So I guess Usyk will fight Ruiz on May 5th since Canelo is not fighting and it just makes sense to have a Mexican name fighting that day.
The same Ruiz who’s fought 4 times in 6 years (going 2-1-1)? Hard to see that even on that weekend.
Interesting fight. Stevenson is the type fighter that gives Lopez problems but Lopez always performs better vs better competition. Stevenson by close but unanimous decision. 115-113 2X and 116-112.
Yet you still needed to be in first preempting the outcome of the thread. For what reason? To score some petty point over other posters you've spent too long bickering with?
Hard to get quality wins when the best fighters (Canelo, Bivol) won’t fight you.
Like when Floyd got popped with Illegal iv masking agents ped man
No that’s just made up garbage fools like you want to believe. Margacheato was caught red handed
Zayas is Puerto Rican and there are a lot of Puerto Rican fans that will come out to watch a Puerto Rican champion.
That's why there's a belt on the line.
So that’s good enough to compete for a supposed world championship fight?
He won’t fight Vergil Ortiz in Las Vegas on PPV for 50/50 purse split.
Bakhram would surely fight him in Puerto Rico and likely won’t command a big purse.
You think Zayas/Ortis was gonna be a ppv fight? Naw, just another bluff from Oscar. Zayas/Bakhram would be good fight though.
We’re going back a ways but I would have like to have seen Salvador Sanchez and Eusebio Pedroza fight. Both long time featherweight champions at the same time.
I've just casually checked some polls online and in the first page search results came up with these. Whether I or you can say they're credible I don't know
GiveMeSport.com .
20 greatest boxers of all time
Yardbarker.com
Ring generals: The 25 greatest pf p boxers of all time
Ranker.com
The Greatest boxers of all time
Pac is above floyd in all of them though that I've listed here
CREDIBLE????? And most CREDIBLE lists don’t have Floyd or Manny top 10 and all of them have Floyd rated higher than Manny.
Yes, you keep saying floyd should be ranked higher and you also claim history will to?
But no really acceptable explanation why?.Your explanation is usually along lines of, he has a win over pac, he never lost?
I try to be reasonable and reply calzaghe has a win over hopkins and rjj and never lost. I say marciano has win over Joe Louis and never lost.
Why is floyd so entitled?. Joe calzaghe and marciano are going to feel hard done by, with floyd being shown favouritism.
Floyd doesn't need to be ranked higher than Ali, or SRR but there's an almost desperation that floyd has to be ranked above pac for some reason?
Here the best explanation why, all CREDIBLE all time lists already have Floyd rated higher than Pacquiao. Do you think that’s gonna magically change somehow? As I posted, you can disagree and not like that but it’s a straight up fact.
if he had gotten the decision against a 38 year old floyd who had been cherry picking for years and years to artificially extend his career he would be the greatest? dont think so and i scored that fight for pac since he was the one landing all the clean punches with leverage and body weight while floyd was leaning away, off balance, had no leverage on on all his shots because he extended himself too much while leaning back and this naturally resulted in a lot of grazes, misses and light touches instead of clean punches like pac was landing. this is why its so detrimental to duck fighters. no one gets an accurate beat on who is actually good and who isnt. if someone beats innoue right now. no one is saying well he was old and cherry picking. castillo beat a better version of floyd. hes not the greatest. an over the hill pac beat an over the hill floyd. not bad but ironically it doesnt mean that much just like floyds wins over all those old guys dont mean that much.
Didn’t read past you scoring Floyd/Pac for manny. It nullified anything else you posted. You seem to always have a negative view of black fighters (Floyd, Ward, Wilder).
I was just playing along the with the fantasy. Floyd beats Manny 7/10 times at 140-147.
I didn’t see anything in that fight that leads me to believe Manny could ever beat Floyd.
So only lists where pac isn't top ten and below floyd is credible? I see, you are trying to invent a game only you can win? Gotcha.
Every legitimate list (ESPN, Ring, etc) has Floyd rated ahead of Pac. That’ll happen when one fighter scores a lopsided win over the other. Oh I forgot, you’re the Dbag who once posted that wins/losses mean little.
So many over the years. I’ll just name three that immediately come to mind.
Duran-Leonard I: An ATG fight by any standards. Two of the all-time greatest at their weight — indeed, P4P — and in their primes. How often do you see that anymore? A razor-close match-up between two finely honed fighting machines, and the struggle lived up to the hype. Just doesn’t get any better.
Castillo-Corrales I: Yet another bout that regularly appears on such lists. That one was something to watch. Drama on a large scale. Rare is the fight that measures-up for sheer guts and excitement.
Qawi-Holyfield I: Incredible. One of the best fights you’ll ever see. I watched this on live, free TV. Those were the days.
I forgot about Holy/Qawi. Great fight.
I do not recall Floyd vs Cotto like that or some late surge from Cotto? If anything it came from Floyd.
I recall Floyd winning early, Cotto making adjustments and taking the middle rounds then Floyd made adjustments and pulled away in the late rounds.
From memory it was competitive through 9 then all Floyd
To answer op; Maidana did a lot better.
I gave Maidana 5 rounds (1st fight), from memory I think I only gave Manny 3
I’ve been here for a decade. In that time every post you make here has been unbiased, truthful and intelligent.
ESPN who did the list that Floyd Boy Stephen A
He probably don't know anybody past Floyd
Like I said the sources that have Floyd ahead are the only credible ones
You can disagree and not like it forever but the fact remains, history will ALWAYS recognize Floyd as the superior fighter over Manny. It is what it is.
Al Haymon ruined that fight, if I remember correctly. He called an audible in the 11th hour after the shared Kovalev/Stevenson card and tired demand/negotiate triple the purse for a Stevenson vs Fonfara fight and they'd talk 'after' that fight took place. HBO declined, didn't air the fight and Stevenson eventually moved to Showtime permanently after that.
Some of that is true but Kathy Duva/Kovalev petitioned the WBC to become Stevensons #1 contender. The request was granted and then Duva/Kovalev didn’t participate in the purse bid. Crazy……
Any list is biased if they have floyd above pac. Claiming a unbeaten record, when most think you lost at least 4 time, never fought outside backyard, never gave rematches and ducked fighting young lions, then Floyd's unbeaten record means nothing. You'd be correct there.
Who cares if floyd has a win over pac and scared to give rematch? SRL has 3 wins over duran, what does it mean? Duran is still greater. Horn has a win over pac, what does it mean?
Floyd's just a name collector it didn't matter to floyd the circumstances. That's not greatness. Greatness is challenging yourself. Like floyd fighting ggg, and not getting koed, although.losing to ggg. That's great as everyone would expect floyd to be koed.
History will ALWAYS recognize Floyd as the superior fighter over Manny. You don’t have to like it but it is what it is.
Tell me that story again about how wins/losses mean nothing.
The cash cow of boxing (Canelo) ran from a Benevidez fight like a scared little girl for more than 3 years. Tired of Canelo’s ducking, Benevidez moves up to Lt heavy and the champ and p4p top 5 (Bivol) drops a belt rather than fight him.
Maybe Bob’s money got Zayas in position for the title shot, but the belt was vacated and he’s #1 so, he’s gonna get the shot.
Perez has won like 7 or 8 straight fights, was in WBO top 5 rankings and beat WBO #2 Charles Conwell in his last fight and took his spot. Again the belt is vacant, so he got the fight.
should #3 Josh Kelly have got the fight?
Kinda flimsy resume for a supposed world title fight huh?
Monzon-Benvenuti 1
Tito-Vargas
Daniel Zaragoza-Paul Banke 2 (all 3 are good)
Probably those 3 my favourites but there’s like 100+ to add.
In the late 70s/early 80s, Bazooka Limon, Cornelius Bosa-Edwards, Bobby Chacon and Rolando Navarette took turns trying to kill each other for the WBC 130 lb belt. All action every fight. None could beat Arguello but savage action. I singled you out because I respect your opinion and I’m sure you watched all these fights.
Both best floyd arguably. But my aunty who I was watching fight with was pleading with ref to save Floyd from further punishment against the cruel maidana. Plus maidens got his rematch. So id say maidens did better.
Although floyd fans will say maidens fight was closer that's why he got rematch, whereas floyd was most likely scared of pac more and took money and ran from pac. Quit whilst ahead so to speak
This poster is more limited in the intelligence department than any other poster I’ve seen in my years here and that’s saying a lot.