No. Rigo doesn't deserve to be involved in televised fights.
Professional boxing exists solely for entertainment. If the fighter is not entertaining, he is not doing his job. Putting him on television hurts boxing's image and is detrimental to the sport. And it's a waste of HBO or whoevers budget when there are entertaining guys we could be seeing instead. The fans don't owe his ass a living, he needs to find a job.
Perfectly put. I'll add that sometimes fighters get away with being boring by facing popular opposition and beating them. That's the route Mayweather took. He's always been a boring fighter, but he became the sports greatest draw and top earner simply by facing popular fighters and getting wins.
Rigo thought he got there before he actually did, and no one cares about any of his fights now. After the Donaire fight, he needed to be more flexible about how and where to go next.
I wouldn't know how this fight is going because I didn't order. I didn't order it because it's no contest and it's a horrific style match up: two defensive, counter-punching fighters pitted up against each other.
I didn't need to order this fight to know that Mayweather will win easily and that there would be no entertainment value.
I gotta give it to Mayweather, though, he could sell air conditioners to Eskimo's in Alaska.
"It's tailor made to be a war."
LOL
I did, however, put 2 Gs on Mayweather at 30/1 odds. Yeah, it will only net me 60 bucks, but it's free money, why not take advantage?
I wish I had 100 Gs to put on it to make an easy 3000.
It's come down to if you land more punches, no matter how soft they may be, you win.
Clearly Algieri is not a big power puncher, but his punches consistently snapped Provo's head back.
Do you think "soft punches" were snapping Provo's head back?
I had it the same as the judges who had Algieri winning the fight:
114-112
Provo won 4 rounds, and one of those was a 10-7. The rest of the fight was clearly won and even dominated by Algieri. In fact, even the first round would have been an Algieri round without the knockdowns.
The truth is, this wasn't really a close fight. Without those two knockdowns in the first round, Algieri wins 117-109.
I kept telling my daughter, "these analysts are missing this fight, which is playing out just like Ali-Frazier"
Favorite fighter of any generation?
Rocky Marciano.
To me, Marciano represents everything that boxing should be about. He was a good genuine person outside the ring, and a no nonsense, no quit, balls out effort guy in the ring. He fought everyone that was anyone during his career, he didn't duck anyone, and he didn't stick around well past his prime.
Further more, and maybe most important, he understood that the fans fuel this sport and ultimately provide the means to pay the bills. With that knowledge, he tried to make every fight action packed. He brought the fight to his opponents, which were often bigger than him, and he threw nearly every punch with the intention of knocking his opponent out.
How good was he?
He was and is, without a doubt, the best heavyweight of his era. Better than Tyson, better than Holyfield, better than Bowe, better than anyone who fought during his career. No doubt about it.
Very few fighters retire being able to boast that they avenged every loss and beat every single significant fighter of their time. The only significant name missing from Lewis' resume is Bowe, and that's because Bowe's handlers were scared of Lewis. But Lewis knocked his out at the Olympics, and that counts for something.
And that's the answer to the other question, YES, Lewis would have beaten ANY Riddick Bowe. Not only that, but Lewis would have knocked his ass out AGAIN, and it would have been the most embarrassing moment of Bowe's career.
The only small asterisk on the resume of Lewis is that he didn't give Klitschko a well deserved rematch. But Lewis was pretty much done at that point of his career, and was very lucky to escape their first fight with a win. Sometimes you gotta walk away from the table with the chips you have. That was the smart thing to do.
This is arguably the most dishonest sport there is now. Only tennis, with all it's match fixing, rivals it in my opinion.
Don't get me wrong, I think this was a somewhat close fight, but not one that could go either way. Ware getting a draw would have been a bad but loosely arguable result. The idea that he won the fight? LOL. No case for that.
I will say this, though, Ware is a game fighter with a very good chin. I'll tune in any time he steps in the ring.
That's where you wrong. Horn dictated the pace of the whole fight. Pacquiao did not control a single round of the fight except the 9th.
And let me remind you that fights are judged round per round, not holistically. Unless we're speaking specific rounds, your opinion is obsolete and again the musing of a casual emotional invested fan.
My judging was completely consistent with the judge's cards. Only difference is that I wasn't paid. Do you think that is a pure coincidence or a testament to my judging ability? Have you ever compared your score cards with judge, and if so, did you come to similar conclusions or your's was completely out of wack?
Here is my score card, please feel free to go at it and which rounds you think I got wrong, I would be more than happy to debate with you as long as you promise you won't get your emotions get in the way:
I was simply explaining the standard by which fights are supposed to be score by judges, and my take on why Pac won this fight in lopsided fashion based on that standard.
For the record, I gave Horn rounds 1, 6, and 10.
I'll also add this, in any fight that wasn't fixed otherwise, Pacquiao receives a score of no less than 116 on every judges scorecard here based on how this fight played out.
And, the only way in which Horn dictated the action was his rough and dirty tactics, which are a violation of rules and should not be rewarded by judges.
Even with that, Horn just kept walking into punches with his aggression, often looking sloppy in the process. And it nearly cost him the fight in round 9.
This was not a close fight. The state of their faces isn't close. The punch stats aren't close. And even the terrible ref, who showed little regard for the fighters health, was tempted to step in to save Horn from Pacquiao's onslaught of punishment.
Years ago, Pacquiao puts this guy to sleep. At age 38, he merely beats him in clear lopsided fashion.
There is a reason why we've never heard of any of these judges, and we will most likely never see any of them judge a championship level fight ever again. They served their purpose.
Oh, and we can all laugh at the notion that this is a "fight of the year" candidate. More like "fix of the year".
Sometimes a fighter with a completely mangled and rearranged face, like the one Horn had, is actually winning a fight. But it's rare, and it most certainly didn't happen here. I had the fight 9-3 for Pacquiao, and I'm no particular fan of his.
In my opinion, anyone who scored this fight for Horn had a bias of some sort. Either you took a stab on a long shot or you hate Pacquiao or had some other invested interest.
Personally, I have a great appreciation for underdogs pulling off unlikely upsets. But it is an insult to our collective intelligence any time a horrible decision like this is rendered by obviously corrupted judges.
Having said all that, I have absolutely no respect for Pacquiao not voicing an objection to the decision that the judges came back with. I find it disturbing and suspicious that he didn't speak out passionately in protest.
I suspect Pacquiao's handlers and investors know he isn't up for any of the big time fights out there any more, and so they just want to milk this thing for a little more by creating a big time fight where there isn't one.
I'd like to see the whole thing back fire on Arum myself. Either way you slice it Arum will cash in on this stain to boxing's rep, but it would be nice to see one of the other top welterweights put Horn to sleep and expose his lack of true credibility.
Bob Arum is terrible for the sport of boxing. He clearly laughs at us gullible fans by making no attempt to bring greater credibility to the sport he makes his greater fortune in.
My advice to boxing fans, when you see Pacquiao/Horn II selling on pay per view, skip it and write Bob Arum a letter explaining that he'll have to find another sucker for Pacquiao's supposed "trail of redemption".
Or maybe you just can't score fights.
"The state of their faces isn't close". Classic casual argument.
Well, I was simply stating the obvious there. But I'm happy to reiterate the standard I'm sure we are all familiar with, which is commonly accepted as the basic criteria for a scoring a fight:
Effective Aggression – Being aggressive gives the impression of dominance, but unless the boxer is landing shots and not constantly getting countered, it’s not exactly “effective.” Judges look for effective aggression, where the aggressor consistently lands his punches and avoids those from his opponent.
My comment: while Horn was clearly the aggressor, he was clearly ineffective with his aggression. He was consistently hit, countered, and out boxed by Pacquiao, while Horn himself rarely landed.
Ring Generalship – The fighter who controls the action and enforces his will and style.
My comment: Pacquiao clearly preferred Horn to be the aggressor. He even challenged him to be aggressive before the fight. And Horn followed suit, fighting exactly the kind of style Pacquiao expected and wanted him to (minus the head butting and wrestling of course).
Defense – How well is a boxer slipping, parrying, and blocking punches? Good defense is important.
My comment: Horn's 15 percent connect percentage is consistent with what the eye saw during the fight: a guy throwing and missing punches. Aside from the two head clashes, Pacquiao looked like a guy who didn't eat a whole lot of leather during the fight. Horn, different story.
Hard and Clean Punches – To the untrained eye, it can appear as if a boxer is landing a lot of shots, when, in fact, most are being blocked or aren’t landing flush. A judge needs to look for hard shots that land clean.
My comment: Horn missed over 500 punches while consistently eating clean counter punches and nearly being stopped from the accumulated damage.
In summary, just because you hate Pacquiao doesn't mean he lost the fight. But I guess you can at least celebrate him being robbed. Well, that is, until he collects yet another huge paycheck from the rematch you will be purchasing on PPV.
You are free to review my scorecard and refute any round I had wrong.
Strange how I happen to coincidentally be in line with a completely subjective group I had absolutely no contact with. Maybe we have the same vision of how a fight should be judged and the average public are using their emotions to affect theirs?
It's simple, you, just like them, saw what you wanted to see.
Nope, because Floyd controlled the pace past round 6, and his defense was off the charts.
Unlike Manny who was getting bullied in 9 out of 12 rounds against The Hornet.
Your bias is exposed.
Pac is a great fighter, and clearly greatest contributor to the sport of boxing over the past 10 years, but he can and has been beat.
As for Mayweather, who knows? Clearly Mayweather is the best fighter pound for pound in the entire sport, but it's hard to know if he's beatable with his often selective approach to picking opposition.
I figure these two have 2 more years, tops, to make the mega-fight of their respective eras. After that, the fighters will both be well on the downside of their careers, and interest will probably be minimal at best.
I say Mayweather stalls this fight out of relevant existence.
his last fight was against one of the most active fighters in the sport and the guy just stood there rigo had no chance to make it exciting
That's why I used the word "fearless".
You have to put Rigo in there against fighters who will put themselves at a disadvantage in order to land punches.
It's disgusting. I wonder how long Rigo's contract runs with Arum. He should run to Showtime as soon as it's done.
I'm sure HBO wouldn't be too terribly disappointed. In fact, I think the only reason HBO isn't trying to cut Rigo loose is because they are holding hope that they can get a rematch with he and Donaire.
Once Rigo is with Showtime, that possibility is long gone.
Rigo is arguably the most boring and cowardly fighters in all of boxing. Very few fighters will actually turn their backs on the other fighter and literally jog away from the action, but Rigo has been known to do that. That said, he does have tremendous skill and may also be one of the most difficult to beat.
The solution to this problem is simple:
Those who are handling Rigo and his fights should only pit him against fearless pressure fighters. This will create the style match-up that will force Rigo to be a more entertaining fighter.
Floyd was an Olympic medalist who could speak english, not the same. Came from the Mayweather family too..
Besides that, Mayweather isn't on a bicycle the whole time. He'll hang in there from time to time, making the opposition miss and counterpunching.
This amateur style of Rigo's is nothing, at all, like Mayweather's style.
I think Golovkin has a decent chance. In fact, I think it's a close match and an intriguing match-up.
If I were either fighter, however, I'd only agree to this fight if the money is there. Otherwise, I wait until it is.
It's great fight to make, but it's also a huge risk for either fighter.
Ward could easily opt to fight guys like Kovalev or Stevens, and Golovkin has a big pay day waiting for him in what should be a relatively easy fight against Sergio Martinez.
Yes. As far as I know, Alvarez has never even been down, and I don't recall him ever even being hurt.
Knocking out Alvarez would be a huge stamp on an already hall of fame level career for Mayweather.
Hell, I wouldn't blame him for retiring on that kind of note, because he certainly can't top it.
A must see!
This is definitely the best card that has been assembled in a very long time. It's got a little something for everyone:
A fight with P4P implications
A potential brawl and fight of the year candidate
And a chess match
Going to be a lot of fun for sure.
People pay for a fight to see actions and excitement. Truth hurts :bottle::bottle:
Exactly. The truth is, lot's of boxers could run from the opposition and potshot and get a boring decision.
Most fighters, however, understand that doing so hurts their stock and is actually worse than losing an exciting fight.
Rigondeaux has already said he doesn't care if the fans boo him. So, why should the fans give a **** about him or his career?
Anyone who's watched Rigondeaux closely enough knows why he runs so blatantly....
The man has a weak chin. Cordoba dropped him with a half extended jab for crying out loud.