Do you even watch Plant's fights Bivols? Anyone who's watched both knows Bivol looks much more impressive against much better competition. Plant was able to win some rounds vs. Canelo, I think Bivol def can too, he's a better boxer whose bigger and more skilled.
called plant easy work also. The significance of undisputed pretty much carried that fight. Canelo not really a guy at this point that I think winning a few rounds is gonna get you the W just some moral points. Think about Khan won a few rounds. Jacobs won a few rounds. Hell Lara had that man shaking going to the cards. I don’t think Bivol is gonna present a style that canelo is suddenly gonna be gun shy and not try to break down. He’s a guy that fights at rhythm and pace and doesn’t force the issue even when he knows that stepping on the gas likely can get him to show additional gears. Those type of guys tend to look like a deer in headlights and I think that’s gonna happen to him vs Canelo.
Bivol def has the skill to win 6 or more rounds. I don't think he'll be an easy guy to break down, he couldtn do it to GGG, couldn't do it to Jacobs, I don't think he'll do to Bivol who is bigger, stronger, and more skilled than both.
hey more power to you buddy. I think canelo gets the job done around 8-9 rounds.
Makes a lot of sense given Paramount is eager to jump into streaming. And they got deep pockets. What they spend on giving PBC a yearly budget would likely be next to nothing for them given they’ll have tons of other content to bring in a lot of money.
He may it just depends if Bivol has a chin and can walk through clean shots like GGG did and won't fold like the alcoholic ***** Kovalev. If Bivol can take the power, I strongly think he can win at least 6 rounds. Remember canelo fatigues if he can't get you out of there.
I think by round 5 those body shots would have settled in nicely. Speaking of GGG I need him to get by Murata so I can put some cash on Nelo stopping him in the third fight.
Seems like very good timing for these threads with wilder about a month out from the biggest fight of the career thus far (similar to Hearn wanting wilder a signature for Joshua while wilder was set to fight fury) Wilders 2020 could be two statement wins of Fury. Then 2021 Joshua. So it would be dope to keep the same energy from AJ + team if wilder beats fury twice.
Bruh put on the Diaz fight..this shhh is nuts. Diaz has been hit with some hellacious punches. I’m cool with waiting, there is a reason why dazn is willing to wait..these are two bad mutha fkas and I’m not a ufc fan at all.
I can care very little about what the ufc is putting on. My investment was solely into getting this fight and GBP over the last 2 years have tried to go out of their way to make their bigger fights lineup at a time that suits the overall consumer market. This is bs.
God damn stop fking whining..gives us time to sober up and get some grub and get hammered all over again. Diaz and masvidal is going to also be a brawl! Shhh I call this a good fight night, plus we get an hour back tonight..
Nah fam. It’s legit almost 1am here. If I wanted to be watch a fight begin damn near around this time I’d move to the UK.
Dude shut up! Here in this video he clearly said he wasn’t ready for Ward because it was too big a challenge, and this is in 2014. So how the fook did he accept a challenge a year earlier and then duck it in 2014.
Let’s not focus on a would be fight that would be ward absolutely bullying a guy who was backing up vs Canelo.
I was going over this yesterday on twitter. since the canelo fall out, ggg should wrote the IBF a letter asking for extension to allow another voluntary. especially since Sergey D raised his hand for may 5th. since the Mando asked and was ready to take it on short notice, the IBF really didnt need to order the fight but let ggg know if he took vanes they wouldn't sanction it. if you fight a non sanctioned fight that they dont approve of bc of the opponent, win or lose champ gets stripped, its in their rule book. it was diff for guys like wlad and ggg when they fought pedvetkin and Jacobs bc those guys didnt go by ibf rules so they weren't eligible for the title. much diff case here. this was the IBF saying, dont fight vanes, fight a Mando instead and they chose not to. they should told the IBF let me fight vanes and order the Sergey D fight right after and ill fight him in the fall especially considering canelo off surgery and peds probably won't fight ggg after being out nearly a year.
I alway think holding fighters to high standards is the right thing to do. with ggg he built himself as a guy who wanted to conquer all, willing to take anyone on from 154-168. when some guys raised their hands, they paused before realizing what it meant. so he went back to turning his focus to 160 (which is fine). but now after they built him as the guy to collect all the belt, hes passed on two scenarios for it when BJS finally came around (after being a duck for a good portion) and now the MW division is a bit more exciting with additions of canelo (finally at 160) charlo Jacobs proving himself, Sergey d (inexperience but good fight for anyone). myself if ggg were to put all those guys as Ws on his resume it would be a great accomplishment in comparison to his resume prior to 2016. but now hes making business decisions (which is fine) but goes against everything they built him up as.
i think the gate makes more than joshua vs wlad. they priced that fight conservatively while second hand resellers made a killing on up charge. hearn isnt gonna miss out that chance on this fight. i also think SHO will test ppv for this fight considering theyve invested a good portion into these two over the last few years. they dont need mayweather ppv numbers, just solid numbers around 300-400k to make money.
It's ridiculous. People demanding challengers make ridiculous amounts of money, calling 6x the challengers highest payday a low ball. I guess 99% of challengers were lowballed then. All Mayweather/Pacquiao opponents were lowballed. They were making <5 mill while Mayweather/Pacquiao made 20 or 30+.
they got back end money though after their registered purse. hearns offer gives wilder 0% of that. i think if hearn offered the 12.5 with incentives to a % of the live gate and ppv package, it would be a good offer. like im sure parker got the bulk of the new zealand tv money and those regions while also getting a % of sky box office.
40% is what Pacquiao made against Mayweather. Did Canelo get 40% against Mayweather? Did Cotto? Did Bradley get 40% against Pacquiao? Did JMM?
Wilder is so far away from Joshua in drawing power 40% is way too much.
they can also talk the approach where wilder would take any % as long as its flipped in the rematch should he win. that works also.
Not really because he also said Oct or nov, and we all know here is only one venue option (Cardiff) at that time.
But no actual date attached ? I’ve seen some deals go through with no venue but at least there’s a target date on the contract.
It's not unreasonable to offer Wilder 12.5 Mill when he doesn't sell tickets nor make any money on his fights compared to Joshua.
Oh, and Hearn offered to give Wilder a bigger share of the money should he win.
Hearn out his own mouth said wilder allows them to break into the US PPV market but won't even give wilder a % of that ppv market. his 12.5 offer means no TV money, no ppv worldwide money, no merch money, no license money. this would be Hearn and Joshua telling Parker he gets no New Zealand money.
If Wilder and AJ fought in the UK with the American market doing PPV, I don't see it breaking 100,000 buys.
If Wilder liked the offer from Hearn, i'm sure he could have sat down and talked about him maybe getting most of the American PPV. I'm sure Hearn would have went for that considering he's really only interested in the British PPV market where most of the money would have came from.
why don't you see it breaking 100k buys? most fighters when switching their platform to ppv can retain 10% of their regular audience. not to mention this fight has legs that are getting casuals into it, when I went to Ortiz fight, it was the second highest attendance and I was in a section full of Brits who came to see it (most of them rooting for Ortiz) they also knew dirrell but nothing about uzcategui so I know it was a fight invested to see wilder vs ortiz. Hearn knows uk ppv is a lock, he also knows he can raise ticket prices in wembly bc their 90k sell out was only a 8mill live gate. thats an average of 90pounds per seat. hearn is undervaluing this fight, clear as day. he may do it bc he can lock Joshua and wilder into fixed deals while match room can take a large % of the top.
I see it doing no more than 100,000 on American PPV because of the time it would be on, plus neither AJ/Wilder are stars in America. Getting people to buy the fight would have been a struggle with it being on Showtime and them not really being good at promoting a fight. They're nowhere near to what HBO are capable of.
Ward was doing good numbers on basic cable until he fought Kovalev on PPV. And you know what happened there. It flopped. I see the same thing with Wilder/AJ.
I think the time of it is why it does 200-250k. prime time can be higher but nowhere above 500k. getting ppl to buy fights is hard but undisputed hw championship of the world especially at a time where SHO budget is 3x HBO and they've sat on more than $30mill surplus they made from mayweather vs mc Gregor since neither had exclusive deals with them. SHO also has been spending very friendly prices on cards to retain and increase their viewership and allowed audience to stream from their app for free and watch fights on Facebook. thats 4x the effort HBO has been able to put into their programming. HBO makes billions and shrinks their boxing budget to where if you're not a promoter they like or a fighter their tied to, they won't give you more than 1mill for the whole card. ward vs kov consensus was no way should it be ppv. wilder vs Joshua is diff imo because both have been able to attain more casual attention than ward and Kovalev.
Considering the time Wilder/Joshua would have been on, I don't think there would have been much from the American PPV market.
considering this even could dow low end 200k-250k buys (based on their American viewership retaining 10% of their averages audience on regular TV in the us), at the ppv price thats here. Hearn isn't stupid and he knows this. he's also well aware that sho will mediate and the likelyhood Vegas will want this fight (especially with canelo ggg on ice) they will def step in an outbid any venue for it come to the us market.
I'm talking about if this fight were to take place in the UK. The PPV wouldn't be all that great.
and so am I, which is why I said low end ppv numbers, even off 200-250k thats about $25mill revenue, thats horrible number for a heavyweight ppv when you compare it to heavyweight ppv historically. the lowest hw ppv was 120k from klitz over 10 years ago.
But Hearn didn't refuse to sit down and talk when he made the offer to Wilder did he?
Shirley is refusing to meet because it's all bullsh*t and nothing more than a PR stunt.
You believing it's anything else just makes me pity you for being so stupid and defending this.
Hearn refused:
to offer wilder a %
to offer wilder an upside %
to offer wilder the us market money
to offer wilder a aj along with the Whyte fight
to offer wilder a winner takes lions share in the rematch
you really wanna play the game of who started being unreasonable ?
Stop making excuses you look pathetic.
You know this is bullsh*t, stop trying to defend it. Shirley not wanting to meet up is suss as f*ck.
this is legit the same thing Hearn offered initially, a take it or leave it.....
Yeah but you see that would make too much sense and than it would be harder for Hearn to save face once his bluff is called.
which is why its pretty funny watching hearn get a taste of his own medicine. all he had to say is "were in" lets talk. now if they didn't come up with details after both sides are fully invested it woulda back fired. Hearn cant pay any of his guys over 1mill outside of Joshua unless they're living off another fighters cred. but has the nerve to question where the money is coming from.