title wins and fought the best that would fight them without needing mob assistance.

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                    #119
                    Originally posted by QueensburyRules

                    - - Might want to check out Nat's top 10 list, the first ever publicized that we know about.

                    Now every meathead with a computer has their own list, ie YOU, along with every meathead boxing website, and since they seemingly change weeky, it's sorta like peanuts raining from Heaven.

                    I stopped thinking in 2 dimensional lineal ratings long ago. Blubber has 3 defenses of his 6 yrs holding the Ring title, all coming in the last miserable year of his cowardly career holding his mob titles. The only title he wasn't stripped of is his Deyonce TBA WBC popcorn title. All the idiots in the world don't make Blubber worth anymore than the useless piece of that he already is. Even the disgraced Lewie is better than that. Blubber prob better than tubby Lar who used to be skinny. 0-6, 0 KO title record against Champions holding a title won in the ring with a single title in a multi title era about as miserable as it gets even for you.


                    Wlad and Vit both dwarf Blubber title defenses and title wins and fought the best that would fight them without needing mob assistance.
                    I was never talking about Fury. You said neither Fury or Lewis would be remembered as great. I'll stick with my guns here and say Lennox will always rank above Wlad and well, well above Vits in the pantheon of all time great heavyweights. Apparently I'm not the only one who sees it that way. I was going to use the IBRO but figured that would be to easy.

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                      #120
                      Originally posted by JAB5239

                      I was never talking about Fury. You said neither Fury or Lewis would be remembered as great. I'll stick with my guns here and say Lennox will always rank above Wlad and well, well above Vits in the pantheon of all time great heavyweights. Apparently I'm not the only one who sees it that way. I was going to use the IBRO but figured that would be to easy.
                      - - Good to see you with the piddling masses of zombies. Modern fighters always suffer in comparison to past legends who eventually fade, but most assuredly Wlad and Vit are already highly regarded, and once Americans realize how much they ducked the Ks, those fighters will start to suffer.

                      Lefties Tony Thompson and Ruslan Chagaev beat half IBRO top 20, and Chris Byrd would befuddle most all win/lose/draw for reference.

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