Benn-McClellan, Griffith-Paret were tough to watch even though I watched tapes years later...
On TV live or tape delayed
Anne Wolfe vs. Vonda Ward
Sam Peter vs. Jeremy Williams
Allan Green vs. Jaidon Codrington
And I saw this fight live (I think it was televised outside the US but off-TV on Showtime's telecast of Spinks-Judah II)
Eric Mitchell vs. Rob Dula
So why didn't DLH do bigger PPV's without Floyd?
I know it was a minimum of 70% De la Hoya but it's a fact his biggest ppv and the biggest ppv of all time had Mayweathers name up in lights.
People are watching all kinds of events, even run-of-the-mill football games, movies, adult movies whatever on PPV in 2007,2008,2009.
Part of it is DLH and Mayweather, but part of it is the culture, the population, and the ease of information now.
Twenty years ago, a lot of people didn't even consider that they could watch Mike Tyson in their own home. There wasn't satellite TV...you had to have the right cable carrier, and often had to rent something to rig your cable box to watch...and the whole idea of paying for a fight was a bigger deal than now when everything is PPV - not to mention a lot of people only had one TV in their house and didn't even have cable. Lots more potential buys now.
Keep in mind the PPV price for those fights back then in adjusted money is more than PPV fights are sold for now as well
And it's as easy as clicking a button on your remote to watch the event.
Lots of things to consider when you crown Mayweather the PPV king based on a fight where all things weren't equal compared to closed-circuit TV back in the day or early PPV.
We're now conditioned to know we can watch any event any time, and it's not too far from the truth.
But make things equal and De La Hoya has bigger PPVs than Mayweather
It's like calling the Transformers sequel or The Dark Knight one of the biggest hits ever...then realize that the budget for the film was unheard of years ago, foreign box office was different before, number of screens was much much less and ticket prices were a small fraction as well...when you do that these new blockbusters still don't touch a Gone With the Wind...
DLH-Mayweather happened at a convenient time to draw those numbers, but keep in mind the level of event it was, was in no way close to the "top show of all-time"
De La Hoya's purse was 2 times bigger than Floyd's, who REALLY sold that fight? LMAO!!
Floyd hasn't sold a fight on his own yet. Hatton was the closest, but Gatti and De La Hoya sold those shows vs. Floyd.
Marquez isn't a PPV fighter, so this will be the first true measure of his draw.
White and Mayweather both bring unpleasant, though legit attention to their sports.
For the most part, though, fans willing to pay for a boxing PPV are not fans willing to pay for an MMA PPV, and if they are, they'll probably purchase both and tivo.
Take 3 MMA fights and 3 boxing fights (with fighters at the same fighting weight) and show them in different rooms. Put 50 random people in the MMA room and 50 random people in the boxing room and I guarantee you there will be a bigger reaction to the action from the viewers in the MMA room. I'm talking about random, off-the-street every day people who don't give a shit one way or the other about either sport.
So for all those boxing purists who think they speak for the majority, you're learning a hard lesson based on how the United States has already replaced boxing with MMA on the popularity scale. MMA hasn't overtaken boxing on worldwide level yet, only because it hasn't had time to. MMA has only been around for 16 years, with only half of those years where the sport was being managed correctly. It's literally just a matter of time, especially with the UFC getting television deals and holding shows overseas in the UK, Germany and eventually Japan.
Call it humping or gay all you want, but a lot of people out there think boxing looks like two guys playing pattycake with pillows in between clinching every 8 seconds, so it goes both ways. If you think MMA is gay, I'm deathly afraid of what you think of professional football. "Blue 42! Set.....hut!"
LOL reminds me of this
Probably not doing too well, although maybe he could've got down to 140 and made some noise there.
He was declining and took a pretty bad hammering from Clottey in his last fight.
Co-sign
So many wars, like Gatti and Castillo, he'd given too much to the ring, fighting the way he did
He's 3.5lbs over the limit, if he beats Campbell then how much credit will he get?
Side note: How does a guy moving UP from 130 fail to make 135?
None. See also Corrales getting KO'd by Castillo in the second fight. It just added drama to the scenario.......
He actually got a license.
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=1640&cat=boxer
Against the #1 Hungarian HW Zoltan Petranyi.
LOL - How is Petranyi the #1 anything?
This is the guy who couldn't stay standing against Danny Williams... he got dropped 5 times and a couple of them he pretty much went down just out of balance. He won't be able to take Bowe's bunch if Riddick connects...
Keep in mind Big Daddy has fought twice since prison - and even though I thought he lost the second fight, he can live off his name and fight glass-chinned bums and make some cash without a big risk to further health damage...
Ving Rhames played him in a made-for-HBO docudrama called Don King: Only in America
You might be able to find the Sportscentury show on King that ESPN did online -
I think there's also a "Beyond the Glory" on him as well...
defo glen johnson. herman ngoudjo strikes me as the new glen johnson, he will probably be robbed a couple more times!
on a seperate note WTF is mosley doing there he lost all those fights!!!!
Definitely agree about Mosley...
Every fight Hakkar to present I would say "yes", though the Taylor fights were chess match like, so they held my attention.
His fights vs. Winky and Calzaghe belong in the "Insomnia Prevention Collection" with Ruiz-Oquendo, Ibragimov-Briggs, and Byrd-Williamson.....
What if when fans buy a PPV boxing event they got to choose who their purchase supported? Like the money goes to the fighter they are a fan of? Would it be fair?
Impractical, unfair, unrealistic, impossible.......
As sloppy as he looks Mayorga proved he can remain competitive even when he's clearly overmatched.
I personally think Mayorga should clean out JR Middleweight. The division is dead, him and Forrest are the biggest stars and he deserves to add another championship and test guys like Phillips and Santos.
He SHOULDNT fight above his weight nor below, that includes a Tito rematch at 170 which would be completely pointless, any fight at 147 or above 154.
To be hated on so much the man has fought nothin but top tier competition so he should beat down some 154 contenders and become 154 champ hell maybe even unify the division
Forrest-Mayorga III. Showtime will buy it, the WBC will sanction it, and Forrest has to feel confident he can win the third match. And it's probably the most money Mayo can get right now, so why wouldn't he take it? And he's maybe the top profile guy that Vernon can schedule at 154 unless a welterweight comes up in weight...
Or a Spinks rematch could be even more money for Ricardo, especially if it landed in St. Louis...
im pretty fdrunk right now, but did that show boxing having LESS ppv's yet being more than competitive in buys?
Still nearly 100K LESS buys PER event not Total
That word AVG is there...
Lewis by wide decision if Roy ran, by career ending knockout if he didn't
Hell, if Roy fights Ruiz and Nady doesn't break up every clinch, it's a completely different fight. Nady would step in and Roy would run around the back of him...
It was good strategy but a weak excuse for a "Fight"
ands he suppose to fight great fighters after three straight loses, two by knock out at 36 years old. He needed some easier fights to get him ready for the culmination of his attempt at a comeback. Say what you will about Hanshaw but he was a decent fighter and he was 9 years younger.
But Hanshaw got destroyed by a real prospect once he stepped up...
I'm just saying Hopkins has more left than Jones does, even though neither are particularly fun to watch anymore...
If you can hit Roy, you can KO him, and if Calzaghe lands clean, then a side-by-side comparison with the decision win over Hopkins might make it more apparent...
Roy's too easy to hit anymore when he hangs out on the ropes - the same Hopkins that KD'd Calzaghe and Tarver puts Roy to sleep if he connects...and roy's legs aren't what they used to be
but i'm saying people just think...
39
tarver ko
johnson ko
old
knocked out
old 39
tarver
johnson
and they just ignore reality, if you watched the Tarver III fight, the hanshaw fight, the ajamu fight and the trinidad fight....you can see that Roy Jones isn't completely shot. in the third fight with tarver it was obvious that he made a mental decision to not win that fight. when he let his hands go he was effective. Emanuel steward, has said on many occasions that hes impressed on how good roy still performs even now.
and i've watched all jones's fights, i'll say first hand that he still in flashes shows some of his past brilliance. of course hes not fighting the best comp, but he needed some build up fight before fighting joe.
Ajamu and Hanshaw are barely Top 50 fighters at that weight and Trinidad had no business fighting at that weight. Jones can look great in what amounts to sparring sessions; Hopkins has been fighting p4p opponents...
I think it's fairly obvious that Kimbo wouldnt make it in boxing, the man gasses quicker than a 40 year old Iron Mike. Shit, he's barely making it in MMA, I'm surprised they didnt stop his last fight when he was on the ground gettin' punched for 2 minutes str8.
After Kimbo's last "win" he couldn't even do an immediate post-fight interview because he was having trouble breathing.
That's why EliteXC wouldn't put him in with Brett Rogers to get beat; they know that their time is limited pushing him, plus they're trying to keep their CBS deal going a little while longer, and Lawler-Smith II did poor ratingswise...
Shamrock would be his best fight yet. If and I mean IF he get past Shamerock that would speak volumes for a rookie on skill fighter like him. So yes in his case Shamrock is a measuring stick for him!
Shamrock is a LIGHT HEAVY with SHOT SKILLS and NO CHIN.
This bout is a WWE-like hypejob