Have heard of that happening with other boxers, as long as he gave a sample in the end I see no reason to be suspicious
You only see no reason to be suspicious because you don't understand how this works. It's possible to take PEDs and piss hot one week and not the next, which appears to be what his team were banking on.
If anyone in Wilder's team has any business sense or any interest in his well-being and career, he will insist on step aside money.
But they don't, and he's a moron, so the fight will probably go ahead and his career at the top level will be cut short by a vicious beating.
No matter what he said in public, Wilder knew how humiliated he was in the first fight against a fat coke-head. He knew the only way he could win was to land a hail Mary right hand, but even the two he landed didn't put Fury down first time round. We all know he wanted and needed the extra pop in his punches, and this looks like he didn't exactly earn it honestly.
I wonder why all the people crying about him being cheated aren't talking about how dodgy this looks?
Wilder IS a bum, but Fury's win over him is incredibly impressive when viewed in the right context.
Not many thought he could do what he said he was going to do, and even less thought he would actually try. To match fire with fire and fight toe to toe with one of the most dangerous punchers in history, even eating and walking through multiple big right hands in the process, takes an almost inhuman level of self-confidence and belief. To do such a thing and completely dominate, humiliate and destroy the guy in the process makes this one of the most impressive wins in HW history, regardless of how limited your opponent is skill-wise.
Put simply; Wilder is a bum, but he's the most dangerous bum to have ever lived, and to play to his only strength and dismantle him like that is an ATG win.
Your hero Anthony Joshua has a front man and a mouthpiece to do his bidding for him while Deontay Wilder does not. Not only does he has to promote his fights but he has to fight them as well.
Which is why AJ can go several months in seclusion without making any public appearances or saying a single word to the media or social media because Eddie Hearn does it all for him. "The Bronze Bomber" has been selling all of his bouts for the past five years.
Now it's Fury's time to go out to help promote and sell the fight. It's called load management. All these television appearances, teleconferences, press conferences and social media interviews, he's been doing over the past five years have taken its toll.
If he ever is going to get his title back then it all has to end.
It's not his title anymore, and I don't see him ever getting it back as long as Fury holds it
Lol...so now you can tell what material it is and how much weighs by looking at it. You guys are awesome. Plus, he said it's just about 3 stone - not significantly more. Nor have i seen anyone suggests it weighs significantly more.
I never said anything about "significantly more", I just said "more", and, the last time I checked, 45 lbs is more than 42 lbs.
As for the materials, I'm making an assumption, yes, but even assuming that it's made of metal instead of plastic, it still weighs nowhere near 45lbs.
Anyone who buys this bs excuse is more deluded than the idiot who thought it sounded plausible enough to state it in the first place.
Breland did what he thought was right but I gotta agree with what your saying. If you value your job then you may want to listen to your boss. In this situation Wilder was the boss.
Boxing is different though. How many other jobs can your boss die through your negligent inaction? If Wilder had been beaten so bad his career was over, Breland is out of a job anyway.
Yeah man I see your point. If I was black I wouldnt feel embarrassed by these gimps though. That's like me being embarrassed by Neo Nazi behaviour or something.
This Pharoe guys is an absolute embarrassment though lol. Imagine having such a stunted world view
The problem with this view is that every human, regardless of race, should be ashed that society allows these people to exist and these things to happen.
If more people actually felt shame about some of the most shameful episodes of our history we would be less likely to repeat them and wouldn't be voting for admitted racists as our leaders and believing them when they say ridiculously racist stuff about people no different from you or I.
Not a personal attack on you, for the record, just using what you said as an example to put across my opinion as to why the world is such a shithole these days.
No arguably about it. Fury lost against a national level fighter.
I don't think you understand what "arguably" means. You can't say there was "no arguably about it" to someone who is literally arguing with you.
Whether he's right or wrong is irrelevant, he disagrees, meaning the statement that "McDermott arguably beat Fury" is 100% correct, whether you like it or not.
Interesting viewpoint. So do you see corner stoppages a little different when the corner asks the fighter if they are good and they may say they are good but don't make it clear enough that they want to continue? For example, how do you view Lamont against Errol?
That's the only grey area. I would personally argue that if you cannot convince someone you want to continue, deep down you want them to stop it. Look at some fighters angry reactions to corner stoppages.
I think quitting is saying "NO MAS" Duran, Walter style where theirs still fight to be had but you dont want to fight no more.
I think getting subdued into calling it a day like Cotto did or how Dirrel did vs Benavidez is different, sure they folded up and didn't want no more and was looking for someone to stop it for them like the ref or the corner but thats not really quitting they gave it their all and they have no more left to give that imo is not quitting it just being bested in the worse way.
Why you choose to quit doesn't change the definition of the word, or the fact you had the chance to carry on but chose not to. Everyone you listed is a quitter.
Roberto Duran = quitter
Victor Ortiz (jaw broke) = not a quitter
Again, having a valid reason doesn't mean you didn't choose to quit. Ortiz refused to leave his stool, he quit. You might think a broken jaw is a valid reason to quit, but that doesn't mean he didn't quit.
Did Franco quit against Moloney?
The referee asked him if he was able to continue and he said "no".
If the referee or Doctor had asked Dubois would that make it ok?
I see a very fine line. If you're beaten to the point of an injury you can't continue with - what difference does it make who made the call?
Yes, if what you say is true, Franco quit against Maloney. Asking someone else to stop it for you is the sign of a fighter who knows he's quitting, but knows he has no valid reason to and is looking for a way to save face.
A quit is a quit is a quit. Mitigating factors might mean that some are more justified than others, but the actual meaning of the word is abundantly clear.
It is usually quite obvious when a Boxer quits, but for me the real importance is more about why he has quit. Having your orbital broken and nerve damage like Dubois or Brook is a perfectly good reason to quit as far as I'm concerned. Some other fighters would soldier on with their facial bones all wankered and risk permanently damaging themselves and its all very brave and heroic but I dont blame ppl who quit before they sustain life injuries.
For what it's worth, I agree with you, 100%. My issue comes when people say he didn't quit; he knelt down and chose not to get back up in time. I think he was justified in quitting, but he still quit.
Vitali fought 4 rounds with a cut and that was enough to make him a warrior in Johnny Public's eyes. By his trainer's account of when it happened, Dubois fought as many as 7 rounds with an orbital fracture. Not a warrior?
Vitali was stopped and angry about it, Dubois knelt down and gave up. If you can't see the difference there, I really don't know what to tell you.
It's not over. Wilder could easily win this next fight. He has the speed and the power and he even hurt Fury in the 2nd fight.
To give an example say hypothetically Fury and Wilder were to fight 10 times - and Fury wins 7 times and Wilder wins 3.
One of those 3 Wilder wins could easily happen next...
I'm not entirely convinced Wilder has it in him to beat Fury, no matter how many times they fought.
Wilder caught and dropped Fury twice and couldn't even put him away with one of the heaviest knock-downs I've ever seen survived, but in the rematch Fury ate two similar shots and walked through them and destroyed the guy. I'm not sure Wilder has the power combined with the skill to put Fury away, whereas we know Fury can decimate Wilder and send him to hospital.
If they fight 100 times, Wilder wins less than 10, probably even less than 5.
Either action is weak and petty AF! I think Wilder's statements regarding Floyd and Tyson were petty, and were a reaction to them scoring the first fight in Fury's favor! DISRESPECTFUL!
The bit that really gets me is that Wilder actually knows his boxing, and were he in Paulie's position he'd have had exactly the same opinion, but he's too close and his fragile ego won't allow him accept an obvious truth. It's sad, really, that he can be so mentally damaged.
"He had everything going for him Deontay Wilder and got beat by a superb Tyson Fury on the night and that's the end of it."
Point to be noted.
This means anyone can hit first in the Heavyweight and take the fight away?
Except Wilder did hit him first, and Fury walked through it and destroyed his soul.
When it comes to propaganda, it's not a matter of fairness. To a hardcore fan...sure the comments are fair. To the casual or uninformed they may think...this guy isn't that good. From a marketing perspective, you don't want the casuals or uninformed to think that, whether it's a fair assessment or not.
He's not a cheerleader, his job is to tell people what he sees with eyes more experienced than most. If something he says sounds like he's saying "this guy's not very good", well in Wilder's case, he's spot on, Wilder is just simply not very good at that level.
At this point, I'd even say Wilder barely has a punchers chance, the way Fury walked straight through his vaunted right hand and manhandled and ragdolled him.
It might be partly Fury but for me Wilder looked gassed and slow. Even the commentators saying he looked exhausted early in the fight, Wilder never gasses normally he is a small HW. I think if Fury thinks that was the best Wilder then he in for a shock in the 3rd fight - win or lose.
Wilder looked gassed and slow because Fury put a beating on him.
He looked slow because every time he threw something he was getting countered so he became hesitant. I don't think he was slow, he just tired very quickly of hitting nothing but air and getting nailed hard in return. This could have been easily negated if he had any real boxing skills or a corner that told him to throw feints and vary his shot selection and angles to make him more difficult to get counters off on.
He was gassed because every time he whiffed and Fury nailed him, his instinct was to clinch, so Fury just leaned all of his weight on him. This could also have been easily negated if he had any real boxing skills or a decent corner to instruct him to either get on his bike or let his hands go.
Every thing you describe can be very easily countered, he just doesn't have the skills or the corner to be able to do anything about it.
Wilder has already lost 17 rounds out of 19! His next costume may as well be a Clown, because that's what he will feel like after the third fight.
Considering Fury got up and pushed Wilder back and boxed rings around him in both of those rounds, there's a case to be made that he hasn't won a single round against Fury from a fighting standpoint as opposed to a scoring one.
I think that Wilder's right hand is only truly vaunted when he's moving forward and punching off the front foot. Yes, Fury got hit with Wilder's right hand but not the vaunted right hand. Fury has Wilder's number which is to keep him backing up.
He caught him with it coming forward in the very first round, before Fury had beaten the legs out of him and begun pushing him back.
LOL. .THESE WHITE SLIMEBALLS ARE ALREADY SHAKING IN THERE BOOTS BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT EVER FLUKE **** HAPPENED THAT NIGHT TO GET FURY THE STOPPAGE WONT HAPPENED AGAIN. I THINK WE CAN ALL ADMIT WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT WAS KIND OF STRANGE. IT WAS LIKE IF WILDER WAS DRUGGED BY HIS OWN CORNER MEN. PLUS BRELAND THROWING IN.THE TOWEL AGAINST EXPLICIT INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE PHUCKING BOSS IS UNHEARD Of IN BOXING PROTOCOL AND PRACTICE. Something fishy went down.
You've never heard of a boxer being unhappy his corner threw in the towel before?
You're either full of **** or Wilder's c0ck is so far down your throat that your brain is being starved of oxygen.
You're an embarrassment, grow the fcuk up.