We get boxing on free TV so whats all the complaints about PBC

That comes from people who favorite fighters fight on HBO and they think both entities can't exist, they think a side must be chosen. This is the mentality of the 2016 Boxing Fan Groomed to be stupid by the entire Mayweather vs Pacquiao ERA. They all feel like they must pick a side in everything if you notice. Also think the crying about the matches are completely overblown as well because again, these fights are not on HBO so because their favorite fighters GGG, Kovalev and others are associated with HBO and not with PBC so their mission is to spend most of their time bashing PBC and praising HBO when in actuality HBO matches are technically no better than PBC. HBO gets a pass for their mismatches though :lol1: HBO Schedule so far for 2016 is pure Sh1T! Mismatches and Rematches that nobody is asking. Where is the outrage and the threads complaining about that sh1t lineup I love BOXING in general, I don't remember boxing being this divided Pre-Mayweather and Pacquiao ERA in which fans was acting like Groupies for Networks, Managers and Promotions. I watch and Support ALL because I'm a Boxing Fans not a "Boxer Fan" or "Network Fan" or "Promotion Fan" but a Boxing Fan. Apparently "Boxing Fans" died during the Mayweather and Pacquiao ERA it is really not many of us left at least not on this forum :lol1:

Respectfully dude, I don't have an issues with Wilder other than quality of opposition. He is like the one PBC dude that fights regularly. Well yea, I agree, I like to watch him fight, I just consider Fury the better and more appealing fighter. I am just saying he would have no training camp if he fought Povetkin so soon, he just fought Szpilka lol. I am all about activity, the champs of old fought many times a year, boxing should go back to that, I have always championed that cause, no pun intended.

Not realistic though, Wilder isn't getting back into the ring so soon. I agree about the rest though. Respectfully dude, I don't have an issues with Wilder other than quality of opposition. He is like the one PBC dude that fights regularly.

If I was involved you'd have watched Wilder/Povetkin, Garcia/Ghost and Spence/Berto (or someone like that) last weekend and Thurman/Porter and Santa Cruz/Russell (in Cali or Tampa) this weekend. Not realistic though, Wilder isn't getting back into the ring so soon. I agree about the rest though.

my bad you wasn't watching boxing when they were putting out all those crappy ppv shows in the late 90s and 2000s....my fault newbie....my fault youre a clown man...don't you got some slow mo videos to make or something I've been watching since the 90's as well and none of those fights would be ppv, they're not promoted by don King. Me thinking you're an idiot doesn't make me a pacquiao fan. I scored that fight 10-2 for Floyd and have praised him numerous times.

x2. I watch every event I am able to. Thank you Al Haymon/Bigg Dunn! If I was involved you'd have watched Wilder/Povetkin, Garcia/Ghost and Spence/Berto (or someone like that) last weekend and Thurman/Porter and Santa Cruz/Russell (in Cali or Tampa) this weekend.

:rofl: tells you all you need to know about how simple his mind is. Therealpugilist is the Brendan Dassey of NSB. my bad you wasn't watching boxing when they were putting out all those crappy ppv shows in the late 90s and 2000s....my fault newbie....my fault youre a clown man...don't you got some slow mo videos to make or something

I did. I love how much boxing we get on the PBC series. x2. I watch every event I am able to. Thank you Al Haymon/Bigg Dunn!

Uhhhmmmmmmm................ http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Could-You-Not-Meme-Girl-Gif-During-The-Car-Ride-To-Disneyland_408x408.jpg :rofl: tells you all you need to know about how simple his mind is. Therealpugilist is the Brendan Dassey of NSB.

I bet half of these posters didn't even tune into the PBC card on FS1 the other day :lol1: I did. I love how much boxing we get on the PBC series.

I bet half of these posters didn't even tune into the PBC card on FS1 the other day :lol1:

Uhhhmmmmmmm................ http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Could-You-Not-Meme-Girl-Gif-During-The-Car-Ride-To-Disneyland_408x408.jpg we had some god awful PPV cards in the 2000-2009...fights that should have been on reg hbo/showtime or reg tv mismatches as headliners etc

Thanks. And it wasn't bait, lol. I mean for whatever reason if you're not fighting the best (b/c the best won't fight you, or b/c your boss won't let you fight the top guys, etc.) -- whatever it is -- at the very least, just be active. Fight 4 times a year. The problem is that Keith is probably on a $1M+ guarantee every time out. Which means Haymon can't afford to put him in the ring 4x per year. You can't build a name with the casual fans if you aren't constantly appearing on their TV screens. The genius of marketing GGG was the same formula they used with young Mike Tyson: knock someone out in spectacular fashion, make the casual fans say, "holy sh*t, when can we see this guy again?" ... and the answer would be, "3 months, same time, same channel (HBO), see you then" ... after Thurman fights, the answer is, "umm, it's unclear, possibly on CBS, ESPN, NBC, Bounce, FS1???" ... and there's the whole belt quest thing. Casual fans don't understand the alphabet soup but they know what undisputed means and they like the inherently appealing concept of one champ. Tyson gave them that. GGG is trying to do the same. I don't see the current PBC formula (with substantial periods of inactivity for many fighters who do have star potential) as a formula that is conducive to building stars. The only guy Haymon has been keeping very active is Wilder. But then what do they do? They take one of their fastest-growing stars and place his most recent fight head-to-head with NFL playoff games last Saturday night. That was just stupid. Whoever made that decision should be fired immediately. Getting back to the point though, Thurman should be as big or bigger than GGG right now but I would argue that his career is being poorly handled right now. I wouldn't necessarily say that Thurman is being 'mishandled'. But definitely one of the things missing from PBC is a consistent media presence to constantly talk up its fighters and plans. Someone to give those interviews to talk up what is in the PBC pipeline for future fights or plans for certain fighters. A face man to serve as a consistent tie to PBC across the various networks. When PBC first started, I (like most) always assumed that Schaeffer would slide into that role, but that hasn't happened (at least not yet). Even a guy like Don King would be perfect for that role: great talker, already a known commodity with fans and the media, and wouldn't be handling any of the fighter's money. IMO, the lack of this has somewhat slowed the marketability of PBC and some of its fighters. But it can be easily corrected (if that is in fact the plan).

Some of the fighters could have had better opponents but patience is key when building a brand. Its only been a year and we are getting Porter vs Thurman on T.v which would have been on PPV Garcia vs Guerrero would have been on PPV Uhhhmmmmmmm................ http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Could-You-Not-Meme-Girl-Gif-During-The-Car-Ride-To-Disneyland_408x408.jpg

I'm curious as to how Haymon's hedge fund are looking at the brand as a whole and how they see it turning over profits for them to keep dumping money into the product. These are all "purchased" TV slots more so than the Networks giving the brand the TV deals based on total viewership and riding off Nielsen ratings (which in a whole haven't been ground breaking at all). To me, free boxing is a great thing, it surely is. On the flipside, what does PBC do for the sport? Is it raising the popularity of the sport? Is it attracting more of the youth to the sport? I can see where PBC is bringing more exposure to the sport but is it an exposure that can lead to revenue which offsets the massive amount of money required to sustain it? I don't really know that but I do know that reported losses of nearly 500M in one year is staggering. PBC is like a big corporation that infiltrates a market and attempts to dominate it. This is one of the big problems with boxing, there are separate entities all competing against each other with their own financial motives dictating how the sport is run. Other sports are not like this, they are all governed by one single authority. NFL for instance, they have over 30 teams that are all held to salary caps that restrict them from having all of the stars just because they have more money than the other teams. They can't pick and choose which teams they face and they can't have all of their games at home either. Also, the NFL teams represent a particular area which automatically creates a fanbase. Boxing is structured so differently from other, more popular sports that I think it plays a large part in why it is not as successful as it could otherwise have been.

I hate this reasoning, the best fights can't happen every event, the more events you do the less that can happen, and it's foolish from a business perspective to stack up your best matches first when you have a contract. They're not happening in any event on PBC.

I have no complaints. It's no different from watching FNF fights, except when watching PBC you always have this expectation of the main card being always a showcase fight starring a PBC top star. You'd immediately ask yourself, "When is this guy going to fight one of the Charlo brothers, and so on?" It's always like watching a predictable movie in which the hero always gets the girl.

agreed :boxing: If they bring Schaeffer and some of his associates on I would expect some changes. For instance, I get that you get 2 cards the last 2 weeks. I'd rather have seen wilder/spilka paired with danny/ghost and maybe a spence/tune up this week on ESPN. Promote it, get wilder and danny espn guest spots, have an actual press event 5 weeks prior to the fight.

You highlighted a lot of the "little things" Haymon and his associates need to improve to enhance their product. Good post. agreed :boxing:

Thanks. And it wasn't bait, lol. I mean for whatever reason if you're not fighting the best (b/c the best won't fight you, or b/c your boss won't let you fight the top guys, etc.) -- whatever it is -- at the very least, just be active. Fight 4 times a year. The problem is that Keith is probably on a $1M+ guarantee every time out. Which means Haymon can't afford to put him in the ring 4x per year. You can't build a name with the casual fans if you aren't constantly appearing on their TV screens. The genius of marketing GGG was the same formula they used with young Mike Tyson: knock someone out in spectacular fashion, make the casual fans say, "holy sh*t, when can we see this guy again?" ... and the answer would be, "3 months, same time, same channel (HBO), see you then" ... after Thurman fights, the answer is, "umm, it's unclear, possibly on CBS, ESPN, NBC, Bounce, FS1???" ... and there's the whole belt quest thing. Casual fans don't understand the alphabet soup but they know what undisputed means and they like the inherently appealing concept of one champ. Tyson gave them that. GGG is trying to do the same. I don't see the current PBC formula (with substantial periods of inactivity for many fighters who do have star potential) as a formula that is conducive to building stars. The only guy Haymon has been keeping very active is Wilder. But then what do they do? They take one of their fastest-growing stars and place his most recent fight head-to-head with NFL playoff games last Saturday night. That was just stupid. Whoever made that decision should be fired immediately. Getting back to the point though, Thurman should be as big or bigger than GGG right now but I would argue that his career is being poorly handled right now. You highlighted a lot of the "little things" Haymon and his associates need to improve to enhance their product. Good post.