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Because HE ROBBED MARQUEZ 3 TIMES You're a terrible poster.

Larry isn't this damn near the same thread that you created with your "I box foreal" alt?

Good fight. Paris is a good figher, coming into his prime, but he has yet to really beat anyone good yet. Alvarado beating Narh and Prescott are better than anything Paris has done. Still, good fight. I think bradley will UD him though, and if Pac-JMM IV doesn't happen, watch Bradley fight Pac in June. Tim Coleman is just as solid as Prescott. But, actually that's a better fight IMO. Alvarado vs Paris instead of Bradley Vs Paris.

How did Marquez beat Pacquiao's ass the other 2 times if he fell on his a** 4 times? What an awesome argument... How many times did Wlad get dropped against Peter the first time? Hey....I guess Wlad didn't beat Peter.

simon carnal,Alvardo vs paris is the better fight. Then you can have the winner fight Bradley. The winner fighting Bradley would make it much more important and better than Bradley-Paris right now. Because, if Paris(or Alvarado) wins then that would make them a true top contender in the division at the time the Bradley fight would take place.

knocked down 3 times and get a draw=he kicked his ass knocked down 1 time manny gets a disputed sd=he kicked his ass Well if arguably both fights were won by Pac...It doesn't = he got his ass kicked..

Khan already beat up paris in sparring and dropped him, zzzzzzz That means absolutely nothing.

LOL im certainly not the only one who believes that Marquez beat Pacquiao 3 times . Some people kiss @ss to have a great rep power . There's a difference between thinking someone won and thinking it was a robbery. And, that post alone doesn't make you a terrible poster...Is all your post overall that makes you a terrible poster.

People dislike for Arum makes it easy to throw Arum under the bus and just blame him for everything. And, he doesn't care he takes the blame and keeps it movin'. Once Arum is out of the picture there will be no one to fallback on. Then what's going to happen? Who's going to take blame for stuff not getting done?

Now I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the HOF...But, I do believe people get caught up in how he looked at LW and at his pretty record in the division. And, tend to overrate what he actually accomplished in the division. Personally IMO he's a deffinetely a HOF'er...The PED's doesn't really reflect anything IMO. I won't hold Roy, Holyfield, nor Toney out of the HOF cuz' of their PED use. Now whether Mosley is a first ballot HOF'er it depends on who is on the ballot with him.

Pacquiao and that's why they stick with Arum. Yes, exactly.

Someone needs to go to the video trading block and watch Shane's run at lightweight. His run at LW? He looked phenomenal and record wise was amazing...But, resume and opponents faced wise he lacked a lot in the division. He never faced arguably the best fighter in the division long time ranked contender and fellow title holder in Stevie Johnston.

I dont post to please you get off my nuts :bottle: As you shouldn't...Still doesn't take away the fact that you're a terrible poster. You bring nothing to the table. You're on the level of Check Hooks, Pacdbest and all the other retards.

And, I still wouldn't be surprise if SRL could beat Ronald Hearns right now :lol1:

Let's forget about putting a prime JCC jr in with someone that's a real threat (i.e Martinez, Pirog). Let's forget about the fact that people have been asking for JCC to step up his competition 4 years ago. Let's forget that. Let's use Team Arum's/JRO's logic and throw him in there with someone who's pushing 40 and hasn't been at his best since he beat Mayorga in 2006. Oh wait, I have a better idea. Let's put in on PPV!!!!! WAR JCC Jr vs Oscar De La Hoya $79.99 PPV June 2012:headbang: I don't have a problem with JCC Jr and Pirog...Make that fight. This is what I'm saying you're too stupid to understand. A JCC Jr fight against Pirog or Alvarez is better than a JCC Jr fight Oscar. no doubt about that. No one is arguing that at all. Again logic try using it. Martinez though? That's not a threat that's a massacre. How can anyone want Martinez-JCC Jr? That would mean that Martinez would fight Barker and JCC Jr back-to-back WTF? How can you have a problem with JCC Jr-Oscar and not have a problem a real legit mismatch in Martinez-JCC Jr? What's JCC Jr best win? Manfredo? Dudley? Zbik? Oscar even today's version might be a step up for JCC Jr, seriously.

An Oscar-JCC Jr fight is a good fight...There's nothing wrong with that fight. And, as of today it has NOT even been 3 full years since Oscar last fight. If JCC jr beats Oscar. That would make a JCC Jr-Alvarez fight even bigger an mean more....If Oscar beats JCC Jr, he can retire not as a losing ass quitter getting dominated by a cherry picked LW. But, as a winner who beat a young undefeated up and coming title holder who was the son of the legend that he beatdown twice years ago. There's a story behind this that work out great for whoever wins.

Jro want's Oscar to come back so he can get beat by a sh*t fighter and laugh. I don't like Oscar, but you're sick. :lol1: :lol1:, But, TBH I'm not sure if JCC Jr could give him the beating that I would love to see. Now if it was Martinez, that would be a different story. I'm just not as impressed with JCC Jr as others might be that makes me believe this such a mismatch where Oscar has no chance. Even today's version. I just don't think highly of JCC Jr at all. I favor JCC Jr in the fight. But, don't see a beating. What it can do though is if JCC Jr wins make the Alvarez or a even a Martinez fight that much bigger. But, honestly I give today's Oscar a better chance in beating JCC Jr then I do JCC Jr beating Martinez.

I cant argue with that... You can see on floyd's face how intimated he is to Margarito... For those who said Margarito is over, they will be surprise after Dec 3. I can only see Margarito loose on that fight with close decision but I think it will be TKO again for Margacheato. Eh....It's not the same Margarito though....I don't think Floyd will duck this version of Marg...Not only would he fight him if it made sense but would beat him... However, the 2004-2007 version on the other hand...

As of today November 23 Team Pac will not negotiate a Mayweather fight and is entertaining (robbing) fighting Marquez again. The date is May 5th the venue is on hold, Floyd is willing, what's going on? Whatever you want to make up in your mind the fact is PBF is undefeated, p4p 1, and the biggest draw in the sport. Only fighter I would say Floyd ducked is Kos. Why didn't Pac fight Raheem though? Why wasn't Pac interested in fighting Mosley when he was begging for a Pac fight when he was still in good condition? Kostya? How in God's name did Floyd duck Kostya? When and where was that fight suppose to happen? How was it suppose to happen? So Floyd didn't avoid Margarito but avoided Kostya? Yes Pac is a duck too, it's that your argument to Floyd not avoiding Margarito? But, apparently to others, this is not an avoidance...I guess, this is just going on a different route that people wanted them to take.

So instead of fighting Plasterritto he fought Oscar for that 20 million. Fawk Floyd for not fighting that cheater! He could have fought both, but lets ignore the fact that turned a career high payday to fight arguably the best fighter in his division at the time.

What? That's like saying F the future and only think about right now. That kind of attitude doesn't usually lead to making good business decisions. I'm not up here to make excuses for why Mayweather never faught Margarito or deny that he had the oppurtunity to fight him. I only argue that it wasn't a duck because Arum himself admits that Mayweather was willing to accept the offer to take the fight under reasonable circumstances. Looking back, if anybody would want to turn back time and do things differently it would be Arum not Mayweather. I'd bet that if Arum had to do it over again he'd give Mayweather those guarangtees that he asked for. Good look on that article from Bouharie by the way. I definitely can see his point of view but I just think that he's not giving enough consideration to the business side of things. People are basically saying that Mayweather ducked Margarito because he didn't go out of his way to fight him. Boxing is a business an a lot of things come down to timing. Knowing what we all now, I certainly don't feel bad that Mayweather never got in the ring with Margarito though. How did it not make business sense though? You get your highest career payday. Buy out your contract(which he did) and go to path of Oscar, Hatton, etc etc...Unless there was fear in losing to Margarito. Which again does that not mean avoiding? I mean if we talking about time...2006 was a damn good time to make the fight...

There are only 2 fighters, that I can say Floyd truly avoided. That was Margarito and Stevie johnston after that...Floyd didn't avoid anyone....Anybody else anyone names a case can also be said they avoided Floyd. For whatever reason, Floyd wanted no part of Margarito and Stevie.

I see that people are still spreading that Mayweather ducked Margarito" lie huh? I thought that it was clear by now that Arum admitted that Mayweather agreed to fight Margarito if Arum would guarantee him $10mill for Cotto and Hatton plus a fight with DLH? Nevermind, someone already checked you. Again, what does he getting x amount of money in future fights have to do with turning down a career high payday against arguably the best fighter in the division at that time? Or better yet, why not fight Margarito and then buy out the contract and go on to fight Oscar for all that money?

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:cool2: Quote: Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million. Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in. "That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road." Yea...You should have kept reading the article...Like he could have gotten his highest career payday at that time fought Marg and then buy out his contract to fight Oscar for 20mil. But, he didn't do that either, now did he? What him getting x amount of money in his next fight have to do with turning down a career high payday to fight arguably the best WW at that time? Again for whatever reason he avoided the hell out of Margarito.

he showed up to berto-ortiz thinking berto would be the winner and that he would be a good comeback opponent the better man (ortiz) won and floyd knocked him out i dont think he's avoiding pacquiao. i think he's a businessman. risk against reward. i think for a period of time both parties were guilty of stalling. after all, the originial dollar amount used to be 25-30 million a piece. and it's now up to a 50/50 split of over 100 million dollars, and in the meantime they can fight and get paid extra for it because of the publicity of the fight that's not happening. i dont think floyd would have a hard time winning a decision against pacquiao. i think he whoops him. i think the only way manny wins is via robbery. floyd did duck margarito when tony was a darkhorse and a complete monster at 147. likewise with cotto. i still think he beats both (unless tony had some super plaster in there) the legend is built on an offer that may or may have actually existed for floyd to get paid 8 million to fight margarito. this was before floyd was a megastar, and that would have been a sizable payday. What makes you think he would have fought Berto if he won? I don't think that was ever in the cards...IMO he just showed up to the fight and other people read all into it. Not saying he would have ducked Berto...But, Berto is an Al Haymon fighter. And, going by that I doubt that fight would have ever been made even if Berton won. However, when Ortiz won that's when he found the perfect opponent and credit to him. I don't think Floyd or any Al Haymon fighter will fight a fellow Haymon ever.

Cotto has suffered some beatings. But, from what I see in Cotto last couple of fights. Especially the Mayorga fight...Really, he didn't impress at all against a shot to pieces Mayorga. Made me believe if and only IF, a big If, Margarito has something left, anything left. Even a drop left. That he will give Cotto hell and more than likely beat him. But, if Margarito is done and shot to pieces which seems to be the case then Cotto got this.

Read that as well thanks! So because he didn't take the exact route that you wanted him to, that means he avoided Margarito? Doesn't matter that he didn't do it, Arum who hates his guts even admitted that he was certainly willing...ie.. he didn't "avoid" Margarito. How many opportunities did he have to fight Marg? Why do people act as if that was the only offer? He was also offered it for a replace of the Judah fight when Judah lost. He still declined it...Since when turning down a career high payday or turning down to fight the best in the division not once, but twice instead fight lesser competition not avoidance? What is considered a "duck" then? You right no one has ever ducked anybody...They just went a different route that people wanted them to take.

Aaron Pryor called out Ray Leonard....Even disrupted his press conferences....I guess Pryor didn't avoid Leonard. I thought fans, especially since the whole Pac-Floyd fiasco. That they would know what said on cameras/interviews and what's done in negotiations are two different things.

I like that revisionist history, nobody especially pactards who only just started following boxing was clamoring for a cheatto fight back then.. See this is how I now how to separate someone who might not have been following the sport or was just a casual fan to someone who actually followed the sport back then. People think that no one was clamoring for a Floyd-Margarito fight because of the Brian Kenny interview. But, yes believe it or not there were others clamoring for such a showdown back then. I've been a Floyd Mayweather Jr. fan for ten years, ever since he dismantled Genaro Hernandez for his first world title. I marveled at how easily he destroyed Diego Corrales; I was enthralled by his toe-to-toe war with Jesus Chavez. Floyd was under-paid and underrated--I couldn't wait to see him flaunt his skills against a box-office draw. Today, my boy stands at the cusp of greatness; four million per fight, two successful pay-per-views and the top slot on every pound for pound list. The man who once called a six-fight, twelve million dollar deal from HBO a "slave contract" is now their poster boy. Like so many of his predecessors, however, he's forgotten how he got there. But I haven't. I haven't forgotten how he manhandled Augustus, Corrales, Hernandez and Chavez in a span of about a year. Then fought Jose Luis Castillo. Twice. That version of Mayweather is fading fast. This Pretty Boy is a businessman; one who'll take on a pug coming off a loss rather than fight the one who handed it to him. The 2006 Floyd will weigh all options, at least until someone other than Antonio Margarito makes himself available. The first act was forgivable. Baldomir upsetting Mayweather seemed unlikely. Zab's loss to the Argentine didn’t derail the anticipation of the all Hip-Hop showdown. But the snubbing of Margarito is inexcusable and I am tired of conjuring up reasons to explain away Floyd's recent actions. What am I supposed to tell his doubters now? Floyd's got a November date and can't seem to find a partner. Shane Mosley has declared he would need at least two fights at 147 before tackling Floyd. Ricky Hatton's new excuse is Oktay Urkal (although he should be giving Luis Collazo a rematch as Floyd did with Castillo). Miguel Cotto has some healing to do. Cory Spinks? The winner of Baldomir-Gatti? I'll let someone else attempt to justify that one. That eight million pound elephant in the living room is getting awfully hard to ignore. Why won't Floyd fight Antonio Margarito? Some say it's because Margarito is more lore than legend. Who has he beaten, they cry? I once used that argument until I forced myself to face reality. FACT: Antonio Margarito is the longest reigning champion at welterweight. The Tijuana native hasn't lost at 147 in ten years, since dropping a decision to Rodney Jones at the ripe old age of 18. His only defeat in that time was when he moved up a division to fight Daniel Santos in the Boricua's backyard--a technical split decision after nine. He performed admirably, out-brawling and, at times, outboxing Santos with his underrated jab and combinations. After stopping "Six Heads" Lewis in '03, Margarito fell to the greater war between promoter Bob Arum and archrival Don King. King, in his infinite wisdom, ignored HBO's push for a Margarito-Ricardo Mayorga showdown in favor of one with another stable-mate, the aforementioned Spinks. Spinks then lost to the title to...you guessed it. Another King fighter. This brings us to today. Guess who's still around? FACT: Foe for Foe, Margarito Is The Division's Best Fighter It’s easy to pick apart a fighter’s resume. I’ve even heard some lambaste Mayweather’s as if he were a fraud. They may not be dazzling, but Margarito's victories at 147lbs. are far more respectable than the other champions. Kermit Cintron and Hercules Kyvelos, two undefeated up and comers, were dispatched inside five. Antonio Diaz, Danny Perez and Six Heads weren't puffed up either. Mayweather has been at welter for less than a year, I would argue. But it would be a crime if he left without handing Margarito the same opportunity Arturo Gatti gave him. FACT: Styles Make Fights Nothing on Ricky Hatton's resume suggested he could beat an accomplished champion like Kostya Tszyu. But those who saw Tszyu's battering at the hands of Vince Phillips knew the chances of an upset were high. Hatton combined his mauling style with Phillips' perfect blueprint to stop Tszyu in eleven. Mayweather has made some of the world's best look like amateurs. But he struggled against Jose Luis Castillo twice, almost staining his pristine record the first time. Yeah, I know he won the second fight handily but do you remember how insecure he sounded asking his corner if he was winning? The similarities between Margarito and the pre-Mayweather Castillo are astounding: Two 28 yr. old fighters from Mexico with four losses a piece; battle-tested champions with the size, strength and skill to hammer any pug in their weight class. Castillo used his strength advantage to keep the smaller Mayweather pinned against the ropes while pounding him with body shots and uppercuts. Ultimately, Floyd's craftsmanship has always shone through. I don't know if Margarito is as refined. However, he's no John Ruiz--talent and technique won't be enough to overcome his size advantages. As all of Tono's opponents learned, he possesses enough skill to draw you in a war with him, rather than forcing the issue. Would Mayweather be able to do what he did to Castillo against a natural welter? I don't want to sound skeptical but my customized chinchilla trunks are perilously close to becoming Salvation Army material. I hope my boy isn't avoiding Margarito. But I’ve grown weary waiting. A young, hungry champion--a man after his own heart--is calling him out and a fight on November 4th can still be made. The other opponents have bowed out; even Mosley believes Floyd should fight Tono. And he has eight million reasons to do it. Isn’t a career-high payday a sound business decision? I still favor Mayweather to beat anyone in the division, including Margarito. He's far more skilled and, properly settled into the weight, should be able to handle Tono's onslaught. But not without a fight. And that's what I want to see, not Mayweather-Spinks, Mayweather-Cintron or any of the other names that have been bandied about lately. Silence the critics or increase the doubters. What's it gonna be, Floyd? http://www.fight beat.com/article_detail.php?AT=107 That's an example of how people were clamoring for such a showdown. P.S Thit writer is a very underrated boxing journalist...IMO the best journalist that most of boxing fans have never heard of.