Whats so hard to understand that they tried to cheat him by removing padding from the gloves , would you be obliging to people wishes that try that in a professional fight .
Floyd let Cotto use MX gloves its got nothing to do with the MX gloves and a awful lot to do with what they tried to do .
i am so misinformed. i thought the drama was during the glove selection process where the glove brand representative would bring the gloves on the table where both teams would select gloves and inspect each other choice gloves. im not aware that the gloves are brought in a secluded place. how dare maidana remove the padding.
algieri has the speed advantage, and will be hard for broner to catch algieri with any strong punches without planting his feet first.
algieri is a speedy in and out fighter, broner wont be able to handle the style.
Even if there were some concrete evidence, they would absolutely refuse to believe it. We would hear the same things we hear with the IRS, when his extended family were getting arrested for a crime ring, etc...political rivals are trying to make him look bad, they're jealous because of all his success, so on and so forth. Nothing is ever Pacman's fault.
i'll explain to you what you had just written. let's say you are a famous person and you allegedly commited a crime and the judge said you should be directly be sent to prison without being tried by the jury because the jury is biased and believed anything you say. it is what you actually implied.
Not that I'm a Floyd fan, I'm a truth fan, but I can tell you with 90% certainty what he was on based on very, very strong, varied and credible accounts.
And no, you do not need to be tested positive to be blatantly cheating. Look at Ben Johnson in 1987. He didn't get busted but he was blatantly cheating.
Lance on one of his explosive raids on the peleton. Marco Pantani. Shane Mosley. Never tested positive. I don't mean this in a mean way but we have to stop living in a fantasy world.
its easy to imagine the possible benefits of PEDs to sprinters or to long distance cyclist but boxing is more than that. how many elite boxers got caught in peds? boxers needed power and stamina but boxing is more skill base and reflex base. what drugs is pac on? please tell me so we can discuss the possibility of that drug that could benefit a boxer in 2 weeks and 6 days usage. who are the boxers that got caught using it while dominating the sport of boxing?
and please tell me the entity of your credible source that made you 90 percent certain that pacs is some drugs that i requested of you to reveal.
Not if one guy is blatantly cheating and if they feel they had reason to believe he was, they're well within their rights to ask for testing that can expose it when the post-fight test is just about useless.
And asking for announced testing is like saying "Let me juice in peace!" It's so suspect it's not even funny.
well they agreed to the testing. the cut-off date is the problem. remember the first negotiation, initially pac wanted 6 weeks and floyd wanted 2. when negotiating both party must move toward the middle. guess what when pac move toward 3 weeks, floyd move to 0 weeks. its so obvious that it's not about blood testing- its about having an alibi to get out of the fight. its weird that floyd fans is not aware of the succeeding alibis- there's so many its not even funny. no floyd fans can ever say what drugs pac is on. its as vague as floyd's uncles aside-meth. if a guy is "blatantly" cheating then he tested positive for something.
You still haven't answered the questions asked.
Giving urine isn't good enough. I think we have enough examples to show it isnt.
There is a reason manny was always willing to give urine and not blood. Superstition and needle fear are not believable reasons to anyone who doesn't love manny.
You are one of the posters accusing jmm. He has passed all urine tests too.
arum is the one who put forward manny's fear of needles. chavit singson(one of manny's hangers on) when ask why manny is not doing random blood testing simply answered "floyd is an american" if nsac could lost manny's blood test for hepatitis and such taken 2 months prior to a morales fight, and have to take it a day before the fight. what could be expected of usada for a RANDOM testing without cut off dates.
it's hard for me to understand why they hadn't met at the the middle of the cut off date. both camps could easily agreed on a 2 weeks cut- off date. i could only think of one reason, both dont want the fight at that particular time. the fans are pressuring them and they need an alibi. they use the cut off date to walk away from the fight. i dont think pacquiao is on some peds. both camps are not sure if they'd win at that time. but pacquiao 2010 and up is confident that he could beat up floyd. floyd is still unsure of himself though- so he has various alibis not about blood testing.
Thank you for your response. I'd be glad to answer you.
1) Everything is wrong with it. You're creating a roadblock. Moreover, it's a common tactic of drug cheaters on the brink of being exposed. Shane Mosley sued. Lance Armstrong. Floyd Landis.
2) Yes, it was the only issue. Mayweather had already signed the bout agreement. So of Pacquiao had signed his, the fight would've gone down in March 2010.
The reason he doesn't want to work with Bob is due to the whole fiasco with trying to make the fight again in 2011/2012 and Arum's 213,499,444 silly excuses. Arum lied to the public about wanting to make the fight while telling the GB-TR mediator in private "we have no desire to pursue a Mayweather fight at this time; were pursuing Marquez 4 on May 5th."
Not to mention Arum slandering Mayweather every chance he gets while trying to undercut his PPVs. Trying to take money out of someone's pocket is NOT the way you build relationships with someone you claim to want to do business with. Come on.
Besides, Arum went ON THE RECORD and said, "we have no desire to do business with Golden Boy Promotions."
So this is why he said after the Cotto fight, "Arum won't let the fight happen." THIS IS THE REASON why they refuse to deal with him; it's too much of a headache. Notice how fast Mayweather-Cotto got made after he left To Prank.
As for the no PPV thing, that's just a common misconception financially illiterate fans run with. How do they think they were going to finance Pacquiao's guarantee? Merchandise and hot dog sales?
For the record, the Canelo fight yielded $75m (max) in gross profits from PPV. PPV is about 80% of the total money pot.
So if the PAC fight generated the same record-breaking numbers, that would have left $90m to the promotion.
People throw around these crazy numbers, as if Mayweather would've kept $200m to himself. Satellite and distributor take about 50-55%.
Do the math. That leaves about $90m + other revenue streams (about $20m). So people saying he would get no PPV don't know what they're talking about. I'm not even sure Pacquiao knew.
3) Yes, sue him after the fight. There would be no cloud of suspicion, he would have a much stronger case, he would've gotten a career high $30m+ purse.
Instead, he went and fought Clottey, lowered his negotiation leverage by drawing half (700K PPV buys) of what Mayweather went on to draw against Mosley while only making around $10m.
Add lawyer fees and owed advances to To Prank and Manny was left with little.
Thank you very much for posing the questions in a nice, sensible and mature manner. I appreciate it.
speculation should not taken as facts. in arguments all party should deal with facts. your post alternate between speculation and irrelevant data not related to the matter at hand.
Given the history of events i'm going to go ahead and say that Manny Pacquiao did indeed request a catch weight for this fight.
Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao vs Chris Algieri... "The Catch Weight Don strikes Again", that should be the name of the event.
let's just say the fighter who is heavier at fight night got the BENEFIT of 144 catch weight. an unbiased person would probably think of that first.
to be honest i would much rather see mayweather vs lara @ 154 at this point (if lara gets by canelo) lara is much more of a threat to mayweather then anyone at 147 or 154. lara is more dangerous then pac even when he was beating up hatton and schooling clottey. and lara's the type fight that literally builds legends..........
we've been arguing for 5 years on who'd win in floyd-manny fight. i know floyd says that manny is not relevant- and it had become instinctual to parrot what floyd says. but in early 2015 floyd would say manny is relevant- and im very sure that you'll be singing a very different tuned.
who cares if they are both not primed- the fight will be serve as closure to all arguments to " who might have won". what happened to the poll who's legacy be hurt more if the fight doesn't happen betwen floyd and many?
Not similar to RJJ tarver 2 at all
biggest reason being RJJ was more likely to "get old overnight" due to his athletic style and relying primarily on reflexes
mayweather is primarily a thinker who is also athletically gifted, who can get by without pure athleticism
not similar at all really, especially when you add in the real sequel; glove gate 2
rjj is more athletic and got more power. and mayweather rely more heavily on reflexes eg. his pullcounter required great reflexes and timing. he can sit on the rope without getting hit because primarily of great reflex.
mayweather would beat maidana easier. this will be a fight that'll showcase why maidana is 12:1 underdog. the gloves controversy just proves that floyd's a b1tch- and doesn't prove that maidana could do better.
by deciding to duck floyd by refusing to take drug testing( i doubt he/was on PEDS, uncle bob probably didn't want manny to lose,but now he has ruined his legacy forever tainted..
think about this: when ever they got interviewed the reporters almost always ask each about the other. pacquiao is calling out floyd and called him scared. and floyd always has an alibi in not making the fight such as "manny just wanted it for money". i got a large collection of 80's music videos downloaded from youtube, im sure some people had downloaded and save floyds interviews with his alibis. those videos will serve as a good reference why the 2 best boxer in this generation havent fought. even if you yourself decided to write a book writing that manny avoided floyd, people will always upload videos of floyds alibis easily disproving your book. floyd's legacy will be tainted not manny's.
I wonder what it must be about America that helps us produce such great fighters.. and I don't want to put it down to talent pool because talent on its own will not bring a fighter to the top of P4P lists.
superior opportunity and culture that enable boxing to become popular. there is no superior boxing gene.
Pac will have a great legacy when its all said and done....
but 2 things hurt manny's legacy
1. rejecting the drug tests the first time trying to make the floyd fight.. That is just unacceptable to walk away from the biggest fight ever over drug testing..
2. Resigning with arum, multiple times.... Manny didnt follow the blueprint that floyd and cotto have used.. Manny being an idiot and resigning with bob arum will affect his legacy because manny missed some big fight over the past 4-5 years, when he could have easily been a free agent like cotto and floyd and work with promoters on a fight by fight basis.......
floyds fans would always say that manny had avoided the blood test, they would not rather say that both camp had not agreed to the cut-off date. saying that manny avoided the blood test and not mentioning the cut-off date is not a spin- it is a lie.
people want them to fight for 5 years now. and the condition that manny leave arum is a condition that floyd demanded only recently. floyd has not mentioned it in the first negotiation, he never mentioned it when he offered manny 40 million. he never mentioned it in the 4 years that the media is interviewing him.
you should not always believe and parrot whatever floyd' d says. floyd is not articulate and always making a fool of himself in interviews- you should not repeat whatever he says.
I am a Pacman fan dude, but I call it how I see it.
I called it straight up I said JMM would knock Pacman out cold with the same right hand he drop his sparmate with and it happened, it was bittersweet but I wasn't surprised, also my predictions are almost always right, I remember telling someone at my work that Danny Garcia would beat Lucas Mattysse they laughed, I also said that Lucas would KO Mike Dallas, also that Bradley will out box Marquez, and so on.
Here are facts
Rios fought the wrong fight, if he fought aggressive like Bradley he would have knocked Pac out, instead he fought like Canelo and tried to out box Pac, and Pac put on a masterful performance but Rios cost himself the fight he could have KO Pac if he fought hungry and ferocious.
Manny has a glass chin and no power above 140
Guerrero owned Manny in sparring, his sparmates vouch for him and even people who saw it said he did, and the sparring partners who sparred both guys both said Guerrero either wins or has a shot to win and hit harder.
Also at this stage anyone with power knocks Pac out, Bradley lifted Pac off his feet and he has no power.
first of all when a person says he is always right in predictions, i have an automatic reaction of mistrust toward that person and brace myself for succeeding bs. im sure team rios got a nice game plan the problem is they are unable to execute it. i dont know hot shot pacquiao is but pacquiao can beat the rios, the maidanas, or guereros. todays pac can always beat those to the punch, can always the first to get off his punches. pacquiao would have problems with the marquez, also of the bradleys. its just a style matchup.
Why do people make these two hbo tv and pacquiao fan hyped mexican guys with huge mexican followings seem like the two greatest fighters ever when in reality they were good but not all time greats look who they lost to in their primes other good fighters such as junior jones barrera not saying they werent good but all time greats no and they lost to pacquiao when they were on the downslide tho morales beat him the first time the last two times were jokes
barrera, morales and mayweather are undefeated in their 41'st fights. but barrera and morales fought HOF fighters after their 41'st.
lost a lot of respect for my favorite ref last night...not a single warning for all that holding...people at the fight party actually started mingling and stopped paying attention by the 6th round..it was pretty sad
bayless over reacted to the biting incident. he kind of protected floyd after that.
Actually Jim Rome called
Floyd on it and Floyd called out Manny, and thats when Arum came up with building a stadium for the fight and Manny/Arum declined Mayweather to fight Clottey in Cowboy STADIUM. Yep arum said they needed to build a stadium and then fought in a STADIUM that seats over 100k. Says something dont you think. Cowboy stadium was available but he chose to fight Clottey instead of a Floyd fight, in Cowboy stadium. :ugh:
its the same week that koncz visited mayweathers gym to say that arum is not part of the negotiation. but floyd is "not thinking about boxing" at that particular time. manny wants it. arum and floyd not too much.
no offense man but get a freaking life
and you registered in nsb in september and got more post than me. get a life too man. i think the TS posted good information.
It was supposed to be Cotto-Bundrage in Brooklyn last year and Showtime turned down the fight so Cotto took his talents back to HBO and fought Rodriguez. Now is the perfect time to do the fight as a tune up before Canelo.
how about clottey. cotto had won only by sd.
Floyd has 4 of the 5 biggest gates in Vegas history- 2 of those were the Maidana fights. MGM will surely give arena to Floyd.
GBP just lost the backing from the company that owns Staples center and about 100 other big US arenas. WHere exactly is he going to stage fight?
Lets stop making Canelo and Cotto bigger than they are.I know a lot of you hate this-but Canelo and Cotto are not big names to mainstream, middle class US casual fans that purchase ppv's. Floyd is, despite his "brand" and name taking a huge hit with all the BS and DV stuff.
Interesting to see where all this goes. But Floyd is a proven commodity-the other guys, not so much. Floyd is still seen as the best in the business-and he beat these 2.
Time will tell.
Floyd got 30 million guarantee. and if maidana-maweather2 sell 900k pvp mayweather-khan may sell the same way. but if there are 2 pvp in cinco de mayo floyd may sell more pvp than cotto-canelo but showtime will loss more.
pvp is not an exact math. circumstances surrounding the fight will boost pvp. even if canelo and cotto got lower pvp buys on their own if they fight in may 5, they'll have a good back story. mexico vs puerto rico, taking back cinco de mayo from floyd- will boost mexican nationalistic pride.
Major corporations wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole due to his woman beating ways.
you cant change what happened in the past but
floyd could apologize publicly and admit he has problems- and would be undergoing therapy.
i wonder why he aint doing that. it will worth millions in the long run.
but he is labeled as a ducker now- he will get rid of that stigma only by fighting pacquiao.
after he beat pacquiao and resolve his family problems endorsement could come.
no one would ever question his opponent selection if only he got in the ring with manny once. he could extend his 32m per fight contract and he could fight bums because nobody is really out there to fight after he beat pacquiao.
Supposedly Floyd has no respect, yet he's the richest athlete in the Nation.
Who cares about human respect then? It's overrated.
Don't get me wrong, I want to see May vs Pac like everyone else. However, this respect thing is funny.
i'm just saying if you are a public figure and selling your fights to fans respect makes sense.
how much easier to sell fights if you have commercials on tv.
you got paid on endorsement too.
mayweather on not fighting pacquiao and being labeled as a coward in a fight sports is hurting his reputation.
imagine if he had fought and beaten pacquiao- the endorsement, the guarantees, his legacy.
What? Clottey didn't want to win that fight. He was there for a check and only a check.
Lets not forget Cotto was boxing Clottey with blood getting in his eye through out the fight and yet Clottey couldn't even finish him off.
it could go either way. but clottey is moving cotto with his punches. clottey got more skills, more durable and faster.
clottey just stop punching in the later rounds.
cotto may have won the fight. but clottey is the superior fighter in that fight.
Really nothing more to be said in this thread.
you had said much on "ariza shakes" in the past. lost for words on them heredia shakes and ariza shakes?
LOL! I hope respect will put food on the table for you and your family. I'll take the money DOE!
respect= endorsement deals.
mayweather+ respect= endorsement=big money
respect makes sense.