Margarito loaded gloves vs Cotto(100% MYTH)

"Margarito used loaded gloves vs Cotto" has to take the cake as the most insane myth in the history of sports. I just watched a clip of Jim Lampley on Joe Rogan podcast talking about it like it was an undisputed concrete fact. You literally can not find even a single soul in the universe accusing Margarito of loading gloves or plaster or anything suspi cious related to gloves or wraps or any equipment what so ever. Not Cotto or anyone associated with Cotto, no one in the commission, no one involved in the promotion or HBO. Not a news article, not a video, not a message board post, not a tweet, not even a youtube comment.... NOTHING. Zero suspi cion what so ever Then he next fight he gets caught attempting to use loaded gloves vs Mosley and people create this fantastical completely retroactive fairytale about him using loaded gloves against Cotto. Let's breakdown how Margarito got caught attempting to use loaded gloves vs Mosley. He literally got caught during the first possible procedure. There are multiple procedures before during and after the fight in which loaded gloves would get caught. But somehow people believe Naz im Richardson was the most diligent person in the world and only he could catch it. To believe he got away with using loaded gloves in a fight without getting caught requires the ref and commission all to have conspired with each other on behalf of Margarito and lie at multiple points before during and after the match Reminder there has never been any investigation what so ever(nor has Cotto ever requested or even mentioned wanting one... hmmm I wonder why) in to Margarito using loaded gloves vs Cotto or in any other actual boxing match. Only his attempt vs Mosley. Literally the only evidence that anyone had ever even tried to come up with for him using loaded gloves was a picture of Margarito after the fight with some red dye on his wraps(obviously from the red gloves). I guess trying to insinuate that his knuckles are bloody from the plaster lol. Also to believe Margarito was using loaded gloves means you must believe guys like Clottey and Paul Williams have faces and arms and torsos made of steal because how were they not cut getting hit with plaster? Why is there zero talk about there superhumanly durable skin? So in closing can we please give up this silly myth in 2025. What is easier to believe? ‐ Commisions and refs from several states and countries all pulled off a massive cover up lasting years and years. - Joshua Clottey and dozens of other opponents have superhuman skin. - Naz im Richardson has xray plaster vision. - That Margarito and his trainers are such masterful cheaters that he pulled it all off with zero susp icion from any opponent then suddenly get caught right away. Or that Cotto just got his ass kicked. ???????

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Finito2K(edited)

Keith Kizer, head of the Nevada State Athletic Commission at the time of Margarito-Cotto 1 went on record stating there was no issue with Margarito's handwraps. He pointed out that at the NSAC provided the gauze used by both fighters to wrap their respective hands. Link below. https://nypost.com/2009/01/29/kizer-margarito-was-clean-vs-cotto/

3mo ago

SCtrojansbaby

Not saying he didn't have something rendering the wraps non regulation but do you think if they were hard like a cast that they would even need chemical tests to prove that? they could just touch them with their hands and say....yup illegal and then show everyone at a presser by banging the wraps on the desk for everyone to see and hear as they make a hard thump. I can only conclude given the inconsistency of the story and wishy washy findings is that whatever he did was far less egregious than we are led to believe. I think it was most likely a "gause pad" that was worn in that Margarito had been using in camp and was hardened from dirty sweat and open blisters being soaked in and dried out. The plaster like substance was probably nothing more than coincidence. If you have done construction work you take off your socks at the end of the day and when they eventually dry out they get like almost crunchy. Either way against the rules and he deserved to be punished for attempting use it

3mo ago

IronDanHamza

Yeah of course that is what they did because they couldn't show anyone these alleged cast like wraps because they never existed. They have pictures of the confiscated wraps you stupid cunt :lol1: Nobody said it was a "Cast like wrap". They found banned substances on his wraps after they were investigated and thus Margarito was banned. What realms of idiocy are we entering here? That these wraps don't even exist and they just banned Margarito and his trainer for no reason? Did you eat crayons for breakfast this morning?

3mo ago

IronDanHamza

Not saying he didn't have something rendering the wraps non regulation but do you think if they were hard like a cast that they would even need chemical tests to prove that? they could just touch them with their hands and say....yup illegal and then show everyone at a presser by banging the wraps on the desk for everyone to see and hear as they make a hard thump. I can only conclude given the inconsistency of the story and wishy washy findings is that whatever he did was far less egregious than we are led to believe. They confiscated them, took them to a lab, had them checked over and found BANNED SUBSTANCES. After CONCLUDING this, they banned both Margarito and his trainer from boxing for a year. What part of this is your handicapped brain not understanding?

3mo ago

IronDanHamza

But not plaster, first Richardson was like "and a block fell out" so he felt some inserts at first he claims fell out of the wraps when he wanted them inspected and re-wrapped but mentioned nothing about them being hard like a cast then later this absolutely wild story somes out about him having plaster loaded wraps which was found to be false. Are you missing the part where banned substances were found on his wraps?

3mo ago

IronDanHamza

Don't be gullible, he wasn't even banned he fought outside of the U.S during this, they got their story and he suffered no consequences then fought on after that. Do you really think they would ever let him fight again if he really used plaster loaded wraps in a fight or even attempted to? Think hard on this now. Erm, no. He was banned by the CSAC. That's a fact. Do you know what the word "fact" means? Type it into google. He was banned for 1 year, for being caught with BANNED SUBSTANCES on his wraps. What part of that are you not understanding?

3mo ago

IronDanHamza

Yes the evidence was found to be inconclusive as to whether he had plaster loaded wraps in fact they found that he did not but that he had "some of the elements used to make plaster" and as a result was banned for a year so that they wouldn't look like fools for making a big deal out of nothing but Richarson's psych gamesmanship prior to the fight. Wait wait wait, let me get this straight here, they banned Margarito and his trainer "so they wouldn't look like fools for making a big deal" and NOT because they found BANNED SUBSTANCES on his gloves? Are you fuckin retarded dude? Like, legitimately a dribbling spastic? You can't just be a general low IQ person and say something this painfully dumb on a public forum without having legitimate learning difficulties. You also do not know what the word "inconclusive" means. You can't do. I'd advise looking it up on google.

3mo ago

IronDanHamza

not plaster of paris itself so nothing, why is it so hard for people to accept that he took everything Cotto threw at him early in the fight, walked him down, mixed it up to the body and head until Cotto had enough and quit. I always wonder why people make statements on things they've no clue about. Is there a reason you do that? Talk nonsense from a place of overt ignorance? I'm not talking about Cotto, DUMBASS. I'm talking about the Mosley fight whereby you've claimed the evidence found was inconclusive and nothing. When in actual reality they found calcium sulfate on this gloves. Do you understand what that means, to find these substances on his gloves? Can you take a wild guess why after finding these substances that Margarito and Capetillo were banned from boxing for a year? Think really hard.

3mo ago

ELPacman

not plaster of paris itself so nothing, why is it so hard for people to accept that he took everything Cotto threw at him early in the fight, walked him down, mixed it up to the body and head until Cotto had enough and quit. He did the same thing in the rematch and Cotto stopped him instead. As Cotto said it himself, he was standing this time. Instead of asking why is it hard for people to accept that when why not the question be, why do you continue to defend a potential criminal that could have killed someone in the ring? Is it your hatred for Cotto? Your love for being Mexican? Your hatred towards Puerto Ricans in general? What on earth makes you side with the criminal of boxing?

3mo ago

IronDanHamza

He beat Cotto fair and square, Cotto just didn't deal with the pressure and ended up quitting on his knees. What was found in the investigation which I read in reference to the wraps he attempted to enter the ring with against Mosley was pretty inconclusive. "some of the elements used to make plaster". So nothing then. They literally found calcium sulfate on his gloves, which are the elements of plaster of paris, to which he was banned for using said illegal substances on his gloves. How do you then land on that being "inconclusive" and "nothing"? It is the literal opposite of both of those words.

3mo ago

ELPacman(edited)

Oh and since I posted that Cotto-Margarito video, THIS popped up on my feed. Mosley explaining it and basically how they can also get by the post fight check.

3mo ago

daggum

It's not unreasonable to suspect Margarito was cheating prior to the Mosley fight. While there isn't legal evidence that he cheated versus Cotto, his performance in the rematch was a complete 180. he was half blind in that fight already, not to mention when he started coming on strong cotto basically quit again by having the ref stop the fight because margaritos eye was busted even though it had been busted for most of the fight? what perfect timing...they were fine with letting him fight when he was being beaten up, but when he started to beat up cotto stop the fight his eye is busted! then cotto tried to act tough staring at margarito after the fight...seriously? you just got bailed out by the ref

3mo ago

ELPacman

Cotto isnt the 1 who would pay for the investigation lol, the state would pay for it and it was a huge scandal theres plenty of money for it. He nor anyone else ever even asked for it, **** have they even mentioned wanting one? Surely if Cotto can find a screenshot thats conclusive evidence it would warrant an investigation. Why not any of Margarito's other opponents ask for investigation? The idea that he could have gotten away with it if ****m didnt ask whatever is so insane. They take the wraps and gloves after every fight, the commission feels the wraps once they are on, they feel the gloves when they are on too. The idea that when ****m asked is the only possible point in which this could have been caught is laughable Using your logic why cheat vs Cotto why not cheat his whole career? Paul Williams, Daniel Santos and Josh Clottey must have plaster resistant skin? Is taking beatings, inactivity, moving up in weight, changing trainers not how most careers fall of a cliff? In closing the narrative was fabricated 100% entirely retroactively, never been investigated, makes absolutely no sense. Yet somehow even someone like Jim Lampley takes it as a complete FACT. So you're saying, he was going to use it vs Mosley, knowing full well that they take the wraps and gloves off every fight and they were Okay with that? I'm sure they've done it before and had a way to sneak it out of the padding or whatever before anyone could catch it. Don't ask me how. Though just stating, if you acknowledge they check everything after the fight, why would they attempt to do it vs Mosley and expect not to get caught after the fight? They had to know of a way to bypass this. Regarding Clottey, PW and Daniel Santos. I'd have to go back and rewatch them, but if I recall, Clottey's face did look puffier than normal at the end of the fight, similar to Cotto, though yes, I think they did have better punch resistance overall. Cotto had been rocked in other fights though typically had a solid chin. PW getting iced by Martinez dealt more with the speed and angle of the punch that he didn't see it coming. I do agree that a lot of fighters can go on the downward slide when they move up in weight, though not always. I just think it was a dramatic drop for Margarito after being bust with glovegate.

3mo ago

SCtrojansbaby(edited)

Must have 5 characters to post this. Cotto isnt the 1 who would pay for the investigation lol, the state would pay for it and it was a huge scandal theres plenty of money for it. He nor anyone else ever even asked for it, shit have they even mentioned wanting one? Surely if Cotto can find a screenshot thats conclusive evidence it would warrant an investigation. Why not any of Margarito's other opponents ask for investigation? The idea that he could have gotten away with it if Nazim didnt ask whatever is so insane. They take the wraps and gloves after every fight, the commission feels the wraps once they are on, they feel the gloves when they are on too. The idea that when Nazim asked is the only possible point in which this could have been caught is laughable Using your logic why cheat vs Cotto why not cheat his whole career? Paul Williams, Daniel Santos and Josh Clottey must have plaster resistant skin? Is taking beatings, inactivity, moving up in weight, changing trainers not how most careers fall of a cliff? In closing the narrative was fabricated 100% entirely retroactively, never been investigated, makes absolutely no sense. Yet somehow even someone like Jim Lampley takes it as a complete FACT.

3mo ago

ELPacman

If there is conclusive evidence why wasn't it ever investigated? why didnt Cotto ever publicly ask for it to be investigated? Why didnt any other Margarito opponent ever ask for it to be investigated? Investigations cost a lot of money. Perhaps they truly didn't have enough evidence to go back in time and uncover what happened. You're going to have mostly footage of angles of the wraps maybe that can be reviewed from the tapes and speaking with people who won't admit the truth on Margarito's side. Perhaps Cotto figured the damage was already done, I'll get him in the rematch to keep it simple. Again there are multiple checks after you put the wraps on. How did Margarito get away with using illegal wraps with out the commission being negligent or helping him cheat If Nazeem Richardson didn't ask for them to check the wraps and the thing fell out, he would have gotten away with it. Just as he could have vs anyone else when nobody asked to have them checked. as I stated in the OP literally can not show me a single soul on earth who thought there was something up with Margarito's gloves or wraps or anything else, nothing from Cotto, nothing in the media, nothing on a message board, nothing even in a youtube comment. The theory was created entirely retroactively All we know is Margarito attempted to cheat vs Mosley. Everything else is a fairytale But WHY cheat vs Mosley? The dude was supposedly on the downside of his career. Cotto beat Mosley which means Margarito should beat Mosley having beaten Cotto,right? I know that algorithm usually doesn't work in boxing, but in this situation with a guy like Margarito and again, Mosley being on the downside, I feel it would have applied. So you're telling me he felt a big threat vs Mosley over Cotto? lol. Mosley whose also a guy who came up from the lighter weight classes and didn't carry the same brutal power at WW as he did lightweight. It just doesn't make sense. Yeah he took a brutal beating, didn't fight for over a year, moved up in weight, new trainer, thats how like 90% of boxer's career's sink Some do, some don't. They actually do better moving up a weight class that they may have been struggling with. A new trainer can help elevate their career. Sounds like Cotto's career after welterweight... Must have 5 characters to post this.

3mo ago

SCtrojansbaby

It's not unreasonable to suspect Margarito was cheating prior to the Mosley fight. While there isn't legal evidence that he cheated versus Cotto, his performance in the rematch was a complete 180. Yeah that had nothing to do with getting stopped twice, fighting in a different weight class, with a different trainer and multiple year+ stints of inactivity

3mo ago

SCtrojansbaby

Man, I had to pull up this video because I forgot a lot of this already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgXwv0jhiTs So in this video, yeah Cotto, presents a shot of Margarito's glove immediately after beating him and the wrap has a tear in it which he cannot give a valid explanation as to how that happened. So yeah, I think there are enough conclusive evidence to formulate your own opinion on what happenedIf there is conclusive evidence why wasn't it ever investigated? why didnt Cotto ever publicly ask for it to be investigated? Why didnt any other Margarito opponent ever ask for it to be investigated? Again there are multiple checks after you put the wraps on. How did Margarito get away with using illegal wraps with out the commission being negligent or helping him cheat but if you are a Margarito fan, I doubt you will agree that something was off with the win. as I stated in the OP literally can not show me a single soul on earth who thought there was something up with Margarito's gloves or wraps or anything else, nothing from Cotto, nothing in the media, nothing on a message board, nothing even in a youtube comment. The theory was created entirely retroactively All we know is Margarito attempted to cheat vs Mosley. Everything else is a fairytale Margarito never had the same power after they removed the plaster of paris from the Mosley fight and his career sank Titanic style. You can continue to believe your thoughts and I'll believe mine. Yeah he took a brutal beating, didn't fight for over a year, moved up in weight, new trainer, thats how like 90% of boxer's career's sink

3mo ago

GhostofDempsey

It's not unreasonable to suspect Margarito was cheating prior to the Mosley fight. While there isn't legal evidence that he cheated versus Cotto, his performance in the rematch was a complete 180.

3mo ago

ELPacman(edited)

are you saying it took 4 year for Cotto to get a screenshot of Margarito after the fight with red dye on his wraps? Like come one, be for real there is no way you actually believe that. The legal case would have been against the state for negligence if not out right corruption for letting Margarito use illegal wraps not Margarito. They could still build that case right now 18 years later but there was never a case lol What you are still failing to realize is that is only the very 1st check he didn't even get both wraps on, or gloves on(checked again) or after the fight WHEN THEY COLLECT THE DAMN WRAPS AND GLOVES Man, I had to pull up this video because I forgot a lot of this already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgXwv0jhiTs So in this video, yeah Cotto, presents a shot of Margarito's glove immediately after beating him and the wrap has a tear in it which he cannot give a valid explanation as to how that happened. So yeah, I think there are enough conclusive evidence to formulate your own opinion on what happened, but if you are a Margarito fan, I doubt you will agree that something was off with the win. Nor would you believe he was about to do anything wrong in the Mosley fight. My thoughts will always be that Cotto's face looked swollen in a way I'd never seen in any of his fights, even in other ones he lost or how Pac beat him up. Margarito never had the same power after they removed the plaster of paris from the Mosley fight and his career sank Titanic style. You can continue to believe your thoughts and I'll believe mine.

3mo ago

SCtrojansbaby

Cotto presented Margarito with potential evidence during their build up to the second fight. I know it's not lawyer level stuff, but it shows he truly believed it himself. It was just too far past at this point to build a legal case against Margarito.are you saying it took 4 year for Cotto to get a screenshot of Margarito after the fight with red dye on his wraps? Like come one, be for real there is no way you actually believe that. The legal case would have been against the state for negligence if not out right corruption for letting Margarito use illegal wraps not Margarito. They could still build that case right now 18 years later but there was never a case lol As far as how come he just got noticed. I forget what was said, but Nazeem Richardson checked or did something that perhaps other trainers overlooked and missed during the wrap check. Nazeem being old school as f**k. I'm drunk so I can't quite remember it all, but I recall Nazeem really being in their a$$ when it came to what he considered suspect and wanting checked. Other coaches weren't as knowledgeable to point the figure and make Margarito unwrap and find what was found. What you are still failing to realize is that is only the very 1st check he didn't even get both wraps on, or gloves on(checked again) or after the fight WHEN THEY COLLECT THE DAMN WRAPS AND GLOVES

3mo ago