Was rooting for Khan all along even before Canelo went diva this week.
That said, I kinda wonder if GBP is maybe f*cking with us?
Maybe they will make the GGG fight next but they wanna drive up the sales for this fight with Khan so they basically troll the entire boxing world and Canelo "turns heel" temporarily so everyone buys this fight on Saturday hoping to see Canelo lose. Big PPV # achieved.
Then all is forgiven when they do make the GGG fight next, just as they intended to all along. Canelo will say some kind of sh*t like Golovkin still doesn't deserve it, but I listen to my fans and I'm going to give them what they want because I'm a real champion and a proud Mexican warrior and that's what Mexicans do.
Face turn. All Canelo's fans come back plus he gains a bunch more and he's a hero just for taking the fight and that probably drives up the PPV #s for Canelo-GGG.
I'm hoping something like the above might be afoot but sadly I don't think it is. I really, really don't want to hate Canelo but if he shamelessly ducks GGG, I'm going to have no choice
Canelo will be about 173 (though we won't know) and Khan will be about 168.
I think Khan packed on some size for this fight (some people said he looked fat when they were doing photo promos for the fight--he wasn't out of shape--he was eating extra because you can build muscle much faster, and you can strip off the fat afterwards. I just hope the extra muscle didn't f*ck up his speed.
It doesn't even matter which guy is bigger or smaller. It's all about age. You can cut a LOT more weight and still be OK after it doing so when you're in your 20s. That's why Canelo used to be able to make 154 and rehydrate to 172 and fight well. He's young.
A 34 year-old's body is not going to tolerate that well AT ALL, Canelo's team knows it (hell every boxer in the world knows that)
... and so I guarantee you if Canelo and his team even have the nuts to take the fight, it'll be 155 or GTFOH because they know that Canelo's chances substantially improve if can fight a guy who is going to feel very weak and sluggish in the ring, because his body won't recover like that of a young man within the 30 hour span between weigh-in and the opening bell.
More people are talking Floyd than Canelo Khan. And it's supposed to be fight week.
(1) Not true
(2) Even if it were true it's because all the analysis that can be done on the fight has already been done. Khan will probably outbox Canelo until Khan (likely) gets his head knocked off. And if Khan doesn't get his head knocked off, he might still lose because the judges can still rob him. That's pretty much all there is to be said lol
Canelo might relinquish the title at the scales. He comes in at 156 and doesn't try to make weight. Khan weights in at 154 1/2
Fight night Canelo comes in at 178 but refuses to be weighed in by the HBO scales. Khan comes in around 162.
Missing 155 wouldn't cause him to lose his title because it's a Middleweight title (hard to remember sometimes with all this "create your own division" nonsense!!!)
He would definitely owe Khan some money though for failing to make the contract weight.
They have literally made the place unbearable.
What is sad is you know that the majority of them only knew about GGG since 2015, now they are die hard guys.
If people stopped hating on a guy who is clearly one of the top fighters in the game today (and I have to believe they're just doing it to troll), it wouldn't be like that.
Some of the huge GGG fans may be overstating things a bit, or at least stating things prematurely that haven't yet been borne out in the ring, but that happens with any undefeated knockout artist as his profile continues to grow and he draws in fans.
The truly deranged lot are the hardcore haters.
For example, I mean you had dudes saying that the Nielsen ratings for GGG's last fight were faked as part of some vast elaborate conspiracy and that discussion became a 30-page thread. LOL. I think if GGG went back in time and beat Sugar Ray Robinson the GGG e-hatesquad would say, "Well Robinson's prime was at Welterweight anyways" :)
I'll attempt to save this shit thread by saying this:
One thing I actually could see happening is if Khan wins next Saturday, Floyd comes back and him and Amir fight at 155 for the lineal Middleweight title (regardless of what the WBC mandates)
It'd be a huge event with Floyd (kinda-sorta) challenging for a lineal title in *another* division, plus the whole 50-0 thing.
Khan will be in line for some *serious* motherf*cking money if he somehow pulls this off next Saturday -- he probably gets a Floyd fight *AND* he gets a Canelo rematch.
The upside to Saturday's fight for Amir Khan is freaking enormous. One thing I can guarantee you is that he'll be highly motivated if nothing else.
Too early for Inoue.
No it isn't. He's got the stuff to be the P4P King himself.
There's a limited window for this fight though because Inoue is going to grow (as in, physically). Logic would suggest he won't be at 115 for too much longer. Inoue was FOTY last year according to a lot of writers & analysts.
There are literally hundreds of "WTF" Tweets re: compubox in that fight and anybody who thinks that stuff is exact science doesn't know what compubox really is.
It's nothing more than a sometimes-accurate (but occasionally wildly inaccurate) estimate based off a couple of dudes at ringside hitting buttons.
Pacquiao-Bradley I is one of the many fights which exposed its substantial limitations.
Not that it actually matters in the grand scheme, but if you don't have Khan winning 3 rounds minimum before he got starched, you weren't paying attention or you have an agenda.
That's the thing. Nobody is daring to be great in today's era because the money isn't worth it. The price for risky fights is not worth it when you are getting similar purses for safer fights in your own division.
Yes, and who started paying big time money for fights that aren't worth a bag of penis?
It isn't that the money for big fights isn't big enough, it's that the paydays for 2-3 sh*t fights is equivalent money.
He needed a way to cheer himself up after a devastating loss
The reason Khan is loved by many and also viciously hated by many is his eternal optimism, or what his detractors would call, "being delusional".
When things are good, Amir will be sure to let you know about it. When things are bad and the world is falling down around him and he's been brutally knocked out, he'll be obsessed with convincing the world (or perhaps himself) that everything is fine—just a setback, not a defeat in the grand scheme of things.
The dude took an ambulance selfie and put it on Instagram for Christsakes LOL
I don't mind it though. When Tiger Woods was in his prime, the best quality he had was the ability to completely forget about the occasional horrible shot.
Boxing, golf, and life in general is much the same way: do you dwell, or do you take the hit and keep moving forward? For better or for worse, no one "keeps moving forward" quite like Khan.
In only one of the KO losses did he take an extended beating after initially getting hurt (Garcia) and they say usually that getting swiftly "anesthetized" like he was against Canelo & Prescott is actually the best way to get KOd if it is going to happen.
Khan will only fight again if he wants to -- because Khan's team have helped make him one of the richest fighters in the sport. At age 29. But you, random Internet guy, think they're a bunch of mugs and that Khan should fire them ... OK, lol
They not ganna risk a ppv draw in conelo who can bring them multiply huge fight for ggg who onky did 97k .......they know who the cash cow is in this fight
^ Did you all ever notice that people who hate Golovkin (and call him "Mr. 97K") are always the ones who can't spell, use proper grammar, or capitalize?
Just a random musing ...
Also did anyone know that the source of that 97K rumor also claimed Canelo-Cotto didn't break 600K? Funny how haters run with one rumor and run away from the other--even though the rumors stem from the same source!!!
Watch them all ignore this post.
Khan may think he's a star but he's taking the short end of the financial stick by a good margin I suppose. And more important, he's fighting at the weight Canelo prefers even though it's a huge disadvantage to him. So yeah, what Oscar is saying makes sense.
Khan's taking 45% to Canelo's 55% on US revenue.
Khan get 55% to 45% of UK revenue.
The Canelo Golovkin fight is a much bigger fight in the United States and Canelo's saying GGG gotta come to 155 and says a 90%/10% split is fair.
But Canelo and Oscar aren't making ridiculous demands to avoid the fight. Right. ROFL.
I don't think this is gonna be as bad as some think. I don't think anyone is gonna be throwing a Canelo parade if it goes down, but I don't think its gonna be THAT bad.
For the most part the average fan doesn't give much of a f#ck about the belts these days. You can't. There are far too many of them. The sport is over saturated with belts. They'd have to be & continue to grow less valuable. So while it'll look bad if it drops the belt to avoid fighting GGG at 160 in September, Oscar & Canelo can always spin it into the angle they've seemed to be trying to spin it to. "Canelo isn't a 160lber".
They could easily hire a nutritionist & get Canelo down to 154 for a fight or three, fighting some legit 154 guys (who?, Is a good question since Haymon basically owns this division, but HBO & Haymon has been working together so it seems within the realm of possibility they could find options) & then move back up to 160 in May or Sept. of 2017 or sometime in 2018 & assuming Oscar has gotten his wish, & GGG has been knocked off & humanized a lil more or gotten older & less threatening, they can make the fight then & regain back all they lost & more if they do beat GGG.
I also think the WBC could buy the whole 155 thing & that Canelo needs more time to grow into the division & more or less switch the titles GGG & Canelo currently have & basically giving Canelo a new time table to fight GGG for the real title while defending the interim title til that time. That'd keep the WBC getting their sanctioning fees from both guys, the fight still makeable in the near future, gives GGG the title he should have & keeps Canelo at his 155 weight for a lil longer. Seems like a all around win for all the parties close to the situation. Fans might be a lil pissed, but some fans are pissed all the time anyway & I don't see this being the straw on the camels back for THAT many people.
Only flaw with that is you're looking at it from the perspective of the non-Mexican-American casual fan (and I don't mean you specifically -- but the frame of the analysis you just provided).
Mexicans / Mexican-Americans are one of the most knowledgeable fan bases in the sport. They know what's up. Spin doesn't work on them in quite the same way. Boxing is like the #2 sport in Mexico behind "fútbol".
I think he just said that the gift could happen at 115. I'm not willing to call it a duck if they fight at 115. Chocolatito rehydrated to 126 on Saturday. He's obviously tight at the weight.
plus the NYC angle helps Frampton and not Leo one of his favorite sons. That is weird. What I don't get is all these people saying "sign with Haymon, he be keeping his fighters more active doe!" Yet examples like this where Jacobs will have been out of the ring one week shy of 8 months and we saw what happened to poor porter and thurman, even if thurman wouldn't have got hurt it would have been 9 months. What is going on with these inactive fighters???!! hard to get any momentum.
Too many mouths to feed and the stacks of cash are no longer infinite
Canelo is a superstar, not a boxing legend.
Khan thinks that he is fighting Hagler
Come on, if Khan pulls this off it would be one of the biggest upsets of the last 20 years. He has to get credit if he does.
Canelo has one of the best résumés in boxing right now and the overwhelming majority of experts are giving Khan no chance whatsoever.
Its obvious, team GGG like everyone else plays the risk-reward ratio like majority of teams.
Some fighters are worth the risk and others are not
that nobody will fight him excuse is a little worn out considering they havent taken every fight offered to them and some fights just fall through
its about $$$ not legacy. If it was about legacy his team would accept the fight at 155, kick Canelito's butt and never have to make anything below 160 again.
wishful thinking
No, I think they absolutely will go to 155 if they have to do so to get Canelo. And I think that's why for this current Wade fight GGG is lighter than he ever has been well in advance. He's preparing (even right now) to go lower on the scales than he ever has before come September.
Team GGG is not going to actually publicly say they're willing to do 155 when they're a damn mando and they're not obligated per WBC rules to go below 160.
They're going to sit down at the negotiating table and by having held firm on 160, they'll either get a compromise from Team Canelo on the weight (maybe 157) or they'll use their willingness to go all the way down to 155 as a way to maybe get a little bit more money or something.
This is negotiating 101. Just because you're the B-side doesn't mean you have no negotiating power at all. Pretty much every executive at a big corporation is the B-side because it's one person vs. a behemoth of an institution, but if you don't negotiate on salary, you're a schmuck.
Remember when Ellerbe said in Episode 1 of the Floyd-Canelo All-Access that they would have fought Canelo at 154, but when they saw an interview on this site where Canelo said he'd do 152 for Floyd, they held him to it and insisted on it?
^ That was a major mistake on the part of Canelo and his team
The Golovkin crew is not making that same mistake.
Another guy that made a similar mistake was Dawson saying he'd go to 168 for Ward. Dumb move.
All the people who think Team GGG is hypocritical don't really understand the concept of asking for more than you're really willing to accept LOL and are wasting a whole lot of keystrokes whining about it!
I agree. I can't think of a single UK "champ" that fought any americans
Hamed, Hatton, and Khan.
But Brook isn't from their cloth. His whole game is fighting bums until Khan decides to come home and give him a payday. The plan is to take zero risk as long as the the possibility of a Khan fight lingers out there in the nebulous future.
Conor is not making more than Khan. Khan is guaranteed $8 mil. Conor is guaranteed $1 mil. I'm talking what they are guaranteed to make. The check they receive as soon as the fight is over. MMA isn't covered by the Ali Act so Connor doesn't even know how much the UFC is making on his fights.
^ This 1,000%
UFC is not covered by Ali Act. And as a privately-owned corporation, the only real transparency required of Zuffa is filing a proper tax return.
I remember Rafeal said that Showtime's deal with Floyd was such that as long as Floyd averaged 1.05 million buys million per fight over the 6 fights, Showtime would break even on the Floyd deal. And under that deal, Mayweather was guaranteed $32 million per fight.
So if McGregor's fights are selling 1 million PPV and he's only getting $1 million guaranteed that's pretty terrible.
Punchers are born
Stars are made and built....nobody knows any of the pbc guys
The fights we want will happen
People lost faith on pac-money
Just as they did with thurman-porter
....good things are worth the wait
Thurman is extremely entertaining in and out of the ring and has a highly accessible, magnetic personality -- a natural in front of the camera. If he was being built the way K2 / HBO built Golovkin, Thurman would be just as big or bigger than GGG.
But Thurman isn't kept sufficiently active and he isn't being aggressively marketed to the fans the way I think a man of Thurman's talents truly deserves.
Please tell me this is not a serious thread.
Those "promoters" do not have any say in decision making and they do not put their own money at risk. Most of them don't even have these fighters under any contract. They are not promoters. They are Haymon employees, and he is only using them to squeeze by the Ali Act on a technicality and use their Promoters license. This is also a good reason why none of these fighters can gain any traction with the fans/public.
Jeez, I thought this was common knowledge.
^ This dude knows. Everyone else is talking BS
I grew up in the 90s when boxing on tv was dyng out and you had to have showtime or hbo to see fights worth anything.
We will never get to see all the fights we want to so.....POLITICS, NETWORKS, ETC so why are people on this forum trashing PBC
Some people on this thread have said, "well I wouldn't mind but how come all these 'PBC Haters' seem to be less vocal about less-than-competitive fights put on by HBO (a network people do have to pay for)?"
I think the answer is that hardcore fans are mostly aware that HBO is working with a limited talent pool of non-PBC fighters. With what they have, HBO is not doing bad. PBC in some cases has entire divisions (e.g., 154) and isn't doing anything with them--he's got the Jermall Charlo, Jermell Charlo, J-Rock Williams, Austin Trout, Erislandy Lara, Martirosyan, Willie Nelson ...
... Trout-Lara happened pre-PBC and the only other pairing we've had in the PBC era is Martirosyan-Nelson. But that could be a hot division if more of these guy were thrown in together. But they aren't.
Sure, you could say HBO "banned Al Haymon" so the limited talent pool is their fault, but remember at the time that decision was made, the Haymon e-squad ridiculed HBO (with justification). Because Haymon/Schaefer had ALREADY moved all of their star fighters over to Showtime except Broner and Seth Mitchell (lol, yes he was a hot prospect at the time) and so the Floyd/Haymon-lovers (correctly) pointed out how ridiculous it was for HBO to claim they were "banning" Haymon--like teenage girls, they were seemingly playing the "we dumped him, he didn't dump us" game.
Haymon wouldn't want to put his fighters back on HBO tomorrow even if HBO begged him to do so, because he's trying to freeze them out and kill them off so that the PBC is the only game in town. That would only breathe new life into a rival that he has already hurt.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter that the fights are free. The idea of PBC was to get enough viewers such that ad time is valuable enough to cover the costs of the fight (on the theory that the rights to live sports broadcasts have soared in value in recent years). Al is in the game to make a profit just like HBO is, and with the enormous talent pool and enormous resources that he has to promote and market it, thus far his product leaves a lot to be desired.
Great post...I totally agree....and I wont even be baited into GGG convo....another thread entirely....both dudes have similar resume and talent....GGG is marketed well and has had a very active schedule for a top contender in his division in his defense
Thanks. And it wasn't bait, lol. I mean for whatever reason if you're not fighting the best (b/c the best won't fight you, or b/c your boss won't let you fight the top guys, etc.) -- whatever it is -- at the very least, just be active. Fight 4 times a year.
The problem is that Keith is probably on a $1M+ guarantee every time out. Which means Haymon can't afford to put him in the ring 4x per year. You can't build a name with the casual fans if you aren't constantly appearing on their TV screens.
The genius of marketing GGG was the same formula they used with young Mike Tyson: knock someone out in spectacular fashion, make the casual fans say, "holy sh*t, when can we see this guy again?" ... and the answer would be, "3 months, same time, same channel (HBO), see you then"
... after Thurman fights, the answer is, "umm, it's unclear, possibly on CBS, ESPN, NBC, Bounce, FS1???"
... and there's the whole belt quest thing. Casual fans don't understand the alphabet soup but they know what undisputed means and they like the inherently appealing concept of one champ. Tyson gave them that. GGG is trying to do the same.
I don't see the current PBC formula (with substantial periods of inactivity for many fighters who do have star potential) as a formula that is conducive to building stars.
The only guy Haymon has been keeping very active is Wilder. But then what do they do? They take one of their fastest-growing stars and place his most recent fight head-to-head with NFL playoff games last Saturday night. That was just stupid. Whoever made that decision should be fired immediately.
Getting back to the point though, Thurman should be as big or bigger than GGG right now but I would argue that his career is being poorly handled right now.
Not at all, his career would've taken a much worse hit than it did after the losses he suffered in his career and he would've been called a hypejob, American fans don't stand behind their fighters after they lose and that's why most American fighters are very careful when it comes to matchmaking, one loss and you're doomed a hypejob forever. Look at Canelo, he was in his prime and still lost every round against a smaller 36 year old, yet his fans still love him and support him, I can't remember any similar scenario in recent memory with an American fighter, all I hear about American fighters is duck duck duck, hype hype hype.
What came first, the chicken or the egg? When a guy has 25-30 fights over 5 years of "cautious matchmaking" and then loses the only legit fight he's ever had, I love to see him get shredded because he should have sought out challenges earlier & built up his skills.
Gary Russell is someone that comes to mind here. He could have had a title shot probably 2 years before he actually stepped up and took one. And he had Haymon so he certainly had the connections to get a title shot. He simply didn't want one, and was content to destroy guys who weren't even in the Top 100, earning cushy little paydays in so doing.
I LOVED when Lomachenko boxed his ears off and made him look silly. He got what he deserved for wasting fans' time and trying our patience all those years.
If Russell had been like Canelo trying to fight the whole damn world before age 25, then I'd be a fan of his win or lose. But Russell is the exact opposite of Canelo.