Thirsty broads. This supposedly happened two years ago and she's just now saying something? The judge would probably laugh in her face because he knows exactly what she wants.
Neither on the list. If you could turn someone like Errol Spence Jr. Or Terrance Crawford into trash talkers, then you'd probably have your answer. Both have super star potential in terms of skill, they just need to appeal to the general public. Keep in mind that Mayweather was not always flashy. When he first came out, he was just as mild mannered as Crawford. Then his people told him how much more money he could make if he make a few "changes" .
He didn't say the next mayweather...but who will floyd fight next,lol...i read threads wrong sometimes too
Lol my bad y'all. I read it COMPLETELY wrong:lol1:
The way he "boxes" is not what most people have in mind when they hear that word. His trainer John David Jackson is very smart and he fought and trained B-Hop in the past, they know what they're doing.
He was also dominated and knocked out by Hopkins. Doesn't really say much about the knowledge he has of him.
thats just dumb. just because you dont have the talent to beat someone doesnt mean you dont have the know how, jackson didnt have any of the tools that make kovalev the fighter he is.
sharing a ring with someone then spending about 10 years in someones camp is going to help you pick up on things which in turn will give you an advantage. knowing how your opponent thinks, how he trains and how he operates in every aspect of his profession.
thing is hopkins is smart too and he knows how JDJ thinks as well. none the less the bigger advantage is with JDJ and kovalev.
Your last sentence my friend, is what I would define as dumb. For some reason, a trainer that has trained the opponent that his fighter is fighting never does any better, at least the fights that I've witnessed. They were saying the same bs when Rios was fighting Pacquaio and that Ariza was suppose to supposedly give Rios some key information that would lead to a victory. Hopkins clearly has the advantage in terms of what I'll call "pre fight research". He's been down this road plenty of times, and have been studying Kovalev ever since he came on the scene. There's a reason why he's taking this fight. Just as was the case with Trinidad, Pavlik, Pacal, Tarver ect, he's sees a pure puncher that he can outsmart, and that has not had his stamina tested in the late rounds. Also, you may wanna check your facts. John David Jackson was hired on for the Tarver fight and was there for the Calzaghe fight. Nothing suggests that he was in Hopkins camp for anywhere near 10 years. A few fights, would be more accurate.
He has a lot more to prove before we can say that about him vs Pacquaio but Valero is highly possible. People for some reason don't realize that the best fighter that he beat was Tony Demarco, who Broner beat in arguebally better fashion. I'm not sure where the all time great status came from.
In a fight where a great prospect rose to the occasion, people are worried about his nipples and stomach. Yup, the exact same nsb as years ago when i left but more suspect.
Half-brother; he is Mayweather Sr. son.
I remember when that article first came out. He looks just like Floyd. http://http://www.fighthype.com/images/content/justinmayweatherjones.jpg
http://https://www.google.com/search?q=justin+jones+mayweather&hl=en-US&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Pv6DU46vCeK_sQTKzYLoDQ&ved=0CCQQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=eVvQ6SgTb5HvMM%253A%3BSj4ljNhqBVWzjM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.fighthype.com%252Fimages%252Fcontent%252Fjustinmayweatherjones.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.fighthype.com%252Fnews%252Farticle14588.html%3B200%3B250Half-brother; he is Mayweather Sr. son.
Leonard was bigger, stronger, faster, more dynamic, and had the far superior experience against inarguably the greatest assembly of welterweights in history. Leonard by decision or late stoppage. Judah, Corely, and Mosley rocked Mayweather. Unlike those guys, when Leonard smelled blood, he went for the kill and ended it and clearly had more power than those guys.
We wont even go into the damage that Hearns would do to Floyd. Hearns would have face-planted Floyd for the full count.
Floyd has never even fought anyone near the level of Benitez. Even 10-title defense champion Jose Pipino Cuevas hit way harder than anyone Floyd has ever fought. Floyd might have decisioned Cuevas but if Cuevas had landed some of those punches that broke jaws, eye sockets, and collar bones, then the punches Mosely, Judah, and Corley landed that hurt Floyd would have felt like love taps by comparison.
I think Floyd was the best of his generation, but I agree with everything you said. I have a hard time picking ANY welter over Leonard prime for prime at 147 (on his best day). I think he and Robinson would even split wins and a 3rd fight would be 50/50.
Everyone has a shot, especially Garcia with the kind of power that he has. He's one of the biggest hitters in the sport right now. I see Tank coming out on top, but he may have to get up off the canvas first.
No, Garcia would go up to 147 for that fight. He's going to be at 140 sooner than later anyways. He's a big boy gaining his man strength right now.
How long do people expect Pac to be in the game? Lol the man has already been in the game 25+ years (more than Garcia's age himself). From you're saying, this fight isn't even possible till a few more years till Garcia settles into the weight. I just can't see the fight happening with this scenario.
Floyds prime was below 147. That doesn't mean he wasn't an elite, legit pound for pound number 1 fighter at or above 147, it just means that the best version of him (which is what prime means) was below welterweight. He's that good. But to compare his condition to Cotto (knocked out 2x before fighting Floyd) Pacquaio (knocked out brutally and was in tough fights just before fighting Floyd) Marquez, who's prime was closer to feather weight than welter, as evidence that Floyd was equally past his prime as the above is kinda ridiculous.
Floyd was much closer to his prime than they were and it s not close. The literal age of a fighter means nothing. Hopkins was still in his prime in his mid to late 30s and so was fighters like Glen Johnson etc, different fighters peak at different times and those opponents Floyds that I named, were either knocked out brutally or in several wars just prior to Floyd.
Really you just need to look at his competition back then compared to now.
Also look how he struggled at who he fought and beat compared to how dominant he looks now.
Do you see today's Nell struggling with trout or not koing a 40 year old ssm?
He was as green as green tea, as green as hulk
I actually do lol Mosley has never been knocked out in his career and has one of the best resumes ever (and chins). And Canelo obviously struggles with slick boxers anyway. The better question is, what other top level slick boxer has Canelo fought besides Floyd where it wasn't controversial? Canelo IMO is a technical boxer by nature, I don't think any version of him would turn into an all out pressure fighter and go after Floyd for 12 rounds. He'd have to change his whole style.
Does it matter?
Because in all these hypothetical matchups it always comes down to the following.
Mayweather chose not to take a tough fight that people saw as 50/50 and instead chose to avoid that fighter until he had seen enough decline.
So these "hypothetical " match ups never could happen even in fantasy
Cotto was actually peaking in 07 when Floyd retired after the Hatton fight. Some may say it was intentional, as that retirement came in the year the division what at its hottest in years. He may have wanted to wait till the smoke cleared (which it definitely was by the time he fought them). It was the year Williams and Margarito fought, Clottey was lingering etc. It was a great division.
Actually, Floyd fought Cotto right after Cotto dominated Margarito in their rematch and was likely feeling far better that he avenged that loss. Pacquiao was also rejuvinating himself following the Marquez loss. Floyd himself was involved in a war with Marcos Maidana before this. I agree on Marquez, Floyd should have made the 147 weight cut, though Marquez did have his career defining performance at Welterweight.
I meant that the accumulative effect of those earlier fights, definitely damaged Cotto, his skin was never the same and his punch resistance (which was better after he moved up and quit draining himself at 140), was no where near the same. Compare the prime Cotto that blasted Quintana in his welter debut and out boxed Mosley, to the one that Floyd fought that faded down the stretch, cut etc.
I agree that they both were on decent streaks and were formidable while fighting Floyd. My only point was that they were past their prime, and Floyd was much closer to his than vice versa.
Although I think Loma was sorta there for the taking at 135, it's still hard for me to pick against the most proven guy at lightweight.
Most proven doesn't always mean best. We don't know how Lopez does vs a slick counter puncher with good movement yet. I think it'll be a chess match but what if Lopez gets beat to the punch?
Been a while since I seen the fight, but I remember Cotto's jab pestering Floyd a bit and busting his nose with it, and this was Cotto post Margarito and Pac beatings. I think the Cotto that smoked Quintana and out boxed Mosley, would be in a 50/50 fight vs Floyd. People forget that before those beatings (with 1 being questionable with Margarito), Cottos punch resistance was a lot better and he didn't fade down the stretch as bad or cut so easily. He was more consistent in the ring
BTW- Pacquaio was knocked out several times before 2003, when he would elevate his standing against Barrera in a very good fight. A fighter isn't defined by their losses, but how they bounce back, which is what both Paxquiao and Cotto did before they fought floyd
And did you see those early Pac knockouts in his earlier losses? Lol One looked like an absolute dive and the other was a body shot. Those aren't the kind of fights typically, that take years off of a fighters career. He was completely out cold vs Marquez and concussed.
Andrade considering his talent. When he first came out, I thought (and still do to some degree) that no one can touch him around his weight class. He's that skilled. Russell and Thurman at least stepped up at some point. Andrade's management is not great
I think Cotto pre Margarito and Pac stoppages has a serious shot at beating Floyd (especially considering the success he already had), as well as Williams.
I think Prime Manny would have been able to hit Floyd a lot more consistently.
Which version of Manny would be prime enough to beat Floyd? Prime Manny IMO would be at the lower weights to me. Floyd would always have a size advantage since hes bigger/taller etc.
Pacquaio didn't have the style to beat Floyd at any point the fight had a chance of happening. If Marquez gave Manny that many problems, Floyd is that x10 and I'm no where near a Floyd fanatic. Just a realist.
I think Marquez was willing to stick his chin in there. I don't think Floyd fights like that.
That would be to Floyd's benefit IMO. Marquez was a master technician but he sometimes had a very leaky defense unlike Floyd. Floyd was bigger than Marquez, faster, better counter puncher with better movement/legs and speed. I've never seen Floyd dropped at all, let alone 3 times in the same round and I'm a Marquez fan too.
Floyd did retire, or went on vacation when the division was hot for two years.
Its something to be said when a prime fighter 30 yrs old takes himself out of the equation when all of those guys are prime and at their most lethal beating each other up. How do you excuse that.
The Manny/Floyd who ducked who debate it is what it is. Everybody here pretty much knows how everybody stands on that, and there is enough information out there for anyone to research and come up with their own conclusion.
I don't buy the Oscar was shot excuse. Oscar, Cotto, Hatton.. Manny was up, down, in, out, left, right with a speed/power nobody seen before. He was like the Efren Reyes (legendary Philippino pool player) of boxing. straight had those guys befuddled but unlike Floyd he went in for the kill.
He just old fashioned lined those guys up and beat the brakes off of all of them to generate high interest. Many guys did far less than Manny and Floyd made fights quicker with like Ortiz Guerrero and Marco's Madonna they hadn't done half of what Manny was doing. But Floyd played it somewhat smart he wanted everybody to focus on Manny being a drug cheat but the truth in the ring yeah Manny had good pop but it was really about the odd angles he was coming from at the speed he was doing it from the southpaw stance. It was clear to me Floyd just wasn't confident enough in 2009 and cooked up scheme after scheme to avoid those problems. Until Manny got ko'd of course.
Manny/Marquez for the hardcore boxing fan that was a match made in heaven. You just always have that one guy who is a style mismatch and for Manny it was Marquez. Marquez got the ko after 4 hard tough fights good for him Manny is still 2-1-1. Marquez was willing from day one to stick his chin in there with Manny. Floyd and Marquez don't fight nothing alike. Floyd just wants easy fights where he can run potshot clinch and steal rounds.
At ww I can't say much about Floyd because yeah it's easy to look super great against a bunch of slow, flat footed come forward guys with no reach who the first time they get hit they in retreat mode. It's just a totally different set of circumstances when you hit a guy and he is tough enough to take the shot and fast enough to hit you back.
I definitely think Floyd was avoiding fire when he retired, but I still don't see any way Pacquaio beats Floyd. I think a younger Pacquaio makes it more competitive, but still loses. You say Pac had slowed down but Mayweather's legs and movement hasn't been the same since he stepped foot at welter. You also say Pacquaio was "up and down" way more before Marquez stopped him. That's because those fighters were either stationary targets or hittable. Neither fighter had a defense or ring IQ comparable to that of Mayweather and the closest one (Marquez) knocked him out and pretty much split the series with him in all honesty. You say Floyd fought slow footed fighters, I don't see a lot of slick boxers of Mannys resume to be honest. Closest thing would be Marquez and their overall head to head record is deceptive. Most people thought Marquez won the first fight and at least one other in the series before the last fight.
That Floyd and Marquez fight nothing alike is true, especially because Floyd does every single thing better than he does. And If you couldn't see that Oscar was a dead man walking against Pac, I literally don't have anything else to say. He fought in a division that he hadn't fought in for about 7 years. Just look at how his body looked.
Can't believe I'm actually defending Floyd lol