Let me ask you guys a couple questions that I need

Blind hate, we are both seeingit happen with another guy, some people can't live without it

Beating Jacobs wasn't two years ago. And why does the IBF care who he fights when the other organizations haven't come out and said the same thing? This is why these trinkets mean nothing to me as a fan. Their rules mean jack to me. you know its about money haha

You flipped the script.... I’ll sit this out..You guys know that I picked Canelo to beat GG. And I’ll take him in the rematch. But I can’t take Canelos side on this. I used to be a big critic of GG until he fought Jacobs and Canelo. Canelo has done nothing wrong and I just can’t understand the backlash over a ****en opponent. You guys sound more mad at who he’s fighting than him losing out on millions of dollars. I haven’t heard one legit reason why GG should have to fight his mandatory, be stripped, or why he can’t choose his opponent for 1 ****en fight-after losing out on millions. For the love of God stop giving me the run around lol...

answers to. 1) Why should GG be stripped for not fighting his mandatory when he wasn’t fighting his mandatory in the first place? 2) Why isn’t GG allowed to take a soft touch, fight his mandatory next and then the Canelo rematch? Am I missing something? Why ask why? Since when is hate logical or reasonable? The IBF wouldn't expect a champ to fight a mandatory on a month's notice. Golovkin fought two top P4P guys his last two fights, that's as good as any title holder out there. Compare that with who Charlo, Andrade and Deveryranchenko have fought recently. Fans are frustrated the big fight is off, but there's nothing wrong with astay busy fight for Golovkin.

Open a taqueria in San Diego. We have a lot out here, but I've never seen one go out of business. Mexican food is the best. Peace brother... thanks .

I say it does. Just like anyone who has a garbage career ending fight. I'm not saying its a huge dent in his career or anything don't go crazytown on me, but it was a bs victory lap fight no one wanted to see. That has an impact, however small, in your public perception. It definitely didn't enhance his legacy. I'm not even sure Berto thought he deserved that fight. I'm not talking about hard fights. I'm saying top P4P guys should fight other top guys as a rule virtually. Plenty of Floyd's, Caneo's & GGG's top guy fights weren't hard fights or THAT hard anyway. Maybe. Huh? Of course its happening. Don't even understand what you are suggesting here. And I see no reason not to criticize top P4P guys when they take 1 easy bs fight. Cuz like I said the onus on them is higher then a typical guy. If GGG was the #4 guy in the world...fair play Vanes sounds like a solid name to add to the resume. Like I said I'm not surprised. We got severely different takes on bs fights. You are okay with P4P guys having them. I'm not. Eff this is how intel about our convo. Go to 2:55 https://youtu.be/HMYSvWoIjo0

I tried to franchise a taqueria in TJ, then my cousin stepped in and saved me... he saved from medieval Mexican bs in the desert. Me Pablo not coming out on top. Open a taqueria in San Diego. We have a lot out here, but I've never seen one go out of business. Mexican food is the best.

1. It's cause 154-168. 2. And Ward doe. I didn't read the questions by the way, but Lil G ruined my life and I only exist in this world so I can post mean things about him. Free Nelo, I love juicy Mexican meat. I tried to franchise a taqueria in TJ, then my cousin stepped in and saved me... he saved from medieval Mexican bs in the desert. Me Pablo not coming out on top.

Simple questions. Any takers? Lol You flipped the script.... I’ll sit this out..

answers to. 1) Why should GG be stripped for not fighting his mandatory when he wasn’t fighting his mandatory in the first place? 2) Why isn’t GG allowed to take a soft touch, fight his mandatory next and then the Canelo rematch? Am I missing something? 1. It's cause 154-168. 2. And Ward doe. I didn't read the questions by the way, but Lil G ruined my life and I only exist in this world so I can post mean things about him. Free Nelo, I love juicy Mexican meat.

Everything was Floyd's choice. And I approve or understand why things went down like they did in every case before the Berto fight. But the reality is the Berto fight was a complete garbage fight, that was just a victory lap fight. Just like GGG vs Vanes. Top fighters at the top of their game shouldn't have victory lap fights. I'm more often called a Floyd fanboy then a hater/critic. Saw him win the Michigan GG at 118(?) at the Wyoming, MI National Guard Armory back in the day. A fan every since. Reality is reality doe. And its a small hit to his legacy to me, but a hit to his legacy all the same he didn't keep up his end of the career streak fighting top 3, top 5 guys like he had for several years up til Berto. Can't fault him for the McGregor thing. That was a freak show that just had too much money involved in it to not do it so I get that one. Sure, but they could save some of that audience by putting GGG in with a real guy. Show me GGG vs Derevyanchenko, show me GGG vs Charlo, show me GGG vs BJS, show me GGG vs Jacobs II. There might be a few more fights in there that are two or three levels above this one, but my main point is there were many much better choices for the #1 guy at MW to fight on this big date despite Canelo not being allowed to fight. This is a wasted fight. Wasted time. Wasted brain cells.The Berto fight was a garbage fight to you not me. And Floyd’s legacy didn’t take a hit fighting Berto lmao. In boxing every fight can’t be a hard fight. Not every fight. GG will back to taking tough fights after Vanes. Now if he takes on someone that we don’t approve of next fight then I will criticize him. You must come to the conclusion that GG/Vanes is happening. If you’re going to criticize him go ahead because I won’t.

No active number 1 boxer is entitled to a bs fight in my mind. I think tip top boxers have a higher level of quality control to maintain. And for me and most other reasonable fans Thurman, Porter or a couple other guys were better suited to be Floyd's last fight, at the time. Well obviously, and it's still a bs fight not worth anyone's time. I have no problem with how you feel, but the end game was Floyd's choice. Nobody will hold that against him except his critics. And many people won't tune in to GG Vanes. That's expected because of the big let down of Canelo being caught.

It is & it isn't. I think GGG is in unique enough of a class of boxers were only a handful of other guys that I don't have one iota of desire to see him fight a bs opponent. I said the same with Floyd when he fought Berto which was a fight that made ZERO sense to me after him fighting years worth of fights that did make sense. I'm a GGG fan, but this is a complete bs fight & he should be above this. The only plan that made real sense to me is to push back the date to late May to early July & fight a real opponent. To many guys got this sorta mindset these days. I didn't think GGG was one of them. Floyd was entitled to fight Berto. In his mind he conquered his nemesis in Pac and stayed undefeated. As far as GG, Vanes is his opponent. We can talk until we're blue in the face...but his opponent is Vanes. To me it's a stay busy fight and either GG will face his mandatory, Saunders, or Canelo next.

Cuz thats what it sounded like you were basically saying to me. Thats why I keep clarifying it by asking you & you keep going deeper down the GGG rabbithole which is part of it, but not the whole thing I'm asking. I'm talking about P4P guys LIKE GGG (& sure GGG too), but all tip tip top guys. This isn't about the rest of the boxing world doe. This is a unique situation where GG lost out on millions and may possibly be stripped because of the selection and ranking of his opponent by a boxing organization who fails to act in the best interest of the champion. This man pays sanctioning fees for your title.

On the issue of compensation. Thats a good point as well, I saw later in the thread how it was viewed by the "gang" lol. So should a fighter be given a fight based on being wronged in another set of negotiations, like Canelo did to triple G, or remember when Haye pulled out two times against Fury? Some fields are tough that way, the most exclusive Real Estate Brokers can make upwards of six figures on a sale, but, all the time and money is for naught if, even at the very last minute something screws the sale up, at which point they do not get a dime. I think a fighter should have the option of fighting whom they want regardless because most fighters will want to fight the most competative and lucrative offer. No agency should have the right to tell a fighter for any reason to take a fight of less value. Often fighters avoid their mandatory for this very reason and I have always agreed with that decision. As a matter of fact, often taking the mandatory was an excuse for taking on a lesser opponent. So while Vlad always seemed to fight his mandatory many times Lewis would not and fight a young dangerous guy. With that said whether for compensation or otherwise, a fighter has the right to chart his destiny and not work for these groups. And that includes as a career move taking on a gimme if necessary.Well said. You lose motivation and millions of dollars, and now you should fight a top guy in place of a top guy? I came to this conclusion. Whatever choice GG makes ill be satisfied whether it's a softy or hard fight. Vanes is a good enough opponent for me because he likes when guys stay in front of him. Maybe he can find motivation and give GG a tough fight.

Well I said something & then you didn't say it exactly right back like I said it so I wasn't trying to say you said something you didn't hence using imply. I'm not even trying to talk GGG only doe. I'm saying in general 1 "real fight" vs a top ten guy a year is fine by you for a top ten P4P caliber guy like GGG? Personally I hold those P4P cats on a higher plain of existence in boxing, fairy or unfairly, & I think they should follow the examples of most guys before them & strive to fight the best as often as possible not just 1 guy a year. Boxing already takes forever to figure out who's #1. If more guys start doing the 1 real fight a year angle mfers gonna be dying before they find out who the best WW in the world is looooool. I'm confused as to why you keep asking me about this "1 real fight vs a top ten guy a year" thing. Where is this coming from?

Lmao. Good post and great analogy. On the issue of compensation. Thats a good point as well, I saw later in the thread how it was viewed by the "gang" lol. So should a fighter be given a fight based on being wronged in another set of negotiations, like Canelo did to triple G, or remember when Haye pulled out two times against Fury? Some fields are tough that way, the most exclusive Real Estate Brokers can make upwards of six figures on a sale, but, all the time and money is for naught if, even at the very last minute something screws the sale up, at which point they do not get a dime. I think a fighter should have the option of fighting whom they want regardless because most fighters will want to fight the most competative and lucrative offer. No agency should have the right to tell a fighter for any reason to take a fight of less value. Often fighters avoid their mandatory for this very reason and I have always agreed with that decision. As a matter of fact, often taking the mandatory was an excuse for taking on a lesser opponent. So while Vlad always seemed to fight his mandatory many times Lewis would not and fight a young dangerous guy. With that said whether for compensation or otherwise, a fighter has the right to chart his destiny and not work for these groups. And that includes as a career move taking on a gimme if necessary.

I like your approach, there is a hint of Socratic Irony... Lol. There are members who can give you a very compete analysis of alphabet soup RM... Like why the WBA demands this and this one demands that, but there is a more fundamental issue here which is why should any of these groups have the control they do over fighers? why do we need so many of these groups? The answer to your question is that any group, by the laws of social cohesion will fight to protect their interests. Its so fundamental that when Max Weber wrote about Burocracy he showed that this is what burocracy is... When no one can be responsible for something then no blame can attach and the group will be safe. These organizations never care about the greater good. They do not care about boxing, about A fighter... Do you remember the British Boxing Board? this group of imbeciles actually worked tirelessly to try to shut down what proved to be one of the best heavy weight fights in years...the grudge match between Haye and Chisora. All these groups will claim to work for integrity. Integrity of the sport, of the fans, of the fighters. Classic double speak. The best thing for boxing would be if half of these groups leapt off a cliff and made undisputed champion of a division mean something, but we don't see that happening. So I think you can surmise that your skeptacism regarding these actions is warranted. Government and institutional authority will always always always try to get into the affairs of ambitious, succesful individuals. New Jersey has tried for years to get together a bunch of hacks to assemble a state Martial Arts teaching license. Some states go into Black areas and demand that women who braid hair get a license! I am not an African American but I grew up in East Harlem and know enough to understand that braiding hair is an intimate skill set that binds together females of a household, much like cooking...what the fvk is the government doing getting involved, and making it a financial hardship for a woman to make a few bucks braiding hair? Its all the same sh11t RM. All the same. Lmao. Good post and great analogy.

answers to. 1) Why should GG be stripped for not fighting his mandatory when he wasn’t fighting his mandatory in the first place? 2) Why isn’t GG allowed to take a soft touch, fight his mandatory next and then the Canelo rematch? Am I missing something? I like your approach, there is a hint of Socratic Irony... Lol. There are members who can give you a very compete analysis of alphabet soup RM... Like why the WBA demands this and this one demands that, but there is a more fundamental issue here which is why should any of these groups have the control they do over fighers? why do we need so many of these groups? The answer to your question is that any group, by the laws of social cohesion will fight to protect their interests. Its so fundamental that when Max Weber wrote about Burocracy he showed that this is what burocracy is... When no one can be responsible for something then no blame can attach and the group will be safe. These organizations never care about the greater good. They do not care about boxing, about A fighter... Do you remember the British Boxing Board? this group of imbeciles actually worked tirelessly to try to shut down what proved to be one of the best heavy weight fights in years...the grudge match between Haye and Chisora. All these groups will claim to work for integrity. Integrity of the sport, of the fans, of the fighters. Classic double speak. The best thing for boxing would be if half of these groups leapt off a cliff and made undisputed champion of a division mean something, but we don't see that happening. So I think you can surmise that your skeptacism regarding these actions is warranted. Government and institutional authority will always always always try to get into the affairs of ambitious, succesful individuals. New Jersey has tried for years to get together a bunch of hacks to assemble a state Martial Arts teaching license. Some states go into Black areas and demand that women who braid hair get a license! I am not an African American but I grew up in East Harlem and know enough to understand that braiding hair is an intimate skill set that binds together females of a household, much like cooking...what the fvk is the government doing getting involved, and making it a financial hardship for a woman to make a few bucks braiding hair? Its all the same sh11t RM. All the same.

I'd argue thats a whole other thing although I still don't see why you don't push back the date & fight a real opponent vs have a fight no one cares about when you are the caliber GGG is. But still regardless of Canelo vs GGG you seem to imply a P4P caliber fighter only need to fight 1 legit guy a year unless I misunderstood you. I don't imply. I speak from the horses mouth Eff, and you have misunderstood me. It's ok though. Ill clarify in a nutshell. My main point is GG is trying to clean up this mess and this is what he gets, a possible title being stripped.