http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8237761/manny-pacquiao-bob-arum-talk-options-nov-10-fight
lol, Manny wants no part of a 154lb Cotto. I don't blame him.
those dictators are/were highly intelligent people tho.
Which is why most end up in exile or dead and why their countries are still in an impoverished state, right? Your standards for what qualifies as "intelligence" seems to be remarkably low.
can you say the same about floyd?
Indeed, inside the ring he's a quick thinker and semi-genius, outside the ring he's an astute business man with a carefully-crafted public personna. Very complex and nuanced individual with clear capabilities for higher levels of cognition. Pac by comparison gets duped both inside and outside (by Arum) the ring and seems very simple.
wrong...if theres anthying that people from the 3rd world hate more, they are ARROGANCE and IGNORANCE.
I guess that's why most 3rd world countries derive from historical dictatorships? :confused:
What is plain english?
It is "prescriptive" language, just like I implied above. Like I said, those who bring it up are ignorant and need to take a basic course in linguistics (or perhaps just graduate high school).
Dan Rafael says Peterson records have been looked at, and that Peterson will remain champ.
He is ordered to fight Zab Judah next.....
Which shows that the WBA chumps jumped the gun in pandering to A Mere Con.
Floyd is an ex-con < Pac is congressman
Calling Floyd an "ex-con" is just hyperbolic rhetoric meant to have a stinging effect. Even if I did bite, politicians are about as dumb as many ex-cons are and many are cons themselves or crooks who aren't penalized for their crimes. Adultery is a crime in the Philippines so Manny SHOULD be an ex-con (case and point). Try again.
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Floyd has lame soda < Pac has Nike, KFC, HP, etc..
Yet with all those endorsements Pac still makes less money. Yep, real smart.:rolleyes:
Floyd beats women < Pac loves women
And he also uses and cheats on women, not to mention he's a former drunk, adulterer, and current homophobe so he clearly doesn't love everybody.
Floyd HS dropout < Pac degree in Business Management
Yet he doesn't manage his own business and gets screwed by Arum so his 3rd world degree is worthless. Money shook Arum, turned himself into the most financially viable boxer of all time, and is already doing big things with TMT. Yep, great comparison.
Floyd the most hated boxer < Pac the most loved boxer
Who "hates" Mayweather and why? It is part of his money-making personna which is indeed quite calculated and hence, smart. Pac's simplistic ass has no personality and displays no signs of life, let alone intellect. Not to mention he's a religious fundamentalist drone. A follower who lacks critical thinking skills. Other followers are drawn to that.
Floyd accomplishments <<<< Pac accomplishments
I strongly disagree. I believe Floyd's accomplishments over the long duree sh1t of Pac's, who just had a great run over the past several years. Not to mention Pac's run is tarnished by him nitpicking and draining all of his larger opponents at catch weights.
Floyd threw his father outa his house and fvck him in national tv < Pac forgave and reunited with his father after leaving his young children to feed off themselves.
Who cares? Given the different personal circumstances this means absolutely nothing and appeals again to that religious, "turn the other cheek" crap which everybody can't always subscribe to. Join the real world child.
Floyd giving away his money to casinos and gambling < Pac using his own money to help the poor in the Philippines
I'm confused because I hear a lot about Mayweather giving to charities and feeding the homeless (he even has his own foundation) but nothing of the sort when it comes to Pac.
do I still need to continue here No you really don't. I know you thought this little write up was compelling but you really just come across as a self-righteous fanboy.
Does he have the capability to handle calm and civil discussions where disagreements and posturing for position are an everyday fact of life?
Probably not, though why this matters is beyond me, he's a fantastic boxer.
man , you mentined the dictators tho as to why leaders in 3rd world counties dont need to be intelligent and it was a fail given these people are usually highly intelligent..
But I still disagree. In what ways did they display characteristics of what you call "intelligence"?
based on what? based on the categories i just gave you...have you heard floyd anwer simple questions? ...the guy is a dingbat
What does answering questions a certain way have to do with any cerebral process? If you asked him in a different way he'd be able to answer more fluently. Language is merely about a sign and a signifier, nothing else. People who equate prescriptive language with intelligence are ignorant (I won't say "unintelligent"). PAc is the same way and if you can't speak Tagalog or Tagalog slang, how can you compare?
That said, based on what?
go read on fidel, marcos, khaddafi, mao and chavez and find out for yourself..
with the bold, ..a lot, it's actually the unviversal way to test intelligence..and the questions being thrwon around at floyd are simple questions yet the guy is horrible at answering them
Education and intelligence are not one and the same. They are trained in mastering prescriptive language, Floyd is not. It is NOT a universal way to test intelligence, and no psychologist will contend such. You are making sh1t up, I assure you.
According to this logic, Floyd is much more intelligent than Manny because at least he's coherent while Manny can barely speak english. And I say "according to this logic" because that would be a stupid argument but it is essentially what you are saying. At the end of the day, I'm getting caught up in a ridiculous discussion that has nothing to do with boxing so I think i'll leave it on that note.
Intelligence has been defined in many different ways- including, but not limited to abstract thought, understanding, self-awareness, communication, reasoning, learning, having emotional knowledge, retaining, planning, and problem solving.
I don't care about the different aspects of such a subjective term. We all should have some basic understanding of psychological theory. The point is that being a politician, especially of a third world country speaks very little to intelligence.
based on those, floyd is bordeline retarded..and definitely a full pledged idiot
Based on what? You lost me. ANyways, I see no evidence that Manny is more intelligent than Floyd if that's where this whole thing is going. No evidence whatsoever.
He's a laughing stock for people that know about the catch weights and not taking the test thing...
The money(box office,Advertisements) he makes is mainly from the very casual boxing fan
I love Manny but he along with many other modern day boxers but his management has let him down
The man in your avatar is the most respected present day boxer to the proper boxing fans but i bet half the people that watch Manny's fight don't even know his name .. He will fight anyone ,anywhere and anytime
I just can't get over the catchweight demands and he has lost major respect... and i find it hard to believe that he doesn't know he drains opposition
Indeed, Manny = the catch weight king.
Floyd is already president to you low-IQ inner city kids who think it's better to "hustle" drugs instead of staying in school, so comparing that to a third world country kinda makes sense. Do you get it now?
I also laughed at you calling Floyd a businessman. Philthy Rich and Lottery Soda, enough said.
lol @ the racial undertones of this post (this is the same racist scum who called FM sr a "gorilla"). Your wit has failed you and has caused you to rely on crude formulaic stereotypes because your mind is dull. Just like your corny jokes.
Anyways, yes I call Floyd a "business" man because he dumped Arum and made himself into the most financially successful boxer of all time and is now posturing to take over the game with TMT. Goes without saying. YOur pinnoy idol on the other hand is a puppet of Arum and Roach, never makes his own decisions and has been fvcked over financially on numerous occasions. Clearly your racial stereotypes fail because Manny sucks at math.:)
i can't support Peterson if he had a legitimate reason to take testosterone he should've came clean before hand and explained his situation.
Yet according to an independent medical review he DID have a legit excuse (no "ifs") and it gave him no advantage, so why explain anything? It's his business; between him and his doctor.
low? dead or in exile does'nt mean not intellligent.....low standards is claiming floyd can be a respectable person
Intelligence involves foresight and a high level of management capability. A dictator is the opposite of that. They are puppets of their predecessors. Revolutionaries have always been the most creative, innovative, and intelligent.
Anyways, I never claimed "Floyd was a respectable person", I don't even know him but certain things that he does (like feed homeless and give to charity) I do respect. Other things I find questionable but I do not judge when I don't know full details.
Ward did beat froch, but he never got his fans or his popularity. It seemed like the whole fight he was Hoping for Froch to lose, you could tell by the way he was talking. Do you think he is jealous of his fanbase?LOL, you youngstas on here kill me. Why in the world does Ward need to be jealous? Yes, Froch is popular in the UK but Ward's decision to fight in the U.S. demonstrates how much he places value in that backwater of a country. At the end of the day, outside of being PC Ward doesn't care about UK fans and it is clear that he is fighting for legacy.
On top of that, the guy is clearly more intelligent than Froch in every aspect. Given his projected longevity due to the lack of wars he's getting into, as well as his demeanor and articulate speech, he also has a much longer and definite career outside of boxing. Froch will be punch drunk and his legacy will never hold a candle stick to Ward's.
Please...:rolleyes:
I'm really trying to wrap my head around it. He hasn't ducked anyone, has pretty much cleaned out his division, can't understand the hate. They talk about his clinching, which is an exaggeration but let me say this, why was Bika able to cope with Ward better than Kessler? I think the answer is obvious, Bika wasn't afraid to throw down in the pocket.
At the end of the day we must realize that on this site we are dealing mostly with teenagers and loyal fanatics. Many lack the skill of critically analyzing a boxing match within a purely "sweet science" framework. They invoke all of these crazy intangibles that have nothing to do with who's the better fighter.
If the argument is who's the better fighter. The answer is WARD by a landslide. Better person? Who cares, but even that argument doesn't present any clear choices.
One must ask themselves, what are we arguing here, and why does it matter?
Greatest of all-time has as much to do with the career achievements, as it has to do with ability, where as the best of all time is strictly a measure of ability. No doubt is my mind, the best boxer to ever lace them up was Roy Jones Jr.
Mayweather is better. I value intelligence over physical attributes, even though Mayweather possesses both and isn't far behind prime Roy in the latter department.
LMFAO i laughed cause it true.
^You people are idots. if being a loser means being the highest paid athlete and lack of respect means being rated #1 by everyone concerned with everyone looking to fight you, then I'd love to be a disrespected loser. If you say that from the perspective of a frail, insignificant fanboy behind a computer then I understand. :)
LMAO, the aim of this thread is clearly to save face for Pacquiao and his brutal knock out. Marquez turned Pac-man into:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110106222816/pacman/images/3/37/Ms._Pac-Man_Cover.jpg
I only saw the first 4 rounds of the fight (DAMN IT!)
My new girl was walking to my house and two fucks on bicycles snatched her bag and took off... poor girl just got the new iPhone days ago.. so I had to go make a report and all that shit.. and I was saying to myself WHY ME, WHY NOW?!
Anyhow...
Mayweather in no way can apply that type of pressure Margarito did last night.. from what I saw... Margarito kept on coming and coming.. taking monstrous shots from Cotto but still kept coming forward....
Can any of you see Mayweather do it? NO WAY!
I see the trio the following way...
Cotto > Mayweather
Mayweather > Margarito
and as proven last night Margarito > Cotto (Have to see the full fight though before I can say Cotto loses again in a rematch)
I see Mayweather has the style to avoid Margarito's punches.. running, picking his shots and cruising to a UD. But Cotto has the skills and way too much power to let Mayweather get off the hook.
LOL!! Cotto gets knocked out and somehow this is an indication that he'd have beaten Mayweather? WOW... I see the lame stupidity on this site is still as vibrant as ever.
Let's see... Cotto was beat my Marg, Marg was beat by Williams, Williams was beat by Quintana, Quintana was beat by Cotto, and then it keeps going in a circle. Floyd owns all!!
He quit awfully quick as well. He got knocked down once and didn't want it anymore. I agree, he may have to question himself quite a bit after this fight..
Let me stop.. I wish I could take back my vote after some consideration. I think Margarito's was more impressive, though Mayweather's check hook was more entertaining of a finish. I misconscrewed the question..
Good Fight from margarito but Williams will tear him up in a rematch.. Williams overcame adversity and defeated Quintana impressively in 1 round in the rematch..
he has a whole lot of confidence coming into the margarito Rematch, he would chew marg up and spit him out.. Why you ask? marg can't fight boxers, Cotto stayed in too long and traded he isn't a pure boxer. Williams already exposed last year with he's boxing capabilities and he's going to finish the job..
PLAIN AND BASIC COMMON SENSE
Agreed... Margarito just can't change his style. Nothing different will come about a rematch. Just another UD in favor of Paul Williams, who is now the rightful air..
.........to fight Floyd Mayweather. ROFL........of course that's just my biased, Floyd Mayweather fan opinion.
I agree with this assessment for this reason..
Cotto lost to Marg, Marg lost to Williams, Williams lost to Quintana, Quintana lost to Cotto, Cotto lost to Marg, Marg lost to Williams, Williams lost to Quintana, Quintana lost to Cotto, Cotto lost to Marg, Marg lost to Williams, Williams lost to Quintana, Quintana lost to Cotto, Cotto lost to Marg, Marg lost to Williams, Williams lost to Quintana, Quintana lost to Cotto...
Floyd lost to no one............ #1 forever and such current events only validate that.
Did you guys hear what he said?! hahahaha
If thers anyone that can tell Floyd how it REALLY is... its HBO, on Live national television
Kellerman is a dick. I see why Mayweather said the commentators are biased against him. Calling out a retired hall of famer.. Shame on Max.
i knew he was gonna win, even though i was like 2 ahahahha
That's what I was thinking, he's asking a bunch of teenagers this question. I don't remember that fight live and have been an avid and PERSISTENT boxing fan for 10 years (the fight was 11 years ago).