Who are the non-american fighters who held the title of "#1 P4P"

Here's a clue...Americans compile the PFP lists. Any US fighter with a bit of hype gets artificially boosted up the list, see Broner - they're instantly given recognition that wouldn't necessarily go to an overseas fighter, particularly if he's not fighting on US TV. Naw, you're wrong. We just happen to have a very high standard for the P4P#1 spot and most foreign fighters never reach it. Very few Americans do either for that matter. You have to be very skilled and constantly winning at the world championship level to get there.

I wonder what it must be about America that helps us produce such great fighters.. and I don't want to put it down to talent pool because talent on its own will not bring a fighter to the top of P4P lists. superior opportunity and culture that enable boxing to become popular. there is no superior boxing gene.

Here's a clue...Americans compile the PFP lists. Any US fighter with a bit of hype gets artificially boosted up the list, see Broner - they're instantly given recognition that wouldn't necessarily go to an overseas fighter, particularly if he's not fighting on US TV. The positive is automatically seen in the home fighter, whereas foreigners who are treated with scepticism, have to do more just to get the same recognition if not fighting in the US. If Andre Ward was from Poland or somewhere he'd have been dropped from the list long ago due to inactivity, similarly if Mayweather was from Indonesia he would have been dropped down the list for not fighting the best opponents and fighting only in his backyard, and Tim Bradley would never have made it to No.3. You can bet a Ukrainian PFP list would have Wladimir at No.1 and if he was a American HW champ he'd be at No.1. In other words, the lists are biased, subjective and not too much should be read into them. Bias can of course be a factor , but it is not enough to justify the almost undisputed superiority of american boxers troughout the history of the sport. Mayweather comes from a family of professional boxers, it's much rarer to find the same situation in Indonesia. He had access to elite training facilities and trainers, once again, not as easy in Indonesia. Mayweather's second fight was on tv in the US , if he was from Indonesia nobody would have invested that kind of money for his second fight unless he moved to the US. Your point about Broner is spot on, but it's about money, not nationality. Canelo is Mexican, yet he was in some p4p list after beating Trout. Potential "cash cows" in general are pushed into the p4p list and handed out belts, not only Americans. Lomachenko is Ukrainian , out of 3 professional fights he had two title shots. His second title shot was handed after a defeat.

I wonder what it must be about America that helps us produce such great fighters.. and I don't want to put it down to talent pool because talent on its own will not bring a fighter to the top of P4P lists. Here's a clue...Americans compile the PFP lists. Any US fighter with a bit of hype gets artificially boosted up the list, see Broner - they're instantly given recognition that wouldn't necessarily go to an overseas fighter, particularly if he's not fighting on US TV. The positive is automatically seen in the home fighter, whereas foreigners who are treated with scepticism, have to do more just to get the same recognition if not fighting in the US. If Andre Ward was from Poland or somewhere he'd have been dropped from the list long ago due to inactivity, similarly if Mayweather was from Indonesia he would have been dropped down the list for not fighting the best opponents and fighting only in his backyard, and Tim Bradley would never have made it to No.3. You can bet a Ukrainian PFP list would have Wladimir at No.1 and if he was a American HW champ he'd be at No.1. In other words, the lists are biased, subjective and not too much should be read into them.

Tu madre y mi madre.

Pacquiao, Chavez, Duran. Was Trinidad ever recognized as #1?

I wonder what it must be about America that helps us produce such great fighters.. and I don't want to put it down to talent pool because talent on its own will not bring a fighter to the top of P4P lists. There are many factors. First and foremost money , from Rocky Graziano to Bernard Hopkins and Mike Tyson: boxin in the US has been a way of making money for those who otherwise would get little if any money without resorting to crime. Poverty is everywhere, but f you want to make money with boxing the US is the right place. That's why relatively small or poor countries like Itay, Spain and Brazil have a great tradition in football. Of course the United States have other pecularities that may have helped the developent of a combat sport, like the highest imprisonment rate in the world. For an ex inmate (again Bhop, Graziano) boxing could very well become the only way to make money and stay out of jail. Also, as conseguence of this all,the US have produced the best trainers in the sport, the biggest fighters used to fight in the US quite often, regardless of their nationality. This tendency has partially shifted since Klitschko found out that he could make enough money in Germany , while in the US he was (rightfully) booed. I expect this trend to continue, with locations like Macau (and maybe Dubai) becoming more and more central.

did monzon ever hold the top spot? who has held the p4p title longer regardless of ethnicity? Hagler held it I believe from 81-86, Duran had it most of the 70s, and Floyd had he not retired briefly would have probably held it from 2005-present day, Roy jones was consider 1 from 94-03, those are the longest that I can recall

Ability. We are just more capable. As they say, the proof is in the pudding. Johnson, Dempsey, Louis, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson. 7 heavyweights. Better than every other country in every weight class in the history of boxing combined. The proof is in the pudding. What else is in that pudding?:ninja:

I wonder what it must be about America that helps us produce such great fighters.. and I don't want to put it down to talent pool because talent on its own will not bring a fighter to the top of P4P lists.

Pacquiao, Chavez, Duran. Those are the names I came up with as well.

Lennox Lewis?

did monzon ever hold the top spot? who has held the p4p title longer regardless of ethnicity?

Pacquiao, Chavez, Duran.