Tunney Versus jack Johnson who wins and why

[QueensburyRules]

Tunney made it clear that he would duck all Black fighters, besides Wills. Once he won the championship, he also said he would never fight Wills.

- - Wills was shot by then, but no matter to U that Tunney fought a single farewell mop up fight to retire, ducking ALL Contenders...

[travestyny]

- - Wills was shot by then, but no matter to U that Tunney fought a single farewell mop up fight to retire, ducking ALL Contenders...

Doesn't matter if Wills was shot or not. Tunney didn't know that. He made it clear that he would avoid all Black fighters including Wills at that time.

[QueensburyRules]

Doesn't matter if Wills was shot or not. Tunney didn't know that. He made it clear that he would avoid all Black fighters including Wills at that time.

- - Matters more that he fought an obvious mop up fight and retired avoiding All Fighters Matter that included Wills.

[travestyny]

- - Matters more that he fought an obvious mop up fight and retired avoiding All Fighters Matter that included Wills.

It's not my purpose to make it racial. But that's what Tunney did himself.

[Dr. Z]

He was a short, squat no-hoper with a record of 35-22-13. I can waste my time posting sources but you’ll dismiss them and keep running in circles like another attrition poster here who is always out of his depth and thinks getting the last word is “winning”.

It’s funny how you quote Moyle time and again but go silent when I quote him and and he contradicts your narrative. You are wasting everyone’s time with your arrogance and ignorance.

Check Ross record in his last six fights leading up the event with Johnson. He'll only what he likes and ignore the rest.


And the bum shook Jack Johnson in the 4th round.

[JAB5239]

Gene wouldn't take the fight. If he did though I'd favor Johnson to wear him down with Tunney Wilmington most of the earlier rounds with his greater all around skills. Johnson was bigger and probably stronger than anyone Tunney ever fought. He would lean, hold and wrestle chance he could. Think the early 1900's version of Wlad Klitschko. He'd make it boring, but he would be effective. That's just me spitballing though. I can see versions where Tunney wins as well, I'd just slightly favor Johnson overall.

[QueensburyRules]

It's not my purpose to make it racial. But that's what Tunney did himself.

- - Wills did it to himself not taking the fight. For the record, I don't blame Wills, I blame the political structure at the time making these matches problematic.

[travestyny]

- - Wills did it to himself not taking the fight. For the record, I don't blame Wills, I blame the political structure at the time making these matches problematic.

You keep saying this.

How about you showing proof of it, because I'm calling you out as being full of shlt.

When did Wills decline?

[Dr. Z]

You keep saying this.

How about you showing proof of it, because I'm calling you out as being full of shlt.

When did Wills decline?

Tunney offered Wills a fight in the press. Wills decline happened sometime before the Sharkey fight. But he didn't look good vs Firpo and he wast too old in that one, and was in with a guy easy to look good against. Tunney would have beaten Wills.

What is your avatar picture all about?

[Willie Pep 229]

Tunney offered Wills a fight in the press. Wills decline happened sometime before the Sharkey fight. But he didn't look good vs Firpo and he wast too old in that one, and was in with a guy easy to look good against. Tunney would have beaten Wills.

What is your avatar picture all about?

Gibson claims Wills ducking Tunney: NY Times, September 7th 1925.

Please remember we are talking Billy Gibson here. A man with a VERY shady history. At times, even screwing over his own guy, Tunney. If Arnold Rothstein sees fit to mention you in his will you know the guy has stink on him.

But never the less he (Gibson) is the one pushing for the fight and Wills' people are using a legal obligation to avoid the fight by claiming an obligation to some Newark promoters, who in turn for some reason are not showing any interest in a Wills-Tunney fight. E.g. Fury's arbitration scam/excuse all over again?

Wills then fights Floyd Johnson in Newark.

Wills and friends IMO reach three-day fish level stink when Wills does make good on his Newark obligation (October 10th 1925) but the fight against Floyd Johnson ends with Johnson's corner throwing in the towel, literally, in the first round. (TKO 2.02 1ST Round).

The State of New Jersey then ban Johnson for live.

I don't know! I have not even the smallest trust in Billy Gibson but on the same note the Wills/Mullins story has a stink on it.

P.S. Wills doesn't fight again for an solid year until Sharkey in October 1926.

P.S.S. Wills fighting Johnson in October (1925) ended the 'outdoor season' and the proposed Yankee Stadium, Tunney-Wills fight, was then definitely off until the earliest Spring of '26.

P.S. In my opinion Mullins/Wills blew there positionong because Gibbons immediately started serious talks with Dempsey/Rickard as soon a Wills refused the October offer. It was as if they just needed to get Wills out of the way by having him refuse the challenge and then went all in on trying to sign Dempsey. I was surprise to find that promoters were making Dempsey-Tunney offers as early as late 1925.