PBF sites his record as 50 - 0 proving he is best. Yet Chavez went undefeated for 90 fights (89?) before he lost his first fight! If only a fighters record prove his greatness JCC beats Floyd.
But there is more to greatness than that. Tyson says Floyd isnt great because he isnt liked, because he cant walk down the street without a bodyguard. Tyson says Ali could and he (Tyson) still can. Both are loved.
Teddy Atlas Says greatness is facing adversity and finding a way to win. To get up and win when all seems lost. Ali did that v Liston, Frazier, and Foreman. Chavez did it v Meldrick Taylor, and arguably Whittaker. Did Floyd ever fight an all time great and have to dig deep to come back and win?
Quality of opposition. Did Ali fight in a better era than Floyd? Did Chavez fight PFP better opponents than Floyd?
Fight style. Who was it that said Pacman beat Floyd 'because all floyd did was run'? Floyd was a boring fighter, so bad people wanted to see him get beaten. Does that count against his 'greatness'? Ali was great to watch during his career. Though towards the end it got pretty bad. I cant remember Chavez being in a boring fight.
Fighters opinion. Seems very few actual world renowned boxers rate Floyd as the greatest. Most pick Ali.
So, is Floyd the greatest, or mostly in his own mind?
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Sugar Robinson
Harry Greb
Henry Armstrong
Sam Langford
Muhammad Ali
Ezzard Charles
Roberto Duran
Joe Louis
Willie Pep
Sugar Leonard
Floyd
Benny Leonard
Jack Johnson
Archie Moore
Manny
Unless you want to call a 0-0 ufc fighter in his prime
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You Pac Bois are so easy :boxing:
Yes, you can tell he would like floyd to be no1. But as all.eyes are on him.he has to put on a false face to not look sillier than he does already look.
Yes, Parnell is above floyd too, I didn't mention all names.
Whoever you have above May is 10 spots above Pac :boxing:
Excuses excuses and not even good ones
He didn't want to fight Manny he cherrypick Marcos Madonna c fighter extraordinare
Your God wasn't in the mood to roll up his sleeve without 21 days notice :haha:
Anyways in the process of cherrypicking the c fighters c fighter Marcos Madonna,
Maidana > HORN (oops :lol1: ), Broner ( :) ), Baby Margarito, Clottey, Vargas, DONE La Hoya, Lucas, Cherrios,
Because Sugar Robinson is the GOAT
Floyd is among the very best ability wise
But I have Floyd at 11 just outside of the top 10 right behind Sugar Leonard
When Manny finally accepted an offer, the fight happened.
More like when Manny became a 30% risk and Floyd wasn't as scared the fight happened
Anyways in the process of cherrypicking the c fighters c fighter Marcos Madonna, Floyd once again takes the path of least resistance and ducks Thurman and Khan two fast skilled guys both called him out ad nauseum. Thurman was his longtime mandatory and Khan beat Madonna out in the poll that Floyd put up
Why Floyd never answers the phone when being called out except for lightweight Marquez
He was trying to get the better opponent, Manny, to fight him. But he kept refusing.
Excuses excuses and not even good ones
He didn't want to fight Manny he cherrypick Marcos Madonna c fighter extraordinare
You said it right that Floyd shoe shine boy has Floyd above everybody from beating b and c listers with a strap
Yes, you can tell he would like floyd to be no1. But as all.eyes are on him.he has to put on a false face to not look sillier than he does already look.
Yes, Parnell is above floyd too, I didn't mention all names.
Then there is the post ODH period as the cash cow where he did things the same way they were done to him.
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That's the problem he should have gave guys like Khan and Thurman their shot instead of being so butthurt
Yes it does. Manny is beneath them.
It's Pernell, then it don't matter where you slot the rest
Lol. All those guys except for Floyd kept fighting prime guys until they retired.
Unless you want to call a 0-0 ufc fighter in his prime
Look stop kidding yourself. You.got floyd no1. Don't worry where anyone else has him. In your list floyd is no1.Don't be shy In wanting that to be reality
In boxing historians or boxing fans eyes floyd is below Pac, RJJ, duran,SRL, Ali, Armstrong, SRR.
Those reached for the stars.
You said it right that Floyd shoe shine boy has Floyd above everybody from beating b and c listers with a strap
Yes you do. But lying has become your go to.
He is above Manny and Bhop. Possibly Roy as well.
I don’t think anyone has him above Ali, SRR, Duran or Armstrong.
Manny
Floyd
Roy
Bhop
Pernell
They all pretty much lumped together.
Pernell is above all of them
Yes you do. But lying has become your go to.
He is above Manny and Bhop. Possibly Roy as well.
I don’t think anyone has him above Ali, SRR, Duran or Armstrong.
Look stop kidding yourself. You.got floyd no1. Don't worry where anyone else has him. In your list floyd is no1.Don't be shy In wanting that to be reality
In boxing historians or boxing fans eyes floyd is below Pac, RJJ, duran,SRL, Ali, Armstrong, SRR.
Those reached for the stars.
Yes, I had to step in when I heard that floyd supposedly landed 148 punches in.1 fight? In Floyd's entire career 148 power punches would sound more like it
Let's be real you not throwing no 400 plus punches total if you running/holding all night those are some bogus numbers
You deleted a post you made stating all the boxers Floyd needed to beat to be an ATG. You did so because he beat everyone you listed.
You have 0 credibility.
Long as you saw the judges scoring and the ref hold up Floyd’s arm as the winner.
Non stop boxing only holds so much back history I honestly don't know what your saying.
Floyd is an ATG. I just have issue with him being a higher ATG than some of his overzealous fans want. Put floyd below pac, rjj, hopkins, duran, SRL,Ali, Armstrong, and a few others and I'm fine with that.
He didn't land no 148 punches that is straight bs
He didn't even throw any combinations
Yes, I had to step in when I heard that floyd supposedly landed 148 punches in.1 fight? In Floyd's entire career 148 power punches would sound more like it
Have the gloves got pressure sensors on? I didn't see no 148 punches land
He didn't land no 148 punches that is straight bs
He didn't even throw any combinations
Floyd landed148 of 435 punches
That's some bs right there. He didn't even throw that many no less land that many, and he definitely didn't land any neck snapping punches.
Oh he must have grazed Manny's shoulder 148 times