The extra weight was definately a huge help. As was not fighting a guy with blistering speed & power.
I felt he deserved the decision and fought well. But its not going to get any better for him. The time is right and he goes out with his head held high giving us one last war. Good for him.
Vargas is/was a vastly superior fighter & pushed Tito & Oscar to their limits in great performances.
Mayorga got his asshole pushed back in by shitter versions of the same two fighters than Vargas fought.
If you were really pushing a chavez agenda. I could see you having the fight even halfway through. But there is just no way I could possibly see him winning around after that.
It definately reminded me of how Vargas looked in the later rounds against Trinidad.. Same exhaustion, same unsturdy legs..
And of course that could only be a result of a low blow? His exhaustion had nothing to do with the fact that he was currently in a war? and his unsturdy legs had nothing to do with the fact that he'd absorbed a bunch of clean shots to the chin from one of the most vicious punchers of all time?
Nah, could only have been the low blows. :rolleyes:
I love the guy. Always enjoyed watching him and hope he gets back.
But he's in a really tough spot right now. When the bully gets the tabled turned on him, they are rarely the same again and this was undoubtably a huge blow to his confidence. Not to mention he's struggling to make 160, making it even harder to get back to his bullying ways.
It's Mayorga all over again I'm afraid.
Maybe if Hatton didn't run back down to 140 after getting his head snapped back so many times by Collazo. The Mitchell fight was a warmup fight for a new weightclass. Floyd would annhilate Hatton. Hatton barely beat Collazo.
Maybe what? you think Floyd was about to jepardise his DLH fight by fighting Hatton at 147? Get the hell outta here. Never gonna happen.
And I also think its stupid to give Floyd a pass for his warm up for a division against a complete carter. Yet bag Hatton for taking a drastically tougher fight for his. You think Hatton wouldn't have crushed Mitchell?
And Hatton has gone back to 140 (where he belongs anyway) to fight a guy that arguably beat Floyd.
So many people think Zab cant put a fight together, but those are the people that havent seen enough Zab Judah fights.
Or the people that have seen every one of his big fights against elite fighters.
Who else loves the last fight judah was in when he got a nc and beat a bum up? Wasn't that hilarious? Like that bum could take judah the distance and gas him out. His come-back fight was literally against the biggest bum ever. He deserved worst then a NC for taking on a bum like that. Then he made excuses and apologized to the fans for beating up a bum.
So, you're saying this guy was some kind of bum? Stop being so vague.
Who at the time was more dangerous than an unbeating Chico, JLC, and fighting at weights floyd shouldnt be seein untill he's old and fatter lol 154lbs against one of the best boxers in the past 10 years thats more dangerous itself than anyone Tony has fought
What the hell are you blabbering about? If you'd been paying attention, my problem with Floyd is all post-135. Corrales/Castillo are irrelevant here.
And for the record. There was nothing dangerous about fighting DLH. The Current Welterweight champ, moving up one division to fight an over the hill welter, years removed from his last quality win for a squillian dollars on a huge stage knowing you are going to retire immediately following the fight is hardly a dangerous fight.
Who wouldn't take that fight? Every schmuck from 135 on upwards would cut off a nut to take that fight tomorow.
But if they chose not to fight the top opposition, they wouldn't lose without being competitive. And Mosly wasn't on the slide, he easily beat a guy who Hatton struggled with. Also Mosly is believed by many to have the best chance at beating the P4P king.
You say that like 90% of fighters don't catch a ton of shit from internerds for 'ducking' this guy & that guy.
And I said Mosely 'was considered' on the slide, He absolutely was. Thats what happens when you go 1-4-0-1 in 6 fights. And the win was questionable. He sure as hell isn't in his prime.
Now he could be the best example you're looking for of a guy who was written off and has rejuvenated himself. But he's also an example of a guy who has chosen not to fight top opposition to do so.
I like Zab but I am shocked that so many people believe he is going to beat Miguel Cotto.
People seem to concentrate on Judah's physical skills which are impressive and ignore his mental frailties.
According to most he did have a "0". Morales and DLH were competitive in most of their losses. Morales was written off after his loss to Zahir (I think that was his name). Vargas lost the spotlight after the Tito fight, and labeled shot fighter after DLH. He put up a good fight VS Mosly the first time around and it was a close fight before they stopped it. Mosly is considered a top WW now.
So its less about the 'o' than it is about the performace you give. And if you're losing without being competitive, is it such a stretch to write a guy off? I don't think so.
Vargas was NOT written off after the Tito fight. He was written off after the DLH fight. Which was he 2nd devastating loss to top flight opposition. It was proof he was a step below the elite and he hasn't looked good since. And getting beat up twice by a guy half his size & who most considered on the slide himself doesn' help your argument.
Same with Morales, I don't think he was written off after the Raheem fight, but even if I conceed he was. It was because he looked like shit and hasn't won since. So writing him off was proven to be correct.
Why would he "go through hell" to make a fight with the weakest of the 4 belt holders?
Trying to convince people it was a legitimate fight and a real world title must've been hell.
Not to interupt the group sucking of Floyd and each others dicks here. But its pretty easy to say he offered people the fights, but what did he offer?
Fact is its become pretty clear that Floyd has been reading from the Roy Jones playbook while building his career and has priced himself out of a lot of fights as a result.
At the end of the day, if you really want the fight, you'll make it. And the only fight since Castillo that Floyd really wanted was Oscar and its the only real fight he's made since.
Hatton for instance turned down Floyd, yes. But WHY did he turn it down? Because he wanted a fight in the US under his belt before fighting Floyd. If Mayweather had really wanted that fight, he would've agreed to go to the UK and we would've had a fight. Ricky was the champ after all.
I don't give guys credit for making offers, I give guys credit for making fights. Other people seem to be able to do it. Why can't Floyd?
None of this, by the way has anything to do with his ability. He's an exceptional fighter who has fought & beat some great fighters.
I agree....this is going to be one of the dirtiest fights in history but unless castillo ko's hatton which i think will happen...hatton will win by decision if the referee gets involved....i can see the referee deducting many points towards castillo and avoiding everything dirty hatton does....It may be another bs fight ....and the story will continue in why boxinng is hurting...
At least you're keeping a positive outlook.
Only man at 154 I'd take over Oscar is Cory Spinks. That's cuz Spinks hits and runs. Cotto was occupied before the DLH fight. Everyone would take the money but wouldn't beat DLH.
Oscar>Margarito
Regardless Floyd is the best boxer in the sport.
It helps that 54 is a wasteland right now.
Er...Miranda didn't have an "0" going into the pavlik fight.
The major reason one loss is so much more damaging to a fighters rep these days as opposed to the past is because how careful so many fighters are in protecting the 0.
Fighters who just go out & fight everyone like a Morales or a DLH don't get written off from one loss.
Fighters who pad their records and are light on big names, when they do fight someone finally and lose. It pretty much kills them. Because the "0" is really all they have.
Floyd can't fight people who aren't there. He can't magically make opponents appear.
Cotto-occupied
Judah- defeated
Mosley- wasn't going to fight in front of his business partner
Margarito-signed to fight Williams. Didn't deserve a shot anyway
Who was Floyd supposed to fight? Either Mosley or DLH. Let's not forget many people on here picked DLH to beat Floyd. Just look at $in's signature with ALL of the people who chose Oscar to win. Oscar is still one of the best fighters in the game.
I was responding to a "DLH beats everyone at 54" comment by...whoever it was. I wasn't making the argument that you are trying to rebut.
But since you bring it up. I've never said he shouldn't have fought DLH. Of course he should've for both him & the sport. What I don't like is the fact that he took 5 years of 2nd rate opponents to get it.
So your saying Floyd should give in to what Hatton wants in order to get a fight with him? He made offers to Hatton which he either turned down or priced himself out. Hatton was ringside when Floyd fought Gatti and was supposedly next in line to fight Floyd but I guess Floyd's performance scared him off because he didn't see interested then. Anyway Floyd is the bigger name than Hatton so there is no reason Floyd should have to give in to get a fight with him it's just like Oscar is the bigger out of him and Floyd and thats why floyd gave in to Oscar's demands.
Welcome to the world of boxing.
I'm saying if Floyd wanted a fight with Hatton, it would've got made. Maybe if he wasn't in such a hurry to move up and take on the likes of Frombe' Mitchell and Henry Brussel Sprout they could've come to an agreement.
But you guess Hatton was scared though, so I suppose if you guess it, it must be true.
Floyd would box circles around them two.
Yeah, no point making any fights then. Lets just assume he'd beat everyone. How it looks on paper is always how it turns out in real life anyway.
No need for him to actually go out and prove anything.