By Tommy Allan
One thing about Floyd Mayweather I’ll say straight off the bat is he is the most talented boxer I’ve seen in my lifetime. Floyd’s combination of skill, speed, athleticism to go with his all time great defense would rank above even Jones, Hopkins and Whitaker for me in all round ability.
The thing with Floyd is though he will not test himself in the ring against the very best fighter around, it has been like this for the past 7 years ever since he moved into the 140lb division.
When Mayweather left 135lb, the fight the fans asked for above all was Floyd against fellow Pound for Pound star, Kostya Tyszu. This fight would never happen as Floyd would go on to have a rather unflattering run in the division taking on the decent Chop Chop Corley and Henry Bruseles before stepping onto HBO PPV to take on WBC title holder, Arturo Gatti.
I actually liked the Gatti fight from a fans point of view. I thought Floyd would win pretty easily in the end but I expected Gatti to make a fight of it for a few rounds but obviously that wasn’t to be.
Even though the Gatti fight looked interesting on paper theres no excuse for Floyd being over a year at the weight and passing through without taking on the best guy. In 1 of those 3 fights Floyd could and should have taken on the Aussie without him and his fans using the old “we got the official belt” excuse.
Dont belts just gather dust, Floyd?
Moving onto 147lbs and it really started to become shameless. First we had the fans clamoring for a fight with Antonio Margarito, where Floyd was guaranteed a then career high payday. Instead, Floyd chose to take on the just embarrassingly beaten Zab Judah before trying to set up a fight with Cory Spinks at 154 before being rescued by Dan Goossen and a promised $8m to take on Judah conqueror, Carlos Baldomir.
After dusting Judah and Baldomir he would take on De La Hoya winning a SD before stopping Hatton in 10 rounds which set the stage for a fight with Miguel Cotto, or so we thought.
At that time Miguel Cotto was flying and had proved himself to be the clear #2 fighter at 147lbs. That did not matter. Mayweather had started setting a trend of avoiding the best and it was something he planned on sticking to.
To this day Floyd remains the only fighter whom Miguel Cotto ever called out directly in his career, Cotto wanted the fight so bad that he went out of character and blasted Mayweather several times for his refusal to fight.
Floyd would come away with one of the most embarrassing lines I’ve ever heard when pressed on facing Cotto – “Cotto lives too far away”.
Now we’re at the stage where we have the two best fighters in the world who are obviously Pacquiao and Mayweather. We have Pacquiao who has fought everyone and Mayweather who undoubtedly has not. We have Top Rank making offer after offer and Mayweather still holds firm with his avoid the best policy.
It must have been hard being a fan of Mayweather over the years – One let down after another when it comes to opponents.
Floyd should go down as the most talented of the era but if he does not start taking on the guy everyone wants him to face then he’ll never be considered the best.
To be the best, you need to have beaten the best. Whens the last time Floyd can claim to have beaten the best?
Lets say we saw a blown up 38yr old Marquez give Pac hell while he was coming off roids. What threat could Pac possible present to Floyd even if he was roiding? If he was facing Tommy Hearns I understand not fighting without additional testing, but it just seems less than brave to me to be worried about a fighter who he probably beats pretty handily regardless.
I see the point your making but what does it matter? Floyd made a stance that he believes will clean the sport. Pac and Arum have said (true or not) that they have agreed and there are no issues?
Does it look bad on Floyd? I don't think so because I never thought Pac was on PEDS but that he was put in front of bums for the past few years to look better than he really is.
Suspicions have not been proven false. That's just a silly ignorant comment. For all anyone knows, maybe Pacquiao didn't rely on PEDs to fight Marquez. Loads of people are saying that he didn't look the same physically, didn't have the explosiveness and all that. The reality is that regardless of the origin of Mayweather's concerns about PED use, the concerns are legitimate. He has said that from now on he and his opponents will be subjected to stricter drug testing procedures, no way that's a bad look.
So in a fight where he needed to win convincingly to set up a mega payday with Floyd he decided not to use? Yes thats perfectly logical.
I feel ya, however the critics are saying pac looks this way because he's coming down off PEDS and that a blood test is still warranted...
IMO the test was never an issue. Bob Arum was and is the issue. I hope the pressure remains on him to make the fight. IMO it's now or never as if Pac fights JMM again. We will see a Mayweather vs Judah all over again about the time Bob allows Pac to fight Mayweather.
Lets say we saw a blown up 38yr old Marquez give Pac hell while he was coming off roids. What threat could Pac possible present to Floyd even if he was roiding? If he was facing Tommy Hearns I understand not fighting without additional testing, but it just seems less than brave to me to be worried about a fighter who he probably beats pretty handily regardless.
Why does the drug-testing thing look bad on Mayweather? I don't understand people who fault Mayweather for being concerned or maybe even scared that his opponents may be using PEDs. It's a legitimate concern, yet people act as if he's out of line.
people know about PEDS and they know that athletes use them in all sports. pac fans and haters are made because floyd isnt backing off his stance and THEY KNOW HOW GOOD HE IS. they know he can beat pac on or off PEDS but floyd wants to dominate pac and break him down in the later rounds when pac gets tired and mayweather does not. thats floyds gift its his ability to step it up in the championship rounds
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Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.
Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.
"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."
thank you i was looking for that quote man people need to stop saying floyd ducked!! he made business moves man and in the meantime dominated champions. bob arum just didnt wanna pay. which leads me to believe that if didnt wanna pay floyd 10 million no way in hell is he paying manny 20 million like floyd said manny is prolly getting 7 million a fight
I understand your point and its probably true that he would have gotten discredited, but after this last fight its probably true he was never any real threat to Floyd anyway. Floyd cant be discredited for being better than his competition, but it does look bad that as soon as a threat was perceived he demanded drug testing because of how much Pac had improved since moving up in weight and then Pac goes to show us he hasnt really improved at all. Pac was being pushed as the man to beat Floyd like no fighter before and Floyd seemed less than excited about proving himself.
I feel ya, however the critics are saying pac looks this way because he's coming down off PEDS and that a blood test is still warranted...
IMO the test was never an issue. Bob Arum was and is the issue. I hope the pressure remains on him to make the fight. IMO it's now or never as if Pac fights JMM again. We will see a Mayweather vs Judah all over again about the time Bob allows Pac to fight Mayweather.
Why does the drug-testing thing look bad on Mayweather? I don't understand people who fault Mayweather for being concerned or maybe even scared that his opponents may be using PEDs. It's a legitimate concern, yet people act as if he's out of line.
It looks bad because he only became concerned after Pac was being hyped as a threat to his #1 status. Many comments were made bout how Pacs recent performances were suspicious and that he was likely on something because of his improvement. The basis for him demanding drug testing has been proved false after seeing him perform in the exact same manner against JMM a third time, it therefore reflects negatively on him.
What? That's like saying F the future and only think about right now. That kind of attitude doesn't usually lead to making good business decisions. I'm not up here to make excuses for why Mayweather never faught Margarito or deny that he had the oppurtunity to fight him. I only argue that it wasn't a duck because Arum himself admits that Mayweather was willing to accept the offer to take the fight under reasonable circumstances. Looking back, if anybody would want to turn back time and do things differently it would be Arum not Mayweather. I'd bet that if Arum had to do it over again he'd give Mayweather those guarangtees that he asked for.
Good look on that article from Bouharie by the way. I definitely can see his point of view but I just think that he's not giving enough consideration to the business side of things. People are basically saying that Mayweather ducked Margarito because he didn't go out of his way to fight him. Boxing is a business an a lot of things come down to timing. Knowing what we all now, I certainly don't feel bad that Mayweather never got in the ring with Margarito though.
How did it not make business sense though? You get your highest career payday. Buy out your contract(which he did) and go to path of Oscar, Hatton, etc etc...Unless there was fear in losing to Margarito. Which again does that not mean avoiding?
I mean if we talking about time...2006 was a damn good time to make the fight...
Floyd has not fought any top rank fighters after leaving arum. It's a political issue. Also.. is anybody else aware that Floyd never refused to fight Cotto based on Cotto living too far away?.... and that rumor came from a spoof YT video? Writer has no credibility.
Aaron Pryor called out Ray Leonard....Even disrupted his press conferences....I guess Pryor didn't avoid Leonard.
I thought fans, especially since the whole Pac-Floyd fiasco. That they would know what said on cameras/interviews and what's done in negotiations are two different things.
I can remeber Floyd calling out Stevie Johnston in an interview with Arum, yet people are saying he ducked Stevie.
Maybe if those same people followed the sport back then, instead of being on youtube today trying to make up for lost time, they'd know the difference.
My point exactly! These newbees to the game dont know $hit! I wish they would watch more UFC, cause thier spreading bull**** about my sport. Im sure thier at work,school,church, etc etc telling people bull**** about boxing. Acting like they know the sport and they dont know $HIT!
You see I think your wrong. I don't think at any time would Floyd have gotton credit.
Of course now people will say Pac is old and shot. The fact remains that he looks exactly like he did 3 years ago when JMM got the best of him then too. If anything he improved because he got the MD. The problem is he didn't improve in a way fans where perceived he had. Perfect match making and marketing done by Arum is the reason.
Even if Floyd had fought Pac in 08, 09, 10, 11, or 12 there will always be an excuse. If you look at the history you would realize it. Pac will be torn apart just like the rest of Floyd's opposition. An excuse will come one way or another and a new fighter that Floyd is ducking will be built and the process starts all over again. People will write Pac off, some are already jumping that ship so they don't bite the bullet if Bob actually makes the fight.
This is not hating on Pac, this is just how much Floyd is hated. Discredit who he fights in order to discredit the win. It's been that way for years.
I understand your point and its probably true that he would have gotten discredited, but after this last fight its probably true he was never any real threat to Floyd anyway. Floyd cant be discredited for being better than his competition, but it does look bad that as soon as a threat was perceived he demanded drug testing because of how much Pac had improved since moving up in weight and then Pac goes to show us he hasnt really improved at all. Pac was being pushed as the man to beat Floyd like no fighter before and Floyd seemed less than excited about proving himself.
You pactards are just dumb! You all are just like poochiao, you don't know $hit about boxing. Mayweather has called out the best throughout his career. tHATS WHY HES THE MAN TO BEAT NOW, THATS WHY HES CALLED money Mayweather, thats why hes the face of HBO, The face of Boxing etc. He is his own Man. He can't make people fight him. I know most of you just started watching boxing today on the web , LOL. Mayweather begged these guys for a fight trying to make a name for himself. They realized Money was great and did not want to end thier careers, thats why they dodged Money Mayweather. He also called out Cotto, after Cotto and Bob arum talked all that ****. As soon as Mayweather said ok lets fight, they said Cotto was not ready. Do your research son! Margarita is a joke. The Mayweathers were right about him just like they are right about poochiao. They said Marharita was cheating, and they said this years ago, waaay before Moesly trainer exposed him. Floyd SR was dead on. Margarita has bricks in his gloves. I swear the Mayweathers are the smartest people in boxing. They also said poochiao is cheating. Look at how poochiao looked last fight. He was weak, he got hurt twice, he was tired and not so pumped up, you knowwhy? Hes fought clean as a test against someone they cherry picked and thoought it was a safe fight due to Marquez weight gain , wear and tear, and age.
It probably will happen, but Floyd only has himself to blame this time. At one point Pacs star was burning much brighter than ANY of those fighters were at the time Floyd fought them. After looking human in the 3rd JMM fight Pas has already been basically discredited as a credible test for Floyd. Insisting on advanced testing was a mistake.
You see I think your wrong. I don't think at any time would Floyd have gotton credit.
Of course now people will say Pac is old and shot. The fact remains that he looks exactly like he did 3 years ago when JMM got the best of him then too. If anything he improved because he got the MD. The problem is he didn't improve in a way fans where perceived he had. Perfect match making and marketing done by Arum is the reason.
Even if Floyd had fought Pac in 08, 09, 10, 11, or 12 there will always be an excuse. If you look at the history you would realize it. Pac will be torn apart just like the rest of Floyd's opposition. An excuse will come one way or another and a new fighter that Floyd is ducking will be built and the process starts all over again. People will write Pac off, some are already jumping that ship so they don't bite the bullet if Bob actually makes the fight.
This is not hating on Pac, this is just how much Floyd is hated. Discredit who he fights in order to discredit the win. It's been that way for years.
The newbies will eat this up...lol. I remember Floyd calling out kosta zyu at 140; i remember him wanting Cotto at 140 and cotto was too "green," and i remembering him calling out prime Mosley and prime Dela hoya no one wanted to fight him. I remember him trying to bargain with Arum for a package that includes, cotto, margarito, and hatton in return for a 20 mil fight against dela hoya. I remember when he entered 147, the fight with Margarito and P-williams never get pushed far enough because they're were fighting each other and Margarito ended up losing to Williams. I never ever remember Cotto calling out Mayweather...it was only two persons who ever did that could be considered a duck werfe Pwilliams and Margarito. However, since the Margarito scandal i gave him a pass for that because it would appeared he would have fought against a brick fist. That leaves williams, for which he seemed genuinely uninterested in at the time.
Can this dude get green K?
The newbies will eat this up...lol. I remember Floyd calling out kosta zyu at 140; i remember him wanting Cotto at 140 and cotto was too "green," and i remembering him calling out prime Mosley and prime Dela hoya no one wanted to fight him. I remember him trying to bargain with Arum for a package that includes, cotto, margarito, and hatton in return for a 20 mil fight against dela hoya. I remember when he entered 147, the fight with Margarito and P-williams never get pushed far enough because they're were fighting each other and Margarito ended up losing to Williams. I never ever remember Cotto calling out Mayweather...it was only two persons who ever did that could be considered a duck werfe Pwilliams and Margarito. However, since the Margarito scandal i gave him a pass for that because it would appeared he would have fought against a brick fist. That leaves williams, for which he seemed genuinely uninterested in at the time.
Problem is, Pac fans don't remember, which is 98.4% of the problem.
It's arguable. Margarito is the only fighter anyone could actually say Floyd avoided and actually have an argument.
Bob didn't want to pay Floyd what he wanted so Floyd left. What many people feel is that Floyd could have taken the Margarito fight and then bought out his contract.
To many people, Floyd ducked Margarito. It was a highly demanded fight. As was Judah, just not at time it happened. The Hatton fight was highly demanded, as was Hoya and Mosley. Now we have Pac.
One thing you notice about all these guys is that after Floyd beat them they where considered sh*t...
What do you think Pac will be called when and if Mayweather beats him? Pac will be put on the list of sh*t JUST like Hatton, Hoya and Mosley where and we move on to the next thing. Never ending... but Margarito was a fight to be made and it didn't happen. Could we blame it on Floyd for ducking? Yes Could we blame it on Bob? Yes.... there is an argument there and since people dislike Mayweather they tend to just want to blame Floyd which I wouldnt argur with.....
It probably will happen, but Floyd only has himself to blame this time. At one point Pacs star was burning much brighter than ANY of those fighters were at the time Floyd fought them. After looking human in the 3rd JMM fight Pas has already been basically discredited as a credible test for Floyd. Insisting on advanced testing was a mistake.
See this is how I now how to separate someone who might not have been following the sport or was just a casual fan to someone who actually followed the sport back then.
People think that no one was clamoring for a Floyd-Margarito fight because of the Brian Kenny interview. But, yes believe it or not there were others clamoring for such a showdown back then.
http://www.fight beat.com/article_detail.php?AT=107
That's an example of how people were clamoring for such a showdown.
P.S Thit writer is a very underrated boxing journalist...IMO the best journalist that most of boxing fans have never heard of.
btw, that is a good read. Brings back memories of when articles weren't either to the left or to the right but right down the center! Kind of like on here waaaaay back in the day.