Tunney Versus jack Johnson who wins and why

[travestyny]

- - Quite likely they duck each given their histories.

Gene was willing to fight Wills in a Dempsey elimination, a big stakes fight, so he'd do the same for JJ, but not sure JJ does they same for Gene given his boxing reputation.

Tunney made it clear that he would duck all Black fighters, besides Wills. Once he won the championship, he also said he would never fight Wills.

[GhostofDempsey]

You havent answered the question.

Q . WHY DO YOU SAY ROSS HAD NO STAMINA?
Now all you have to do is answer it! QUACK QUACK

He was a short, squat no-hoper with a record of 35-22-13. I can waste my time posting sources but you’ll dismiss them and keep running in circles like another attrition poster here who is always out of his depth and thinks getting the last word is “winning”.

It’s funny how you quote Moyle time and again but go silent when I quote him and and he contradicts your narrative. You are wasting everyone’s time with your arrogance and ignorance.

[travestyny]

He was a short, squat no-hoper with a record of 35-22-13. I can waste my time posting sources but you’ll dismiss them and keep running in circles like another attrition poster here who is always out of his depth and thinks getting the last word is “winning”.

It’s funny how you quote Moyle time and again but go silent when I quote him and and he contradicts your narrative. You are wasting everyone’s time with your arrogance and ignorance.

Actually, he's been mopping the floor with you time and again like another poster around these parts. But that's not hard to do, is it

[Ivich]

He was a short, squat no-hoper with a record of 35-22-13. I can waste my time posting sources but you’ll dismiss them and keep running in circles like another attrition poster here who is always out of his depth and thinks getting the last word is “winning”.

It’s funny how you quote Moyle time and again but go silent when I quote him and and he contradicts your narrative. You are wasting everyone’s time with your arrogance and ignorance.

I've asked for some proof from you that Ross lacked stamina as you have stated. All you have to do is provide primary source for this and I'll defer to you.Simple as! Ross wasnt much but he managed to beat;
Schreck
Palzer
Flynn
Moran
Ferguson
Draw with Jeannette
Draw with Battling Jim
And beat a fellow called Kid Cotton 3 times,you know, the guy you say Johnson ducked.

[GhostofDempsey]

I've asked for some proof from you that Ross lacked stamina as you have stated. All you have to do is provide primary source for this and I'll defer to you.Simple as! Ross wasnt much but he managed to beat;
Schreck
Palzer
Flynn
Moran
Ferguson
Draw with Jeannette
Draw with Battling Jim
And beat a fellow called Kid Cotton 3 times,you know, the guy you say Johnson ducked.

The three times Cotton faced Ross they ended as a no-decision, not a win or loss.

[Ivich]

The three times Cotton faced Ross they ended as a no-decision, not a win or loss.

From Kid Cottons record on box rec
1910

Tony Ross	19 8 10		Labor Temple, Pittsburgh	L-NWS	6/6		bout score wiki
ref: Paddy Sullivan Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post. It was a close fight.

1911

	George Kid Cotton	6 4 0		Labor Temple, Pittsburgh	W-NWS	6/6		bout score wiki
ref: Eddie Kennedy Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post. Ross gave Cotton a drubbing.

	George Kid Cotton	6 7 0		Old City Hall, Pittsburgh	W-NWS	6/6		bout score wiki
Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post. Cotton was down twice and was thoroughly licked.

1911
So you dont know the difference between a NWS and a NO DEC?

ps They fought 4 times and Cotton won the 4th!
1912

George Kid Cotton	7 8 0		Old City Hall, Pittsburgh	L-NWS	6/6		bout score wiki
ref: Tom Bodkin Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post, according to which Cotton was the clear winner.

[GhostofDempsey]

From Kid Cottons record on box rec
1910

Tony Ross	19 8 10		Labor Temple, Pittsburgh	L-NWS	6/6		bout score wiki
ref: Paddy Sullivan Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post. It was a close fight.

1911

	George Kid Cotton	6 4 0		Labor Temple, Pittsburgh	W-NWS	6/6		bout score wiki
ref: Eddie Kennedy Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post. Ross gave Cotton a drubbing.

	George Kid Cotton	6 7 0		Old City Hall, Pittsburgh	W-NWS	6/6		bout score wiki
Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post. Cotton was down twice and was thoroughly licked.

1911
So you dont know the difference between a NWS and a NO DEC?

ps They fought 4 times and Cotton won the 4th!
1912

George Kid Cotton	7 8 0		Old City Hall, Pittsburgh	L-NWS	6/6		bout score wiki
ref: Tom Bodkin Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post, according to which Cotton was the clear winner.

Most sources call them ND, no decision. Cotton was a novice when they fought, barely ten fights, and in their final match newspapers favored Cotton. If you are going to celebrate Ross’ performance over a green Cotton, then you must celebrate Cotton’s knockout win over Wills as a novice in just two rounds.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/ross-t.htm

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[Dr. Z]

Yes Dempsey was floored and the referee moved in and began counting immediately,meanwhile Tunney was nowhere near a neutral corner! ps Dempsey fought 3 black fighters and had numerous black sparring partners such as ;
Tate, Panama Joe Gans,Larry Gains, Godfrey, Johnson,If he was leery of black fighters why did he have black spar mates? Tunney never did!

Which black fighters did Dempsey fight? I gave you the one I am aware and by the looks of the news reports some felt Dempsey lost. The others are? Sparring partners don't count. Tunney looks at the ref at about the count of 4, and IMO could have gotten up sooner than he did, but he opted to stay down some more. Up before the count of ten. He moved around well right after the knockdown. Hardly the sign of a hurt fighter with his legs underneath him and moving well. No clinching to buy extra time by Tunney after the knockdown either.

[Ivich]

Most sources call them ND, no decision. Cotton was a novice when they fought, barely ten fights, and in their final match newspapers favored Cotton. If you are going to celebrate Ross’ performance over a green Cotton, then you must celebrate Cotton’s knockout win over Wills as a novice in just two rounds.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/ross-t.htm

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I just included it to yank your chain fact is Ross won 3 of their 4 fights ,2 by convincing margins.

[GhostofDempsey]

I just included it to yank your chain fact is Ross won 3 of their 4 fights ,2 by convincing margins.

He didn’t win anything, and he was far more experienced. Like I said, watch them double standards or we will have to boast of Cotton’s KO win over Wills.