heavy bowe vs holyfield I
cruiser - holyfield vs qawi I
light heavy - don't know have to think about.
super middle - benn vs mclellan
middle - hagler vs hearns
jr middle trinidad vs vargas
welter - duran vs leonard I
junior welter - gatti vs ward trilogy
lightweight - castillo vs corrales
super feater - morales vs barrera trilogy
Marvin Hagler was probably the guy I got most excited about meeting, I met him circa 89 where Michael Watson trained in Hackney and he did an interview saying that Nigel Benn was the one to watch, Michael Watson told him to think again. So I also met Watson ofcourse. I've traded punches with Dean Francis, Glenn Catley, Howard Eastman, Neville Brown, Ryan Rhodes - all sparring. I trained alongside the likes of Jane Couch. I've met Benn, Lennox(asshole), Naz(asshole), spoke with Audley Harrison as amateurs in 98, Richie Woodhall(very nice guy), Jimmy McDonnell held focus mitts for me a few times, spoke with Carl Froch when we were due to meet at 99 ABA's(I got put out in the semi's thankfully). I met Mike McCallum twice(an honour), he visited my old gym when he came to defend his WBA Middle title against Michael Watson in 1990 and he again came to my old gym in 1995 when he defended his WBC Light-Heavy title on the Benn-McClellan undercard, The Body Snatcher gave me a few tips!
The two guys I'd love to meet most are Eubank and Tyson.
What kind of tips did mike the bodysnatcher gave you?
seriously I think b4 Lacys career is over we might see him at heavy..Any one think so he can be like 210..Hes already big...Probally comes in the ring around 175 now...
he says he will not move up to heavy because he's too short he says.
i have only heard good things about marciano, how generous he was, he even quit boxing for his mother, because she could take it no more. the guy has a good heart if you ask me.
lol; it is either beans or vaseline
lol seriously though i don't know, with harris it could have been the nerves and that he went all out in the first, but still strange he ran out of gas that quick. wlad fight haven't seen only pictures where he looked very weird on like he was sick or something. and lewis his stamina was good, when in shape.
Tyson's problem is obvious with a gut like that. His diet. He needs to eat healthy, and he ahs not been. He probably eats a lot of fat and red meat and not enough veggies and grains. Needs to do more crunches and core work and eat healthier, most importantly.
Either way he's going to KO McBride.
mike never really had ab definition, only sometimes in fights when he's pumped up, but even then you can't really see a six pack, he doesn't need too he's a heavy.
I will put 1 or 2 million on Cotto. It depends, we can get to an agreement. Anyone wants it?i'll take that bet although i too believe cotto will win, i will put some money on abdullaev.
1mill.
Thats a pretty good list. i'm not familiar with Benny leonard. What was his accomplishmentsthank you.
hey read this article or some quotes in the article if you don't feel like reading it all. it has some more articles about duran is a great read armstrong etc check it out.
http://coxscorner.tripod.com/bleonard.html
ok thanks, he seems to be pretty good. I watch ESPN classic alot, i don't know why they never show his fights. how do you think he would do against JCC?
i personally think he would beat him they are both great fighters but look at whitaker who fought chavez not even at his best weight and beat him, you could compare leonard to him only his defense isn't that good as whitakers although still great. but his offense is better, he had real punching power. it would go like the meldrick taylor fight, he would basiclly outbox chavez, but not make the mistakes taylor made. taylor had the tendicy to trade (brawll) wich was a mistake that cost him. leonard would not do that he would stick to boxing. so i see leonard outboxing chavez and win a UD. like they said leonard was one of the smartest fight to ever lace a pair of gloves.
Damn thats deep, because i don't think anyone could beat JCC in his prime. Alot of people was pissed about the decision with Taylor, But after the fight Taylor had to go to the hospital for internal bleeding, and was never the same after. JCC hurt him the whole fight. he was very powerful for his weight.
yes he was i ain't denying the man was great or that he had a thick skull like some guys say :p , but i believe he can be outboxed, problem was he would make alot of fighters fight his fight wich is great but i don't think he could do that with leonard because the man was smart period. so you would get a taylor kind a fight but without the brawling(wich was taylors mistake) i believe too that if taylor had not trade with chavez the fight would of been easier and that he would of have won the fight by UD. leonard takes this fight he outboxes and outsmarts chavez. how do you think it would go GREAT1?
arguably the best lightweight ever mate.
him or Duran.
they said he could fight a ten rounder and not hav ea hair on his head out of place.
he was some skilled boxer.
hey j thnx for karma i hit you back. :)
Regardless of weight, regardless of generation:
My personal list (in no particular order):
1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Marvin Hagler
5. Sandy Saddler
6. Wilfredo Gomez
7. Henry Armstrong
8. Joe Frazier
9. Bernard Hopkins
10. Tito Trinidad
What's yours ??
damn that's a pretty bad list, i know it's an opinion and don't want to be disrespectfull. but to have joe frazier? trinidad on your list is really wrong.
p4p no robinson in top 10? whitaker,joe gans,where's duran you telling me trinidad was a more complete fighter then duran. p4p duran is a far superior fighter then trinidad. trinidad is not even in his league. Like i said it's an opinion you have, but any boxing fan with some boxing knowledge, would agree with me.
Iwatchboxing i know you like puerto rican fighters, what do you think of carlos ortiz i think he's one of the best have you heard of him?
That was well put, course there are exceptions to every rule. thats how we get greats like those you mentioned. But others may not be as great as people think. ie... dempsey,rocky,Jack Johnson.
yeah agree with those guys that's why i didn't put them in my list of exceptions, although i think rock was a special fighter, but they where too small. I think there skills are exagerated and they wouldn't match well with most heavies, like tyson,lewis,holyfield, even guys like bowe are too big and skilled for most of those guys to overcome. i think those guys belong in the top 10 all time heavies in terms of accomplishments and stuff, but head to head i would not rate them high. joe louis is an exception he had the skills to pay the bills :p
here's something interesting form ray arcel on benny leonard, on how smart he was. he would make you fight his fight not yours.
Ray Arcel, one of the greatest trainers of all time, concurs on Leonard’s ability to out-think his opponent’s, (Anderson pp 121, 148-149), “Boxing is brains over brawn. I don’t care how much ability you got, if you can’t think your just another bum in the park. People ask me who’s the greatest boxer I ever saw pound for pound. I hesitate to say, either Benny Leonard or Ray Robinson. But Leonard’s mental energy surpassed anyone else’s.”
Arcel continued, “Benny Leonard was a picture. He was the one fighter who I felt could name the round with anybody. He could make you do the things you didn’t want to do. If you were a counterpuncher he would make you lead. If you were aggressive he would make you back up. He knew were to hit you…If you look at his record you will see he always fought good fighters. If you didn’t know how to fight, nobody would match you with Benny Leonard
if i said this wrong please don't get offended, i'm on leave and pretty drunk right now.
no ofcourse i'm not offended :) i think your definitly right about that the skills of some fighters way back where lower in generall then today and that there skills where exagerated. but there are some fighter who don't follow that rule like a benny leonard a willie pep, Suger ray robinson, carlos ortiz, ezzard charles(lightheavy),archie moore and a bunch of others. so saying that leonard skills are less because he fought in that era i don't agree, i agree that in general the skills where lower but not with leonard and the fighters i listed.
1.SRR
2.Henry armstrong
3.roberto duran
4.willie pep (before plane crash)
5.leonard
6.hagler
7.whitaker
8.benny leonard
candidates: mayweather if he keeps it up, if he beats cotto and hatton and judah and becomes undisputed welterweight in world i'd put him in too.
there are differences between white and black athletes,
blacks have in general longer legs and arms, and smaller body, whites have bigger body's with smaller arms and legs in general.
indeed blacks dominate 100meters sprints because they have more fast twitch muscle fibers, wich are explosive muscles, so they can run hard for short period of time, they tire quickly those muscles, whites are stronger(in general) look at strong man competition or all strength sports, arm wrestling, olympic weightlifting, strongman competition etc. chin nobody has a edge although if you look at history in boxing whites tend to have the better chins, best heavy chin ever tex cobb, chuvalo(both white) lamotta etc. but ofcourse you have blacks with great chins too hagler, holyfield etc. so every race has it's advantage. it's obvious in american football the runners are usually black, and those quaterback are usually white.
but the differences are very small indeed, 2 olympics ago it was a white man the greek who won the 100 m so there are exceptions, and still the most important factor is envirment, back in the days you had a lot of white guys in boxing because they where poor too, now most white people are rich and blacks are still pooor so they go in sports, but even blacks get richer, that's why they don't box anymore look at heavyweight division.
Gringo, I really appreciate the compliment. Hey I still got Mayweatherfan as my custom title. :D
damn there you are i was looking for you to give you the ward vs judah download a while ago, you had requested, but i could not find you. hehe now i know why...
you all don't like Tarver because he disrespected RJJ. He was trying to get a fight, Roy had been ducking him for a while. Even though Tarver was robbed in the 1st fight, he came back stronger and KO'd roy the next time around. As for the Glen fight, he just out boxed glen the whole fight, landing almost 100 more power shots, and countered him perfact all night. Glen only got that gift decision because he kept coming forward although he was getting punished everytime he came in. Tarver has skills. everyone is talking about roy's age, keep in mind they are the same age.
no way tarver got robbed i had the fight for jones although not by much, jones deserved the win as i believe and the HBO crew he pulled it out in the championship rounds, but no one really deserved this fight, anyway no one got robbed, you can make a case for both guy(i think jones pulled it out) but nobody was robbed.