Manny struggles with marquez=hes a great fighter.floyd beats jmm=he beat a llw

this is the logic...or lack there of that the Pactards use to attempt to repair their bruised egos....sad really

Pacquaio weighs in at WW, wins a Title at WW, defends it at WW, against WW's, but is still considered to some as not being a WW. Never seen anything like it. He's not a big WW of course. Neither was Napoles, neither was Whitaker, neither is Mayweather. but they're still obviously WW's. Whether they are small or not. People pretend as if 130, 135 Pacquaio is the same physically as today's WW Pacquaio. Guess what people? People move up in weight, they purposely gain muscle so they can make a weight. It's not irregular. And Manny Pacquaio is no different. It's not the first time a fighter from lower weight divisions has competed at WW and did very well despite being reasonabley small for the weight. And it doesn't make them any less of a WW than the guy who is making bang on 147 Lbs. Because guess what? They're both competing between 141 and 147 and low and behold that is Welterweight. This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mayweather didn't make weight he doesn't deserve credit

I dont get it..manny goes life and death with jmm and its ok cause jmm is a great fighter.but floyd dominates jmm 2 years earlier and it shouldnt count???why the double standards??jmm beat mannys ass 3 times and its coll cause hes a great fighter but floyd toys with jmm and dominates him and it isnt a legit win????????the double standards for manny are hilarious Are you about the title? Is it just one poster who said that or many? I'm pretty sure I haven't seen many people praising pac as a great fighter after the jmm fight.

theres no truth to this. in his last fight, floyd weighed in at 150 on fight night, manny weighed in at 147 rite? they are in the same weight division. they are both wws Pacquaio weighs in at WW, wins a Title at WW, defends it at WW, against WW's, but is still considered to some as not being a WW. Never seen anything like it. He's not a big WW of course. Neither was Napoles, neither was Whitaker, neither is Mayweather. but they're still obviously WW's. Whether they are small or not. People pretend as if 130, 135 Pacquaio is the same physically as today's WW Pacquaio. Guess what people? People move up in weight, they purposely gain muscle so they can make a weight. It's not irregular. And Manny Pacquaio is no different. It's not the first time a fighter from lower weight divisions has competed at WW and did very well despite being reasonabley small for the weight. And it doesn't make them any less of a WW than the guy who is making bang on 147 Lbs. Because guess what? They're both competing between 141 and 147 and low and behold that is Welterweight.

Well, no, that's actually not what I'm saying, at all. Marquez beat Pacquaio at Welterweight, not 150. So no, it doesn't prove he can compete at 150, it proves he can compete at WW. The fact Pacquaio can compete at 150 and Marquez beat Pacquaio obviously doesn't mean Marquez can. People adjust to weight different, of course. I don't get where you got that from my post, because comprehension and outright common sense tells you I'm not saying that. Yes, they did. Dick Tiger beat HOF, legit, world class Light Hevayweight Jose Torres not once, but twice. Emile Griffith beat ATG, Middleweight Dick Tiger, not once, but twice. Along with going 1-2 with a great world class Mw in Nino Benvenuti. Both however, small Light heavyweight's and Middleweights. The fact Tiger is small at LHW doesn't change the fact Foster get's credit for beating him there. The fact Napoles was the same size as Griffith and beat Griffth at WW doesn't change the fact if he managed to beat Griffith at 160 it would prove what we will never know that he infact can compete with World class opposition at the weight. Regarldess to being the same size aas him and a small MW. im gonna reply to this when the noise dies down in this house

so this also proves marquez could fight at 150, since you know, pacquiao fought at 150 and beat the crap out of a fighter, at 150 this is basically what you are saying and did all those guys fight and beat real lhw's and welterweights or were they blown up and small lhw's and ww's who could barely make the limit? Well, no, that's actually not what I'm saying, at all. Marquez beat Pacquaio at Welterweight, not 150. So no, it doesn't prove he can compete at 150, it proves he can compete at WW. The fact Pacquaio can compete at 150 and Marquez beat Pacquaio obviously doesn't mean Marquez can. People adjust to weight different, of course. I don't get where you got that from my post, because comprehension and outright common sense tells you I'm not saying that. Yes, they did. Dick Tiger beat HOF, legit, world class Light Hevayweight Jose Torres not once, but twice. Emile Griffith beat ATG, Middleweight Dick Tiger, not once, but twice. Along with going 1-2 with a great world class Mw in Nino Benvenuti. Both however, small Light heavyweight's and Middleweights. The fact Tiger is small at LHW doesn't change the fact Foster get's credit for beating him there. Because he's proven there. The fact Napoles was the same size as Griffith and beat Griffth at WW doesn't change the fact if he managed to beat Griffith at 160 it would prove what we will never know that he infact can compete with World class opposition at the weight. Regarldess to being the same size aas him and a small MW. We can pretend that Pacquaio is still 130 Lbs and isn't a WW all we want. But the fact is, small or not, Pacquaio competes at WW and is one of the best WW's in the world. And, Marqeuz beat him or argubaly beat him there thus proving he can compete at WW. Period.

i dont get how u get that from what hes saying. hes strictly speaking about ww. bad post on my part

so this also proves marquez could fight at 150, since you know, pacquiao fought at 150 and beat the crap out of a fighter, at 150 this is basically what you are saying i dont get how u get that from what hes saying. hes strictly speaking about ww.

Argubaly, yes. Pacquaio isn't a blown up Lightweight. Pacquaio's a WW. Has been for 3 years and is comfortable at WW now. Well, it does, really. Pacquaio, other than Mayweather is the absolute elite at WW. He may be a small WW but he is a Welterweight. The showing he gave and performance he gave at the weight against a Welterweight Pacquaio shows he can obviously perform there, and well. Doing something that Full fledged WW's couldn't do. It's the same as the examples I used earlier; Dick Tiger was a small Light Heavyweight, Bob Foster dwarfed him like Valuev did David Haye. But do we give Foster credit? Of course. Because Tiger beat legit, world class, proven Light Heavyweights. Just like Marquez has now at WW. Had Tiger moved up from MW to LHW and got knocked out by Foster and never returned to LHW then we could of course argue that he couldn't perform at LHW. But, of course, he did, despite being small for the weight. The same applies for Monzon's win or Jose Napoles. Great performance for Monzon, but the fact is, Napoles was a Welterweight, and he moved up two weight classes to face Monzon and got outclassed and never returned again. So, as far as history is concerned, Napoles never proved he could compete at MW. So Monzon will forever recieve little credit for that despite the masterful performance. Now, had Napoles moved up and beat Valdez or Benvenuti then Monzon would obviously get credit for the win becaue Napoles proved he can compete at the Weight. Hell, even if he fought Emile Griffith at MW, a fighter who he beat at WW then Monzon would get credit for the win. Because Griffith was a legit, accomplished Middleweight. Despite being a small one. And the fact of the matter is, Marquez has proven that he can compete at WW with argubly the best WW in the world. Peroid. And for the record, I would pick Marquez to beat Andre Berto. so this also proves marquez could fight at 150, since you know, pacquiao fought at 150 and beat the crap out of a fighter, at 150 this is basically what you are saying and did all those guys fight and beat real lhw's and welterweights or were they blown up and small lhw's and ww's who could barely make the limit?

Just because JMM and PBF are both counter punchers DOESN'T mean they fight the same against Pac. JMM has great success because of his great technical ability, but more so no one talks about....HES NOT AFRAID to mix it up and he takes WAY MORE risks than Floyd EVER HAS. As for the size.....i dont discredit the win for Floyd, but lets be honest....physically...its night and day between the new Marquez and the one that Floyd fought. Now talk about pacmans mentality againts counter punches please. He gets extremely shy, not only that, he doesn't know how to beat it. Pacman prefers his opponent block instead of slip. He specializes on guys who prefer to catch punches on teh glove as opposed to not getting hit at all. It's a double edged blade. REgardless of floyds risk taking ability or not he still gets the job down whilst pacman barely gets the job done against the style he doesn't prefer. Mind you, we're just talking about 1 aspect of the style he's avoided. Marquez, as you said, at least still takes chances. He's actually the type of counter puncher best for pac since he'd at least get his chances to work. Guys like floyd wouldn't give him that respect, he'd never get his chances to get off. He's also never fought a slickster.

:browraise: so that proves marquez could fight the cotto's and mosley's and berto's at welterweight right? it was a blown up lightweight fighting a blown up lightweight one has the physical talent of speed and power the other doesn't pacquiao can overcome reach with speed it doesn't prove he can fight at welterweight, it proves he can fight pacquiao at welterweight, and probably at any weight actually, like i said before the fight, the weight wasn't going to be a factor, because they are the same size Argubaly, yes. Pacquaio isn't a blown up Lightweight. Pacquaio's a WW. Has been for 3 years and is comfortable at WW now. Well, it does, really. Pacquaio, other than Mayweather is the absolute elite at WW. He may be a small WW but he is a Welterweight. The showing he gave and performance he gave at the weight against a Welterweight Pacquaio shows he can obviously perform there, and well. Doing something that Full fledged WW's couldn't do. It's the same as the examples I used earlier; Dick Tiger was a small Light Heavyweight, Bob Foster dwarfed him like Valuev did David Haye. But do we give Foster credit? Of course. Because Tiger beat legit, world class, proven Light Heavyweights. Just like Marquez has now at WW. Had Tiger moved up from MW to LHW and got knocked out by Foster and never returned to LHW then we could of course argue that he couldn't perform at LHW. But, of course, he did, despite being small for the weight. The same applies for Monzon's win or Jose Napoles. Great performance for Monzon, but the fact is, Napoles was a Welterweight, and he moved up two weight classes to face Monzon and got outclassed and never returned again. So, as far as history is concerned, Napoles never proved he could compete at MW. So Monzon will forever recieve little credit for that despite the masterful performance. Now, had Napoles moved up and beat Valdez or Benvenuti then Monzon would obviously get credit for the win becaue Napoles proved he can compete at the Weight. Hell, even if he fought Emile Griffith at MW, a fighter who he beat at WW then Monzon would get credit for the win, despite Napoles and Griffith being 'the same size as each other'. Because Griffith was a legit, accomplished Middleweight. Despite being a small one. And the fact of the matter is, Marquez has proven that he can compete at WW with argubly the best WW in the world. Peroid. And for the record, I would pick Marquez to beat Andre Berto.

Pacquiao was just a hype job , he sucks and will never be on Mayweathers level , this is why he is losing the number 1 spot If you really believe that you don't know anything, I assume you are just trolling though and you know Pacquiao is a great fighter

the highest manny has weighed in was at 145 still the same weight class.

theres no truth to this. in his last fight, floyd weighed in at 150 on fight night, manny weighed in at 147 rite? they are in the same weight division. they are both wws the highest manny has weighed in was at 145

Floyd was 2 divisions bigger than JMM Pac is 1 division bigger than JMM it is what it is theres no truth to this. in his last fight, floyd weighed in at 150 on fight night, manny weighed in at 147 rite? they are in the same weight division. they are both wws

Because Pacquaio is the argubaly the best WW in the world. And Marquez beat him (Or argubaly beat him), at Welterweight. Thus, is a more than capable WW. :browraise: so that proves marquez could fight the cotto's and mosley's and berto's at welterweight right? it was a blown up lightweight fighting a blown up lightweight one has the physical talent of speed and power the other doesn't pacquiao can overcome reach with speed this doesn't prove marquez can fight at welterweight, it proves he can fight pacquiao at welterweight, and probably at any weight actually, like i said before the fight, the weight wasn't going to be a factor, because they are the same size

Larry isn't this damn near the same thread that you created with your "I box foreal" alt? 500 Million that Larry will come in this thread and say Iboxforeal isn't his Alt.

how has marquez proven he can fight at welterweight by fighting pacquiao(more of a super lightweight)? Because Pacquaio is the argubaly the best WW in the world. And Marquez beat him (Or argubaly beat him), at Welterweight. Thus, is a more than capable WW.

Floyd was 2 divisions bigger than JMM Pac is 1 division bigger than JMM it is what it is