Here comes the b i t c h P4P. Fight him like Mayweather did, at his BEST IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT THE 154 CHAMPION, YOU FIGHT HIM AT 154.
Fast hands.. little Cojones.
Cottos defense improved alot against floyd, floyd i dont think floyd landed a clean pull counter the whole fight, i still think pac would win this but who knows
I could see Cotto beating Pacquiao or at least being more competitive, putting aside the catchweight people overlook the fact that he didn't have a proper coach in that fight and went in with the wrong tactics. If he shows lateral movements and tries boxing behind his jab he is more than capable of frustrating Pacquiao.
Should they fight it should be at 154lb and Cotto should push random drug testing.
I'll pay to see that
Yes Pac's skills has diminish a bit..But so have Cotto's,imo even more so then Pac's...
Goes without saying , hasnt every major long time pro skills diminished , thats the thing they are all sliding not just Manny , people are trying to infer Manny has slipped but the others are all the same or better , they are turning a given for all career elite fighters into a potential Manny excuse !
of course its a matter of opinion. You initially said that he has a style advantage over Cotto though yet you haven't explained how. You also don't seem to acknowledge that Pacquiao isn't as fast, powerful, nor does he have the same stamina as he did when he first fought Cotto.
Yes Pac's skills has diminish a bit..But so have Cotto's,imo even more so then Pac's...
of course its a matter of opinion. You initially said that he has a style advantage over Cotto though yet you haven't explained how. You also don't seem to acknowledge that Pacquiao isn't as fast, powerful, nor does he have the same stamina as he did when he first fought Cotto.
Could that be because Cotto was drained , no stamina , no resistance , no snap ,,,, all classic signs of weight draining , I wonder what Cotto was talking about when he said " I will never sacrifice my body like that again for another boxer " ,,, then just to add a little more evidence Manny refuses to fight him without another CW that forces him down , why force him to 145 then , but now its 150 , why not 147 then and 154 now , Manny and his manipulation of weight lol .
Manny was exactly the same with JMM in all their fights , it makes me laugh when people say Manny is not the same , well JMM proved thats exactly what he is , the same without CWs that drain guys ,,, think about it , stops a drained CWed Oscar and Cotto and struggles life and death with JMM and Bradley who would get blown out of the water by healthy ODH and Cotto ,
What is the difference really ,,, Catch Weights that drained Oscar and Cotto thats what .
That's a matter of opinion tho,Pac clearly has the edge in footwork and speed..I always thought Cotto to be a power puncher,but he lacks the stamina(when fighting Championship caliber fighters)to sustain that for a full 12rds...Pac does imo..of course its a matter of opinion. You initially said that he has a style advantage over Cotto though yet you haven't explained how. You also don't seem to acknowledge that Pacquiao isn't as fast, powerful, nor does he have the same stamina as he did when he first fought Cotto.
HeroBrando, let me try again. When trying to bring Cotto down to 143lbs, was that not to try and make him less effective?
As stated, Pacquiao doesn't HAVE to make 154lbs, so the catchweight is not for his health. It, again, is about minimizing any possible advantage Cotto could have. If the first result had nothing to do with weight, then why not fight at the 154lbs limit, Pacquiao can come at whatever is comfortable for him (remember, he's been entering the ring at 145lbs since Marquez II, surely around the 150lbs mark won't affect him). If the guys are too big, don't seek the fights. Same goes for Cotto.
Sure, i concede that. Do you concede he's not trying to make Cotto less effective by offering 150?
I already explained why he doesn't want Cotto at 154: he doesn't want to fight ANYONE above 147, he found his weight hopping limit, clearly his stamina is suffering the closer he is to 150. It's a slippery slope, if he fights a blown up welter at 154, he'll next be expected to answer the callouts of true super welters, guys that'll outweigh him by 25lbs fight night. That can be dangerous, not just in boxing terms.
HeroBrando, let me try again. When trying to bring Cotto down to 143lbs, was that not to try and make him less effective?
As stated, Pacquiao doesn't HAVE to make 154lbs, so the catchweight is not for his health. It, again, is about minimizing any possible advantage Cotto could have. If the first result had nothing to do with weight, then why not fight at the 154lbs limit, Pacquiao can come at whatever is comfortable for him (remember, he's been entering the ring at 145lbs since Marquez II, surely around the 150lbs mark won't affect him). If the guys are too big, don't seek the fights. Same goes for Cotto.
Did Pacquiao have a style advantage over Cotto in the first or did he just overwhelm Cotto with his explosiveness and power? When Cotto boxed Pacquiao on the outside he was had some obvious success. Cotto's problem in the first fight was that h couldn't deal with the speed and power. If they were to fight now I think that we could see a totally different fight, especially at 54. Cotto would be more comfortable weight-wise and Pacquiao is obviously not as explosive or powerful. Skills wise, I don't think that Pacquiao can match Cotto.
That's a matter of opinion tho,Pac clearly has the edge in footwork and speed..I always thought Cotto to be a power puncher,but he lacks the stamina(when fighting Championship caliber fighters)to sustain that for a full 12rds...Pac does imo..
good post .. but people shouldn't bring up Cotto and Marg.. thats a one off for Cotto because he hated Marg... Pac requests catchweight fights every single fight since 2008
Did you miss Cotto looking to fight wbo interim middle champ at 156?
You don't think Cotto would get more redemption by beating Marg without the additional handicap, the eye was not enough?
Pac requested catchweights for Cotto 1 and Marg. For Cotto 2 he first offer a non cw, then Cotto's preferred weight. I know Pac haters can be bad with numbers, but I thought they'd be good with single digits. You coulda counted that with your fingers, you know?
I don't agree with what Cotto did either. As champ, he gave out some pretty low-handed conditions to Margarito. Only thing I can think for that was that it was pretty personal. Can't be proved, but Marg could've ruined Cotto IF (can't be proved at all, mind you) he cheated in that fight too. I saw that as payback for Cotto. Was it right? No, not at all, but I guess he learned from the best.
Now that I've addressed that point, address mine directly. Was it not the case that even ASKING for the catchweight showed motives of trying to make Cotto less effective?
At 150, no disadvantage, Cotto's actions prove it. At 147, yes, Cotto would probably be drained. Not even sure, since real drainers at welter are well over 160 fight night. But it's a simple principle: Pac doesn't wanna fight above 147 at all, which you can't have a problem with. If Cotto doesn't want it at 147 or 150 or whatever, he passes on the offer, big deal.
I agree they should stop trying to fight him if neither side wants to be flexible. With Pac at least its on a general principle, with Cotto it's more situational. But you don't see 1 Pac quote there, it's all Arum speaking and giving you the straight dope: Cotto is the biggest money fight available, and Arum wants in on the Cotto action again. Why shouldn't he, he might be a lot of things but he knows promoting.