Just to add to what I posted, a playing matured tiger swiping at a ball had 1,500lbs of force. Tyson's little tiger wa not trying to hurt him yet it rocked him in different directions just by leaning on him.
A matured tiger angry as hell will probably pack 3,000 lbs of force with one swipe. Even without the claws, that is already more than the hardest hitting heavy weight puncher without gloves. Those tigers can take those swipes over and over without feeling much, they swipe at themselves all day yet you don't hear of a broken jaw or even pulled teeth.
Then you add the claws and teeth, prime Tyson at his absolute best and angriest mode won't stand a chance with a wild matured tiger. Another fight over in seconds.
Enough with the Tyson god-like status. He couldn't even KO Holyfield and he hit him flush several times to the head.
the sheer dong blowning of mike tyson by catskills is disturbing...
mike couldnt reach douglas let alone a gorilla the only person i'd ever think to put agianst a gorilla in terms of power would be foreman and thats so faaaar fetched that i'd never consider it ever
Oh, I thought I was the only one.
I read a few lines and replied on what will happen with either gorilla or tiger then I went back to read the whole thread page by page. I'll tell you, the man was beginning to worry me.
Tyson landed flush on Holyfield several times on the head and didn't do much harm. Smh!
yeah but if mike hit the gorilla first?.
If he hits the gorilla first, as a living creature it would have felt pain but nothing like a man would feel, no KO or weakness. Painful enough to anger the gorilla fully and off goes Tyson's head while his lifeless body is trashed around the cage.
Can Tyson uproot a tree from it's root? A Gorilla can easily do that, the same we we pluck berries.
A silver back gorilla is as strong as 15 men. When you add the wild instinct of survival and fighting to it, you can easily count 30+ men cuz it will fight like hell. A suitable comparison will be fighting a man whose brain is completely fried on drugs, a man capable of cutting his wrist off and using only what's left of the limbs to throw a vicious punch - and that man is super powerful.
Add fangs, low center of gravity, weight, a thick muscled skeleton, body and head. It's a fight lost within seconds.
Even with all that, a gorilla can run as fast as Usain Bolt and probably 10x the distance so it has the stamina to fight for as long as it takes with insane speed and agility. No amount of movement from Tyson or any quick feet boxer will work in evading it.
Tyson would have died a horrific quick death even if he threw the first 10 punches flush on the gorilla's jaw.
GGG and Sanchez said Canelo switched his style when he fought GGG and didn't want to engage.
Who in their right mind would trade with GGG? He has the better chin, great stamina to keep the punches coming and on top of that, way more power than some SMWs.
Instead of them crying about the switch, why don't they switch too or are they saying they can only fight one way like a bull?
So many fighters like Monroe, Rosado... Did everything they could to get away from GGG but he tracked them down and almost killed them. What's the difference with Canelo?
...and Canelo wasn't running.
Boxing is funny, he wasnt good enough to even make the Olympic teams but has dominated 3 gold medalists
Who are these 3 gold medalist?
Not trying to argue with you, just want something to throw at my buddies if we ever have this talk.
...against a fellow ELITE opponent???????
This Gif alone sums it up.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/VeneratedKindheartedAnteater-small.gif
1. He blocks punches using his arms
2. Makes canelo miss using his legs
3. Lands a 1-2.
4. Makes canelo miss using his reflexes and head movement.
wow :usa:
The Canelo fight was good but i would say Floyd vs Marquez. That was out of this world insane defense.
it's gotta be. nothing else comes to mind. Floyd pitched a shutout. Canelo went from a guy Floyd was ducking to a green cub overnight lol. ridiculous. Floyd also pitched a shutout vs Corrales who was elite. and Baldomir was the undisputed WW champ (he just didn't pay the belt fees) and Floyd wiped him out too. just flawless performances. and what about vs Marquez? that was a boxing masterpiece.
100%.
The Gatti shutout also comes to mind.
The ones I can think of:
Lomachenko
Crawford
Usyk
Mikey Garcia
Canelo
GGG
Thurman (when he was actively fighting)
Spence
Wilder & Joshua are the best Heavyweights currently but are they really elite level talents? They likely would be mid level fighters if they fought in the 80s & 90s for instance. Not sure if they fit in or not. I guess in the current era they are but not in general of the history of the Heavyweight division.
Compared to the Floyd or Rjj era, they would truly be mid level guys but if we have to pick, I would remove Thurman from that list and like the other poster, replace with Inoue. Never really thought he was anything special, just a few levels above DGarcia. Nothing more.
Elite level guys should be guys that really show they are levels above the rest and the guys you listed are it.
Davis still has a few more wins to prove he is elite even in this era. If Fury wins Wilder, he is definetly on the list. Big if considering the past few years..
For the past era, I would easily pick Loma, Mikey and Crawford.
I haven't heard one person say he should move up. You're trying way too hard pal
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794625
That is a recent thread choked full with people saying he should move up straight from the first page.
To put it simply .
LDBC stands for LYING DELIBERATLEY BOXING COMMUNITY .....
Thats what they DO ! Theyre also known as" The Wilder Fan Boy Club " bc thats what they actually ARE ! We have a few of them clowns on here like Accolade ! :wank:
But they dont hide it to good bc theyre extremely unintelligent so the lies and bias agenda stick out so much one would have to be dumb as hell in the 1st place to follow them anyway , IF they want actual boxing news .
YTBC is You Tube boxing community ,which is actual boxing news and legit discussions . lol
In short the people who follow the YTBC reads the Daily News .
The people in the LDBC read the tabloid fictional National Enquirer .
Thats the difference of common sense barrier between them !
:cool2:
The YTBC part I get, the LDBC part....hard to believe but I don't have a choice till someone says otherwise.
But I get your point.
Yes I care. It very well could be a fight of the year type of fight. Two knock out artists slugging it out! it will be better than fury vs beyonce fury will make it a stinker and spoil the fight wilder the unskilled bum that he is won't know what to do. wilder is too dumb and will just follow fury around the ring. joshua vs povetkin is the better fight!
I doubt Wilder follows Fury around the ring, he is going to go crazy on Fury at some point early on and thatz a good thing.
If Wilder does follow Fury around the ring then he is the world's dumbest sheep.
Wilder is suppose to win by brutal KO in 6 rounds, max 8 rounds.
i am so high right now...what are these acronyms?!?
They are the handwriting of your great grandma, she sent you an urgent message from the spirit world.
You have an hour to crack the code or else......
Mine was Floyd vs Big Show.
Before then, I had no clue who FMJ was but I was more than entertained. That made me go on YouTube to see defensive highlights.
On top of everything, I could easily see the power of FMJ punches on Big Show.
Moreover, I was getting tired of fake wrestling anyways.
Then there was the Ali month ESPN Classic did, now that cleared out any doubt I had left.
I became a fan.
Your point was understood from the first paragraph, no need for the others. Too long.
No sane person would want Mikey vs Spence when there is Loma to fight, infact, that is the fight we all thought would happen even when Loma was in the lower weight class.
What worries me is if Mikey gets damaged after the Spence fight.
Yea whats up man? I agree he belongs no where near top 10 pfp all time.But I think I prob rate him a little higher then you.I don't think he "quit like *****"he took his beatin from Marco and he did beat quite a few very good fighters(Medina,johnson,Vasquez,McC,Bungu,Kelly ect)but no ATGs but sometimes beating a lot of good fighters is more impressive then beating 1 great one(styles).And one thing we cant disagree on is that he could REALLY punch.Hope you had happy holidays!!
I believe you got it wrong. I wasn't asking P4P all time, I was asking about P4P top 10 now, comparing him to the likes of Canelo, GGG, Mikey, Thurman.... Who are guys currently on everyone's list.
I agree with only 2 and 3, the rest are flawed.
Rather than allow PEDs, why not make mandatory test for boxers especially ranked boxers all year round including the use of opponent's private doctor. Imagine if Canelo's doctor can walk into GGG's room and take samples for blood test with the results compared with whatever the organizations produced.
Not all fighters fall immediately they are hurt or even KO'd. There are loads of fights were the fighter fell on the ropes or is trapped in the corner unconscious while the opponent just fires more punches. An extra one punch can be the difference between full recovery and partial recovery or even death.
The 5th issue about judges really doesn't matter. There can be 5 or 99 judges and the result will be the same. Rather there should be "blind judges" were the judges are picked from a huge poll of qualified judges and the fighters nor their teams won't know who till fight night.
The loss has nothing to do with it. There are boxers who are greater than Mayweather will ever be who have suffered multiple losses. And the only reason he suffered the loss is because he took a risk early in his career that Mayweather would never have taken.
He'd need to keep boxing for another 8 or 9 years against elite opposition to do so, though. It's a big ask.
As much as I agree with what you just said, I have to disagree on your logic behind the loss.
We put too much emphasis on the "early in his career...Mayweather can't". Loma had about 400 amateur fights, turned pro at a later age unlike Floyd. Using all that, we can easily go by age as well and say Mayweather would have schooled everyone on Loma's resume at same age.
Moreover that poster is a full blown hater of Loma. He makes this thread almost daily.
Khan might tko him. This is not the Broner of 3-4 years ago... he’s been whooped and beaten. I don’t think physically he’ll respond well to khans punches. Amir has pop and speed and will be aggressive and going after Broner non stop. I see a very late referee or corner stoppage, he’ll be eating a lot of hard, clean shots and unlike in the Maidana fight I think he’s corner will throw in the towel this time in a fight like that. He went straight into an ambulance after Maidana fight.
Khan stopping Broner? I strongly doubt that. How much of a beating can Khan give to require a TKO or corner stoppage?
Broner has so much control over his corner for them to throw in the towel especially aginst Khan.
I see it going the distance cuz neither of them can stop the other.
i would rather see computers replace judges, a comp will always be more objective. and the loser of a close fight won't feel like he got cheated.
The issue with that will be insane. First someone has to input the rules of what to score as what which we might not agree with then the computer has to map out all the difference of what is going on in the ring like if that weak flurry was worth the point or the hard clean punch. We can then consider hacking which will be another mega fear.
No computers please!
Far from great and became even more overrated in recent years. He was an elite level fighter and if he was around today and at his peak I'd say he'd be top 10 but towards the back end of the top 10. In an all-time great sense I don't think you could rank him among the top 20 all-time featherweights.
Great power in both hands, but sloppy technique and average defense and major balance issues and fundamental flaws. I'm not one to write him off because of the shellacking Barrera gave him because he had some solid wins like Tom Johnson, Manuel Medina, Vuyani Bungu and Kevin Kelley and at different times he did win the WBO, WBC and IBF belts and reigned for over 5 years I just think he's been glorified into an almost mythical talent in recent times by some fans.
He's in the hall of fame but I don't think he deserves it.
I had similar thoughts. Because of all the extras he did in the ring, it's quite easy for fans to look at the entertainment value and just go crazy with the rankings.
I doubt this fight Will be on PPV.
Neither in the US nor in the UK.
Their egos are too big for them to fight each other on regular TV and I believe it will do very well on PPV cuz once the buildup starts, it's just going to sound more interesting as the fight gets closer.
I didn't have much interest in watching Floyd vs McGregor until a few weeks to the fight when I realised I just couldn't afford to miss it. Well so did 4.6million other people.
He beat a couple of good names, nobody super big though. I rank Hamed pretty low because he quit like a bítch when he got exposed.
Let's not forget he came up during RJJ's time and everybody latched on to him because he nicked a bit of RJJ's steeze.
This might be the answer.
....It's only when he made it financially he became lackadaisical with his training and you could tell it was a matter of time before he bumped into a live Dog. Barrera beat him convincingly.
He didn't even bother chasing a rematch he was far too comfortable financially and the hunger for boxing had left him and was replaced by a hunger for cheeseburgers and kebabs.
No, I don't mean "fragile" as in they have a weak chin. I mean fighters who constantly get hurt, whether in the ring or during training.
If you mean fighters who easily get injured, Gatti was the first name that came to my mind. The guy swells up quite easily in a fight and he dislocated his arm about 3x or so in his career.
Cotto is another one that comes to mind too. He's being marked up by almost everyone he fought in the ring including Floyd who barely hurts anyone.
David Haye too. Since 2009, he has injured his toe, his shoulder, his achilles and just last year for the Bellew rematch, he injured his arm while training.
Floyd is another one, this time it's his fist which has been a problem since his early fighting days. He hurts it in the ring and blames it for not getting the KO, he hurts it while training and usually ices it after training.
Needless public declarations, when its done we can get excited
We know about every little move. It's getting tiring, either tell us the major moves or tell us when it's done. This "90%, 92%, 98%, almost done" is not necessary.
Why is it that when a fighter loses, journalist start asking the fighter stupid questions like "what's next for you?", " will you be fighting again?", "is this the end of the road?". That is just plain silly. When a journalist writes a terrible article, does the journalist consider a new career path?
James Degale who is 31 years old with only 26 fights should hang it up cuz he lost to a basic Joe? That's his decision without any outside pressure.
This is what you call denial and delusion.
James Degale has fell into the trap of believing his own hype, people have this idea that he is overly talented and skilled when the fact is he is neither.
He's not very talented and he's not very skilled. He has shown it time and time again, there is not a single part of his game that is overly impressive. Add the fact that his punching technique is some of the worst I have ever witnessed.
He will never, ever be an elite fighter.
What you wrote sounds like hater speech but you are 100% right. James Degale is nothing special, never was.
This is the post were we get to spit some vernom on these fighters of the sport we love. Here goes my list, atleast the ones I can remember for now.
Jeff Horn - This is an easy pick for me. I need him crushed like the airbag he is. All that noise after he beat an aging legend like Pacquiao, he has no shame or humility. Boxers like (Marciano who cried after he beat Joe Louis, even stayed in the dressing room with him) who beat aging legends don't go about acting like dragons cuz of that fight.
Lara - I'm a huge fan of slick defensive boxing, I even accept Rigo's style but Lara is a boring runner. I need him roughed up close by a relentless brawler round after round.
GGG - Nothing against this guy, nothing against his trainer either. Just for his fans that think he is a God, he needs to be given the Kovalev treatment. Someone good or lucky has to make this happen, get him to the body over and over, he doesn't seem to like that one bit.
David Haye - I don't like Haye at all especially after what he said during the Bellew build up, talking about hospital and such things, knowing you are the heavier fighter fighting against Bellew and can easily make it happen. That is not trash talking. A fan saying it is different from a boxer who can actually do it to the other guy in the ring.
If I say I'm going to kill the president, a few officers blink but if the VP says he is going to kill the president, the whole country will be on edge. That is the difference between a fan and a boxer, in a higher weight class saying such.
Gervonta Davis - This truly i don't want but I had the thought during the fight with Fonseca. He was irritating - the unnecessary showboating, attention seeking.... Arrrgh! I wanted an instant fight with Loma so he could be totally outclassed. But he is a young developing fighter and might be a huge part of the future of boxing.
Carl Frampton - Shocking right? I don't just feel anything for him, no love or hate, he is like Bradley - zero emotions towards him. But I don't enjoy the way he fights, for no reason at all. Maybe it's his posture, I don't know. He needs to lose on a round by round beat down.
Santa Cruz - I like this guy. It really hurt me when he lost but for some strange reason, I want to see it again.
An additional one will be James Degale, I never saw him as anything special but he thought he was the second coming. I spared him from the list cuz he just lost.
Adonis Stevenson I wouldn't mind seeing losing.
He does nothing to benefit the sport and his division would actually be more interesting without him in it.
Of course, if he fought someone I'd take all that back. But I can't see it. Not all his fault though as he obviously gets paid too much for fighting overmatched opponents.
I just wrote my list and completely forgot this guy. He is not just likable, maybe it's his personality or something. I want to see him lose too.
Hopefully Bivol can make it happen if they ever fight. I see Bivol as someone special but we can't be sure yet.
This I didn't add to my list cuz he is not a boxer and I hope it stays in fantasy land but hey, I'll spill.
Robert Byrd - As far as I know, he is the only referee to stand a mile away, telling boxers "stop, break, fight". Will it kill him to run up to them and separate them like other referees do? If he is too out of shape or old to run up to boxers then he should get an office job.
A simple TKO can lead to death because of Robert Byrd slow walking and miles away command.
I would like to see Joshua, Wilder, Ortiz or any hard punching heavyweight miss a punch that lands flush on him, KO him cold. That should set his mind straight.
Again, I hope it stays in fantasy land.