Best MW Champion since Marvin Hagler?

[Willie Pep 229]

You can carry on being pedantic it doesn't change the fact that everyone knows Whitaker won that fight.

Oh sorry, 99% of people.

Better, thank you.

[JAB5239]

No way did Pee Wee beat Chavez Sr. - expectations were low for Whitaker because Chavez was being touted as unbeatable, so when he was able to neutralize Chavez's attack casuals mistakenly concluded that must mean he won the fight. Whitaker never took it to Chavez; all he succeeded in doing that night was avoid getting beat up. The draw was the proper decision. You let the 'expectations game' spin your head around.

Whitaker took the fight to him and beat him at every aspect of the fight. He landed more punches, harder punches and continually had Chavez turning. Honestly, it was an amazing performance and one of boxings worst robberies.

[QueensburyRules]

So what are you saying here, that Whitaker didn't beat Chavez?

- - It took Frankie Randell to beat JC Sr pillar to post, and the people cheered.

Pea had some top natural attributes for a fighter, but finishing a fighter he ducked for years after Sr completely wrecked Taylor, well, that's too difficult and not in Pea's DNA. Clowning was his forte that he got away with vs lesser opponents.

End of the day their nose candy finished both, but Sr held on for a swan song. Pea didn't even have that in him.

[DeeMoney]

So what are you saying here, that Whitaker didn't beat Chavez?

No, I wasn't making a statement on that fight whatsoever (thats why I noted it as an "aside").

I just hate the premise that when a favorite wins (or draws) a fight by a closer margin than anticipated, that people use that as evidence that he actually lost. A fight is judged by what happens in the ring, not expectations prior to.

[tokon]

If that's the case I would pick both Toney and Hopkins over Golovkin.

Yes, me too.

[tokon]

I'd pick the majority of the list over Toney let alone the likes of Hopkins and Golovkin.

Toney has next to no chance against Hopkins.

Head to head, id probably pick Toney. Hopkins could have had that fight but didn't seem to want it.

[QueensburyRules]

Head to head, id probably pick Toney. Hopkins could have had that fight but didn't seem to want it.

- - Welcome to search fruitlessly when they were ever in the same timeline of development.

[tokon]

- - Welcome to search fruitlessly when they were ever in the same timeline of development.

Hahaha, you're right, I think that when I read about Hopkins running out the back door when Toney came in the front, Toney might have already been at 168. I don't know, it's a ling time ago and I'm just bs' ing here anyway!

But, at 160-168-175 I'd still take Toney over Hopkins.

Thanks.

[billeau2]

If we are going strictly by your criteria, I would go with James Toney even though that wasn’t his best weight.

Lol great minds in the same gutter... I picked Toney as well.

[billeau2]

Christ, what a goon you prove to be. Hagler would walk right through GGG, chopping him up fine. I see you really DO know nothing, Nash outlandish, and were even dumb enough to include the phrase "with ease." Hagler faced bigger punchers, and they could not hurt him. GGG made a career of feasting on scrubs and waiting for Canelo, whom he admittedly beat at least once.

If one is diplomatic... people tend to look at Haggler's resume and names that present as "obscure" and assumptions are made. Those obscure names are some of the toughest SOB's in boxing history. Guys like Antofuermo, Hamani and Hamsho... Hagler, in addition to fighting the best, really had a baseline of no nonsense fighters in one of the toughest divisions in the sport...