2008 Cotto vs. Mayweather

Cotto would have beat his ass and May knows it.

Floyd still making ass cheeks sore around here, huh?

Whos the girl in your avi? For research purpose How am I suppose to talk boxing when that beautiful woman is flirting with ME? U guys see it right? Briana Smith Cotto make floyd bloodied and that was a past prime bloated cotto imagine if that was a 2008 version of cotto? Floyd would not only be bloodied but probably ko. LMAO, Floyd would've been 31 in 2008 and just off beating De La Hoya too. Nope...even Floyd said Cotto was one of his toughest fights. It was competitive not sure what fight you watched but Floyd did not "wash" anybody in that fight... You dont get jabbed in the mouth 3 times in a row when you "wash" somebody. Something tells me you think Obama was a good president too... Floyd said Emmanuel Agustus was his toughest fight. You think a prime version of him beats him?

You don't have to not like Floyd to just keep it a buck and say when a prime, undefeated Cotto called him out, Floyd was either retired or on vacation for 2 years, and obviously didn't hear the phone, and by the time Floyd did hear it, Cotto was already mangled by Manny and Margarito. Floyd did a good enough job of lessoning the validity of his own career by the choices he made. Not his haters. FACT. Floyd also avoided Cotto by saying "Cotto is too green..." Maybe he was still coping with the loss to Castillo.

:lol1: Cotto did not give Floyd a very tough fight. There's not a single person who thought the fight was in doubt, even Puerto Ricans. Floyd washed him and would've washed him in any era. Nope...even Floyd said Cotto was one of his toughest fights. It was competitive not sure what fight you watched but Floyd did not "wash" anybody in that fight... You dont get jabbed in the mouth 3 times in a row when you "wash" somebody. Something tells me you think Obama was a good president too...

It has no bearing on his ranking what so ever. He is higher than top 30 on many polls. Top 15-25. You seem to think being ranked one of the top 15-25 boxers of all time is a bad thing. That is just stupid. Then you’re making some ridiculous claim that fighting and beating 2 guys earlier than he did beat them and beating a dude that will not make the hof would somehow elevate him into the top 10. That is asinine. No, beating all those guys in their prime and all the guys he ducked absolutely would. You seem to think that barely outpointing a faded Cotto, Shane and Manny is something special, when we had already seen them get ravaged by other fighters. Floyd had the potential to be at best top 10-15. Definitely right next to Srr and Srl at ww but he took his foot off the gas with too many cherrypicks. He tried to cherrypick his way to top tier goat status but it's not happening. Look at Cotto. Floyd bypassed fighting a prime undefeated Miguel Cotto calling him out to fight because he was still on vacation, but oops somehow vacation was over and he was available for a lightweight Juan Marquez. That's why nobody in their right mind would put Floyd no higher than eh 25-30. Too much cherrypicking. Floyd definitely is #1 in the cherrypickers hall of fame though.

I don't care what reason Duran has for going up to 160 and 168 and beating guys. It serves as another reason why Floyd isn't no higher than top 30 all time. Floyd was not willing to take the necessary risks. It has no bearing on his ranking what so ever. He is higher than top 30 on many polls. Top 15-25. You seem to think being ranked one of the top 15-25 boxers of all time is a bad thing. That is just stupid. Then you’re making some ridiculous claim that fighting and beating 2 guys earlier than he did beat them and beating a dude that will not make the hof would somehow elevate him into the top 10. That is asinine.

Been a while since I seen the fight, but I remember Cotto's jab pestering Floyd a bit and busting his nose with it, and this was Cotto post Margarito and Pac beatings. I think the Cotto that smoked Quintana and out boxed Mosley, would be in a 50/50 fight vs Floyd. People forget that before those beatings (with 1 being questionable with Margarito), Cottos punch resistance was a lot better and he didn't fade down the stretch as bad or cut so easily. He was more consistent in the ring

Does it matter? Because in all these hypothetical matchups it always comes down to the following. Mayweather chose not to take a tough fight that people saw as 50/50 and instead chose to avoid that fighter until he had seen enough decline. So these "hypothetical " match ups never could happen even in fantasy Cotto was actually peaking in 07 when Floyd retired after the Hatton fight. Some may say it was intentional, as that retirement came in the year the division what at its hottest in years. He may have wanted to wait till the smoke cleared (which it definitely was by the time he fought them). It was the year Williams and Margarito fought, Clottey was lingering etc. It was a great division.

Now you’re just being dumb for argument sake. You’re like the idiots in this board that criticize hagler, bhop or ggg for staying in shape and not going up. Duran went up for the same reason Broner fights at 147, over indulging in cocaine, beer and food make it hard for you to maintain your weight. If you use staying in shape and not gaining weight to criticize Floyd for not moving to MW you’re an imbecile. I don't care what reason Duran has for going up to 160 and 168 and beating guys. It serves as another reason why Floyd isn't no higher than top 30 all time. Floyd was not willing to take the necessary risks.

So, by your logic, if a non in shape former lightweight like Duran can climb that high and beat champs, again, what is in shape Floyd's excuse. I'm sorry man this has got to be one of the biggest excuses somebody made for Floyd to date. Now you’re just being dumb for argument sake. You’re like the idiots in this board that criticize hagler, bhop or ggg for staying in shape and not going up. Duran went up for the same reason Broner fights at 147, over indulging in cocaine, beer and food make it hard for you to maintain your weight. If you use staying in shape and not gaining weight to criticize Floyd for not moving to MW you’re an imbecile.

Cotto make floyd bloodied and that was a past prime bloated cotto imagine if that was a 2008 version of cotto? Floyd would not only be bloodied but probably ko. So do you think Floyd in 2008 was the same as Floyd in 2012?

Floyd won 8/4 and had trouble early. I seem to remember Cotto bloodying him up. Mayweather eventually took it too him and took over the fight but Cotto was competitive. Sickens me when people make it out like Mayweather “washed him” just like when they suggest he “washed” Pacquiao Exactly. It was a competitive fight and to say otherwise is just disrespectful to Cotto. As for 2008, I think we see a fight similar to what we witnessed in 2012 but a half-step faster. Both would have been lighter on their feet and I see a highly competitive fight for 7-8 rounds until Floyd takes over with superior stamina.

if a past prime cotto and already destroyed by pac and margarito gave floyd a very tough fight then a 2008 would have easily beat floyd. So you think Floyd in 2008 was the same as Floyd in 2012?

Duran went to mw and smw because he didn’t keep himself in shape. You are basically criticizing Floyd for being in shape and not partying, eating and drinking his way to bigger weight classes like Duran. . So, by your logic, if a non in shape former lightweight like Duran can climb that high and beat champs, again, what is in shape Floyd's excuse. I'm sorry man this has got to be one of the biggest excuses somebody made for Floyd to date.

Credible polls are people whose boxing history starts and ends with Floyd. Floyd being too small for mw is a cop out excuse and confirms how much of a low risk cherrypicker he was. Top 10 atg Duran started at lw and climbed up to 168, and even Oscar started at lightweight and took a risk and fought a true all time great in Hopkins @ 160. Whats Floyd's excuse you mean he couldn't find a past prime name brand mw shot enough make a fight with. According to Shane he called Floyd personally when Floyd was at 130 and he was at 135 about a fight which Floyd declined. That was waaay before Shane talked about a toothache. There is a published interview on that which Floyd never denied. Shane and Cotto said after their fight they both wanted Floyd next, which Cotto won, called out Floyd, but Floyd fought Hatton then said no I am retired and went on a two year vacation. People try to make so much of Shane saying he needed a break after 2 hard fights with Vargas but want to excuse Floyds two year vacation ducking Shane, Cotto, Margarito, Paul Williams in the process. Larry Merchant asked Floyd about the whole division and he said he was retiring/becoming a promotor, etc. You said it was because his hands was hurting remember that. You can't argue with dates facts and figures Shane was out of the ring 1.5 years between Margarito and Floyd. Shane was already 38 and ring worn. How much credit you want for Floyd beating a shopworn pushing 40 Shane Mosley. You cats harp on people wanting to see Floyd fight somebody other than a slow, flat footed short armed latin guy because thats the only thing you really got. Floyd's cherrypicking got so bad he digressed to a badly faded Andre Berto over young lion like Keith Thurman. Duran went to mw and smw because he didn’t keep himself in shape. You are basically criticizing Floyd for being in shape and not partying, eating and drinking his way to bigger weight classes like Duran. Please post this. What year? Never heard of this. But let’s say it’s true. You’re criticizing him for not going to 135 to fight Shane when he was at 130 and not in his prime. Lmfao. No Floyd said it was because his hands were hurt. There are videos posted to this site about that which you’ve seen. All you do is deny it because it doesn’t fit into your agenda. Larry also clowned Shane about the toothache but I guess you forgot. You called for Shane to fight Floyd next. He fought him 6 months after you made the thread. If you are going to continue to lie it only makes you look bad. Floyd had just defeated manny. So he took a cash grab to end the sho contract and position himself for the his next fight. It’s the same thing manny did with the jmm 4 fight. Floyd just didn’t get knocked out. Manny fought Thurman because the loss to Floyd and then the loss to Horn had lowered him a bit. He needed to make money and he took the Thurman fight. Kudos to him for winning. That fight showed he wasn’t as shot as you try to make him out when he lost to Floyd. He just got beat by a better man. No shame in losing to the best fighter you ever faced.

Credible polls are ones included on credible boxing sites that fans and media people respect. Not fringe BS sites. I am talking about posters on this site. The only way that Floyd could elevate himself is if he somehow were able to make it to 160. He was clearly too small for MW. If you want to hold that against his ranking, ok. It was Shane that refused to fight Floyd over a toothache. That is why they didn't fight earlier. Of course you will not tell the truth about that. You're lying that it took a year and a half to fight. You made the thread and called for the fight 6 months before the fight happened. Floyd isn't the best of his generation just because of the Manny win. He is the best because he beat Manny, JMM, Cotto, ODH, Hatton, Corrales, Canelo, Zab, Genaro. Credible polls are people whose boxing history starts and ends with Floyd. Floyd being too small for mw is a cop out excuse and confirms how much of a low risk cherrypicker he was. Top 10 atg Duran started at lw and climbed up to 168, and even Oscar started at lightweight and took a risk and fought a true all time great in Hopkins @ 160. Whats Floyd's excuse you mean he couldn't find a past prime name brand mw shot enough make a fight with. According to Shane he called Floyd personally when Floyd was at 130 and he was at 135 about a fight which Floyd declined. That was waaay before Shane talked about a toothache. There is a published interview on that which Floyd never denied. Shane and Cotto said after their fight they both wanted Floyd next, which Cotto won, called out Floyd, but Floyd fought Hatton then said no I am retired and went on a two year vacation. People try to make so much of Shane saying he needed a break after 2 hard fights with Vargas but want to excuse Floyds two year vacation ducking Shane, Cotto, Margarito, Paul Williams in the process. Larry Merchant asked Floyd about the whole division and he said he was retiring/becoming a promotor, etc. You said it was because his hands was hurting remember that. You can't argue with dates facts and figures Shane was out of the ring 1.5 years between Margarito and Floyd. Shane was already 38 and ring worn. How much credit you want for Floyd beating a shopworn pushing 40 Shane Mosley. You cats harp on people wanting to see Floyd fight somebody other than a slow, flat footed short armed latin guy because thats the only thing you really got. Floyd's cherrypicking got so bad he digressed to a badly faded Andre Berto over young lion like Keith Thurman.

Lmfao. You're not a boomer? One day you're British. One day you're a boomer. Today what are you? Oh you watched an impeachment so you know how it works. Didn't explain what happened during said impeachment. Why? Because you dont actually know lmfao. Explain it to us wise one! Lmfao. Same approach you take to boxing. Oh you watch boxing you're a ****ing expert yet open admit you don't score fights but "somehow" know the winner. Also too much of a little btich to play the pickem game with people who actually know their ****. Pathetic ****ing loser I am not british you fkn re-tard :lol1: why do I need to correct EVERYTHING you type... ??? stop crying kid, it is over... NOBODY thinks Pacquiao is better than Mayweather NOBODY... except for you silly pacstains !! :lol1::lol1:

Credible poll - any poll that has Floyd ahead Uncredible poll - any poll that has Manny ahead Your running rant for anyone who comes with facts on Floyd cherrypicking resume is they are haters. We've seen it countless times including this thread. People who hate Floyd purposefully discredit him, despite the fact that he was the a-side and cherrypicked his own career post Hatton thats rich. Floyd is top 30 all-time because he took the path of least resistance and cherrypicked too many times to be any higher. No more no less. Everyone from Max Kellerman to Mike Tyson says the same thing. All he had to do to prevent that is fight/beat the best guys in their prime and he did not do that, and nothing you say puts a band-aid on it. I called on Floyd to fight Shane because the truth is Floyd was ducking him despite Shane getting in the ring to call him out I don't know wtf you are talking about. Floyd still took a year and a half to fight him, thats facts. Shane was pushing 40, had already been ravaged by Forrest, Winky, been in wars with Vargas and Cotto. Those are facts. I think that qualifies for waiting for a guy to become old and shot before fighting him. I don't say a guy is the best of his generation because he beat the next best guy when he was over the hill. Of course you will because that really the only thing you have to hang on. Floyd being the best of a generation because he beat a Manny who already been ko'd by Marquez. Nah. Credible polls are ones included on credible boxing sites that fans and media people respect. Not fringe BS sites. I am talking about posters on this site. The only way that Floyd could elevate himself is if he somehow were able to make it to 160. He was clearly too small for MW. If you want to hold that against his ranking, ok. It was Shane that refused to fight Floyd over a toothache. That is why they didn't fight earlier. Of course you will not tell the truth about that. You're lying that it took a year and a half to fight. You made the thread and called for the fight 6 months before the fight happened. Floyd isn't the best of his generation just because of the Manny win. He is the best because he beat Manny, JMM, Cotto, ODH, Hatton, Corrales, Canelo, Zab, Genaro.

I already said there are individual people who say that but in credible polls of multiple people Floyd always finishes ahead. At no point did I claim they were haters. Floyd is top 20-25 all time because of the era he fought in. Only people like you have the opinion that beating the same guys earlier would elevate Floyd on the ATG list. Even when Floyd fights guys when he "should have", you find a way to denigrate it. For example, you're the poster that called on Floyd to fight Shane because you thought Shane would win. Floyd fought him the next fight out. After Floyd won, you criticized the win saying Shane was too old and shot even though you had just called for the fight. That shows what you're really about when it comes to evaluating Floyd's career. edit: the other thing you do is blame Floyd for people not fighting him. We saw that with Manny. You've also done that with Shane and ODH. You will lie about Manny refusing to fight Floyd, then use that to elevate Manny by claiming he was so tough and great that Floyd was afraid to fight him. Then when ODH and Shane actually refuse to fight Floyd, you don't use that to elevate Floyd but instead to lower him for not "fighting them in their prime". That is hypocritical and irrational and again shows, without a shadow of a doubt, what you're agenda is when it comes to evaluating Floyd's career. Credible poll - any poll that has Floyd ahead Uncredible poll - any poll that has Manny ahead Your running rant for anyone who comes with facts on Floyd cherrypicking resume is they are haters. We've seen it countless times including this thread. People who hate Floyd purposefully discredit him, despite the fact that he was the a-side and cherrypicked his own career post Hatton thats rich. Floyd is top 30 all-time because he took the path of least resistance and cherrypicked too many times to be any higher. No more no less. Everyone from Max Kellerman to Mike Tyson says the same thing. All he had to do to prevent that is fight/beat the best guys in their prime and he did not do that, and nothing you say puts a band-aid on it. I called on Floyd to fight Shane because the truth is Floyd was ducking him despite Shane getting in the ring to call him out I don't know wtf you are talking about. Floyd still took a year and a half to fight him, thats facts. Shane was pushing 40, had already been ravaged by Forrest, Winky, been in wars with Vargas and Cotto. Those are facts. I think that qualifies for waiting for a guy to become old and shot before fighting him. I don't say a guy is the best of his generation because he beat the next best guy when he was over the hill. Of course you will because that really the only thing you have to hang on. Floyd being the best of a generation because he beat a Manny who already been ko'd by Marquez. Nah.