Very possible, but the question was what you, as a fat yank, would think if Ward got the same raw deal if the fight was in Copenhagen.
Boxing has a history of dumb referees and stupid judges. As a boxer you have to learn how to deal with it. Rules are only made to be broken. If Ward is a billygoat or an octopus, Kessler should have learned about this in advance a figured out a way of dealing with it. Your guess is as good as mine as to whether Ward would have been able to deal with these sort of problems in Denmark. What we do know is that Ward made not one but two steps up the ladder to beat the best man in the division.
hey people.
first of all, no hate in the title, just saw another poster using it, and couldnt help but give it a little laugh... and he seemed to be getting plenty of attention... :sad6:
Just a quick question about the Ward-Kessler fight.
Just for the record, i thought Ward was spectacular that night, amazing speed and movement, and i´m not trying to take anything away from him, he did everything right on that night. Especially from a tactical point of view.
but... and here be the question(s):
How would you americans feel if Ward(or maybe Mosley or Hopkins, since Kessler is by far the biggest star in danish boxing) came to Denmark and was never, ever given a fair shake by officials nor the referee, the victim of excessive holding and of course the 5 "unintentional" headbutts???
Now the headbutts may have unintentional, i think a few of them was(however, it is what happens when you lead with your head as much as ward did/does) but it seems kinda focked up to me that the referee after the fight says he counted 5 headbutts?? i mean, come on, unintentional or not, if you as a referee see more than 2-3 headbutts, shouldn`t Ward at least have been given a warning?? furthermore, i believe there was more than 5, but then again ive only watched the fight twice(as a dane, it really hurts seeing your boy loosing in such fashion)
Again, let me state that i have nothing against americans. Went there last year, visitited New York, LA and San Francisco and i have to say you people surprised me with how open, friendly and warm you are :usa2:
Would love to come there again some day.
looking forward to hear from you. you fat yanks :la:
Ward would have beaten him any time and any place. Kessler do not learn the lesson that Calzaghe taught him. How to deal with a quick, mobile opponent?
Yeah you can say that. I was also thinking that if those dirty and illegal tactics bothered Kessler that much and the referee wouldn't enforce the rules, I'd have liked to have seen him place a couple of Golota style punches south of the border. :lol1:
Kessler is a good boxer and to be honest I thought he was the man to beat in the tournament. I knew the two Andre's had the skill to beat him, the question is do they have the will? Turns out one Andre lived up to his promise and beat Kessler but the other fissled out and lost a God awful fight against Froch. You may recall Froch using dirty tactics, but he was (and is) a bit crude. If Kessler had properly prepared himself for the fight he would have been able to finesse an elbow as easily as Ward finessed a headbutt.
Absolutely. But I guess the question by the TS was how you as an american would have reacted if Ward was butted by Kessler 5 times in a danish ring and the danish referee didn't do anything?
Well, I'm not an American. You must have heard to old saying: Butt me once shame on you, butt me twice shame on me. If the referee refuses to do his job, as many of them do, then a boxer has to do it for him. A few well placed elbows would have solved the headbutt and holding issues.
Boxing is a business and business is about money. Anybody who invests millions of dollars expects a return on their money. Anybody who gets his head punched in wants to get paid for it. Why don't you try boxing for glory? It won't take long to figure out that glory doesn't doesn't pay the rent. Ask Bernard Hopkins. He lived on a Chinaman's wages for many years.
People are calling Sam Peter a quitter and ridiculing him for his performance against Vitali.
How many people could do any better with Vitali's quick, hard jabs and hooks peppering them in the face for 8 rounds? I think poor Sam did the best he could.
I have only one criticism of Sam Peter - he would have been a better heavyweight if he kept his weight down at 235 or so. He carried 20 unnecessary pounds around in the ring, and that surely slowed him down and affected his stamina.
Sam is a nice guy, as we could see after the fight when he was a good sport and warmly congratulated Vitali. Watch this video of him singing a song thanking Jesus in a post fight-interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptNAlNEB7Kw
Rabbit puncher or not, I can't help but like him after seeing that.
"Thank you Jesus for the training I was too lazy to do and the paycheck I didn't earn."
Maybe he had a reason to be afraid? Like getting hit harder than he ever has in his life.
Dempsey would have been afraid too if he spent his time worrying about what Willard might have done to him.
Someone explain how a fighter who is able to use lateral movement, stop and throw 6-8 punch combinations boring? i cant believe some of the shit im reading here.
Most of these brutes and savages don't fully appreciate the sweet science of bruising.
how do you see that fight going
Unlike like Klitschko, Bowe actually has some talent. As to whether he would use it is a matter of conjecture. It is not unreasonable to conclude that Klitschko would do the same thing to Bowe as he did to Sam Peter. Bowe was scared of Lennox Lewis and he may well have been scared to Klitschko as well. However, if Bowe came to fight he would probably knockout Klitschko the first round. That over sized Ukrainian is so overrated it is becoming laughable.
Vitali would keep the smaller Tyson at bay with his superior jab and pick him apart with lead left hooks and big right hands....The mental midget Tyson would get frustrated and discouraged when he realizes he can't intimidate or hurt the iron chinned 6'7 monster Vitali....Tyson gets beat up bad and either quits or gets KO'd.
Vitali by KO or TKO
Tyson had the style to make short work of Klitschko. The real question is would he use it?
VK got brittle body, past his prime, ain't fought in years, and destroyed the motha****a. Give him his props.
You could have "destroyed the motha****a" inasmuch as he wasn't doing anything to win.
peter did try to land some punches later in the fight when he thought vitali would be tired but he just got punished worse so he quit instead of getting ktfo.how can you not give vitali props for this you ****in moron
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I love moronic posts like this. Peter was fighting exactly the same way he always did. Vitali established his jab in the first second of the fight and made Peter afraid to come on the inside in the first round by catching him with the right hand, which almost made Peter do the chicken dance. Vitali nullified Peter's offense, that's why he looked so good. Peter sucks something awful, it was just the matter of time before he met somebody like Vitali who exposed him.
there was no offense to nullify
Arreola would put to much pressure on him and throw fast combonations to the body and head.. he would get take a few jabs but eventually Tire him out with pressure and body work Stopping the old man in the 8th round.
I dont think Vitali looked that good... it was just peter that was out of it.
David Haye will probably get there first.
I'm actually lookin forward to a fight between Arreola and either of the Klitchko's. Hope that shit happens at around the end of 09.
Style wise, I think Chris has a decent chance.
If he makes an effort to win he has a chance. History has shown that the Klitschkos have a serious problem with opponents who come to fight.
after his comments about Peter, i'd like to see him in the ring with the nigerian...if he can make Peter quit, then let him get a crack at Vitaly
Nobody made Peter quit, he did so because he wanted to lose. Klitschko didn't expose him, he exposed himself.
Will we ever find the next Tyson? No. But sooner or later someone will come along who is different, and just close enough. He always does.
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/features/upcoming/next_tyson.html
To create the phenomenon of Mike Tyson a trainer, who knows what he is doing, needs to find a young kid who has the right kind of talent. A long list of prerequisites like that is difficult to replicate.
lol, poor Glen, hes willing to fight everyone. yet no one steps up. Hes tried to fight Kessler, Calzaghe, Hopkins, Dawson....
Adamek is actually a bad matchup for him, but Id love to see the fight.
Yeah, it is too bad Johnson doesn't get the respect he deserves. If they were all more like him boxing wouldn't be a sport in decline.
Most American heavyweights didn't learn to box until they became heavyweights. The only reason they got into boxing was because they couldn't make it in other sports. What do you expect from a bunch of rejects?
what could they have fought in their careers to make you think they are better?
they could have fought evander holyfield and mike tyson, albeit way past their primes, but big names dont necessarily translate to big wins.
in the future, klitschko's KO of david haye may mean nothing i fhe gest knocked out another 4 times. (very possible) however, right now it would be a very big win, and should always be considered a big win, as many peple consider haye a legitimate threat and a good fighter.
The brothers Klitschko have had successful careers based on good management and good luck. Their professionalism is beyond question and outside the ring they are everything you could ask from a champion. Inside the ring they are not so great.
y is that? why arent they so good inside the ring? Most of their fights end in KO's?
Yes, but most of their fights have been easy. You should expect KO's because of whom they have been lucky enough to face. The greatness of a fighter is determined by the manner in which he deals with adversity. Neither Klitschko is very good at that, but Wladimir has shown in the past that he is one of the most vulnerable beltholders in the history of the division. If Dave Haye comes to fight you will see Wladimir fall apart yet again.
As I read the forum, everyone seems to give Haye and all of Wlad's opponents the same advice.
Get inside quick and throw bombs at his chin.
Has anyone stopped for a second and gave this a thought? I mean it doesnt require much thinking to realize that this strategy applies to anyone.
If you have the ability to move inside fast lol and throw bombs on the button then wouldnt that put any fighter out? Now Im not trying to boost Wlad's chin here, but everyone goes down, and if you throw bombs on the chin the man is mostl likely going to hit the deck.
So whats with this emphasis on speed? Speed is good, but how are you going to use it if a man effectivly is holding you, or rather pushing you constatly away with a jab.
Its like poking someone whose coming at you with a stick, now how do they get around that? Grab the stick and move it to the side, correct?
So, back to Haye, how about some better advice? Other than "come in fast and throw bombs or else your ****ed after 4rd"
Wlad has shown plenty of times after the Sanders fight that bumrushing him just isnt going to work, hes going to jab and clinch.
I would think that Haye, having his speed and all, should try to lure Wlad into hitting him and then using his speed and movement to avoid a punch and counter, or do something else...damn Im sure there are plenty of strategies out there.
Or will everyone for the rest of their lives believe that Wlad can be beat by a guy charging at him like a bull...Cause every post sanders fight thats what people said Wlads opponents should do against him...and guess what...it hasnt worked.
First off, people who give that kind of stupid advice don't know what the **** they are talking about. They are the same idiots who claim that Wladimir Klitschko has a glass jaw despite the fact that he has never been counted out. If you want to know how beat beat Klitschko watch Corrie Sanders use lateral movement. That is what Sultan Ibragimov should have done and it is most likely what Dave Haye will do.
Yeah I know, Timo's no great but still this is good stuff just use your eyes you can see how well he judges distance and anticipates certain punches whilst setting up his own.
Good footwork too.
I'm not saying the man is Ali but you gotta admit for a big man this aint half bad
Why didn't Vitali Klitschko look that good against Lennox Lewis? The correct answer is that Lewis isn't such an easy opponent. As it happens that was probably the worst performance of Lewis's career.
pavlik is better than froch, he has the fundementals down.
he would win with his jab.
Yeah, Pavlik would certainly have the style advantage. Pavlik is at his best when his opponent is right in front of him and Froch likes to come straight ahead with his hands down.
martin rogan beats povetkin no joke.
But it is funny as hell that somebody would believe it. Povetkin has accomplished a lot. People who call him a mediocrity haven't done their homework.
Who has Arreola beat?
Povetkin only has 17 pro fights and his resume is already 100 times better than Arreola's. He has beaten Eddie Chambers, Chris Byrd, Larry Donald, Jason Estrada, etc.
Arreola is just another American hypejob....Povetkin is too skilled for him and would knock him out.
The Klitschko nuthuggers are likely to say anything. Povetkin is one of the best in the division simply because he comes to fight. You can expect him to be throwing punches with bad intentions in every round. Nearly all of these fat-ass heavies like Estrada, Chambers and Arreola aren't ready for that level of intensity. As it goes the Klitschkos are not only well conditioned but they are also a very bad stytle match for him. If Povetkin performs against Wladimir Klitschko as he did against Estrada, he will get a blind date with the canvass.
All night was 2 rounds though.Haha. As long as he got the job done is what counts. No need to go to the body if you don't have to. I mean at times he's open but until he loses then nothing really much to say, no fighter is perfect. He's doing a damn good job right now.
Everybody thought Miranda was doing a great job until it became apparent to even the biggest bonehead posting in this forum that he was lacking in basic boxing skills. There are opponents who will punish you for your sins. Just because you get away with it for awhile doesn't mean the day of reckoning will not come.