Kovalev doesn't seem mentally engaged and, as a couple have said, he's "off" right now. If Andre Ward could hurt him and put him down then Canelo certainly can do the same or worse (as is what happened, predictably).
I am not sure if he's shot but something is wrong with him.
Wilder has a lot of limitations, and needs to work on his overall game, not make excuses like this. I love seeing his knockouts but if he didn't have that he wouldn't be very successful.
Golovkin really seems to have slowed down. I wanted to see what would happen when he hit Canelo with one of his bombs but it never really happened. Just some glancing blows and a lot of posturing.
If GGG doesn't look good tonight, and can't get to Canelo, Saunders may want to re-think his plans.
Style-wise, this was never a good match for Wlad. He got caught and hurt in their fight and he never recovered. This has happened to him from time to time. His chin fails him, not really his heart.
Wlad is a lot better now, but he still is kind of mechanical and isn't the fastest guy in the world. Corrie always had sneaky, hard, snapping punches, but as many other here have pointed out... he ran out of gas as his fights progressed.
I'm guessing, in a rematch, that Wlad would fight much more defensively, boxing primarily with his jab, and not allowing any easy openings for Sanders. Once Wlad saw Corrie getting tired he might open up and stop him in the mid to later rounds.
Maidana has a better resume than Algeri, but the issue is, Floyd had better opponents as possibilities to fight. Pacquiao didn't.
I would definitely agree with this.
As far as Khan goes, I'm sure he would beat Algieri, probably by UD. However I do not think he would knock him down 6 times lol... maybe once.
Especially with that beautiful left hand that put him down...his head snapped back real bad..
Yeah, even though we love to see a good knock out, we don't want to see anyone get permanently hurt. I was kind of thinking about that as the fight wore on and Algieri took more and more punishment.
This. A couple hard shots by Manny with a couple unanswered exchanges and missed jabs/right hands by Money could certainly give the rounds to Manny.
You know I really want to buy into this line of thinking, but here's the thing. On countless occasions we've seen Floyd make major adjustments in fights, and he has effectively figured out every person he's faced. Manny has defensive flaws that I believe would get exploited. Maybe not right away, but after the first few rounds I think that would happen.
Now I will say that, after tonight, it's obvious that Manny is not as far gone as some of us may have thought. He would have at least a slight chance against Mayweather, but I wouldn't bet on him.
Of course they thought Algieri would cause Pacquiao problems. Because for years Pac Haters have been insisting that the style and tools of an Algieri type fighter would cause Pacquiao problems.
You know I never bought into any of that. Algieri's supposed good jab lacks any authority, it's more of a nuisance than anything else, and his supposed great movement lacks purpose. His "high IQ" is not in boxing, it's in other things. I saw his last two fights and was never impressed with anything about him other than maybe his discipline and ability to get up after being hammered to the canvas.
I don't know why you had to bring up his race. Most of us that watch boxing don't care about what color someone's skin is.
And yes Chris Algieri is a world-class fighter. Manny is just one of the elite and not too many can compete with him when he's on.
Algeiri is a very nice fighter, but there's levels to this. You don't jump from being a protected hometown kid, to a belt placeholder, to Manny Pacquiao.
That said Algeiri is a nice fighter and would give loads of people problems and he should be a top tier contender. Give credit where it's due. Pacquiao totally undressed that man. Lawd half mercy Pac is nuts :hail:
Algieri actually would have a chance against most top 10 contenders. I doubt he'll hold onto his belt long, but he does have some ability and talent.
The problem for him today was just that Manny is just a special fighter, one of the top three or four of our generation. Algieri did what he could, but he just didn't have the firepower and skill necessary to truly compete with (let alone beat) the Filipino icon.
Some guys with heart don't know when to stay down. Algieri was beat up pretty badly in this fight. It probably could've been stopped even though he seemed able to continue.
I'd favor a prime Pacquiao over a lot of all-time greats at 135-140, so I would expect him to take care of Mosley. Mosley would have a puncher's chance, but his style doesn't go well against Manny's speed and crazy punches from all angles.
Just all around a pretty predictable and mildly disappointing fight. You always hope for something unexpected, but we can go ahead and say that Floyd is a level above Manny and it's unlikely that we'd have a different outcome even if both were in their primes.
I scored it 9 rounds to 3, but of the 3 rounds I gave Manny I only thought 1 of them (the 4th) was clearly in his favor.
You know I watched this fight, and Manny's chance to get back into it came in the fourth round when he landed a pretty good left that knocked Floyd back into the ropes. I thought to myself that "this is his moment." Then Floyd dominated the next round and I pretty much figured that Manny wasn't going to win.
For the life of me I cannot figure out why Manny didn't at least try to throw his left after Floyd's jab, and he completely abandoned his own double jab which seemed to work for him the few times that he did try it.
Floyd did what he had to do to win, and while it wasn't exciting it was effective.
There's zero reason for a rematch. Manny should just retire.
Everyone likes to act like Floyd can't punch. And yet every fight, that straight right puts his opponent in their place. They think twice before punching.
Quite possibly, but Floyd did land several flush right hands that Manny handled well. I think it was his overall defense and slick boxing skills that allowed him dominate the majority of the fight, and thankfully the decision lacked controversy.
I was telling a buddy of mine that if Manny throws 600-700 punches in the fight and lands 25% or so it would be competitive. Obviously that didn't happen.
I don't see why this would be much different 5-7 years ago, either. Manny probably got hit less tonight than he would have back then. Even though he took the punches that he was hit with this evening, being cracked constantly might have worn him down and enabled Mayweather to get a TKO or something, perhaps even a cut stoppage.
I'm still trying to figure out what Manny's strategy was supposed to be. Aside from the 4th round, he wasn't really able to do much of anything, and he seemed confused tbh.
You know I watched this fight, and Manny's chance to get back into it came in the fourth round when he landed a pretty good left that knocked Floyd back into the ropes. I thought to myself that "this is his moment." Then Floyd dominated the next round and I pretty much figured that Manny wasn't going to win.
For the life of me I cannot figure out why Manny didn't at least try to throw his left after Floyd's jab, and he completely abandoned his own double jab which seemed to work for him the few times that he did try it.
Floyd did what he had to do to win, and while it wasn't exciting it was effective.
There's zero reason for a rematch. Manny should just retire.
I've done a ton of thinking about this fight, and read a lot of articles on it.
A lot of folks (who think Chris might win or do well) seem to be really overrating Algieri's abilities. He's tall and rangy, and moves fairly well. His jab is above average, and he has some toughness and discipline. Nothing about this guy jumps off the page, though. He has below average power, is not a natural counter puncher (an absolute must against Pacquiao) and doesn't defend very well. Provodnikov is a slow fighter and was able to hit him.
I think we'll have a good idea after the first round or two in regard to how this fight will pan out, but I just can't see Algieri being that competitive in this fight, let alone pulling off the upset.
If Pacquiao has the killer instinct and sets down on his punches he will stop this guy. If he boxes and doesn't press as much as we think he will, he will win a UD.
My prediction is Pacquiao TKO 6 Algieri but if he (Pacquiao) ends it earlier I wouldn't be shocked.
Despite the distraction regarding his rotator cuff injury, these are the things that really bothered me about Freddy and Manny's so called strategy:
- Manny used a double jab a few times that landed. Why did he stop doing that?
- Manny had some success throwing his left right over Floyd's jab. Why did he stop doing that?
- Manny had a terribly low punch output. Why?
- Manny did not push the action much at all, which really was his best chance to make the fight competitive. Again... why?
Manny knocked Floyd back with that one left in the 4th round, but he wasn't in serious trouble.
However, that was Manny's chance to get back into the fight. I thought to myself "if any of the old Manny is left in there we're about to find out." Floyd dominated the next round, and that was pretty much it, outside of a few flurries here and there, for the rest of the fight.
Also the statistics (punches thrown/landed) don't match what some of you are saying. It was not close.
Despite the distraction regarding his rotator cuff injury, these are the things that really bothered me about Freddy and Manny's so called strategy:
- Manny used a double jab a few times that landed. Why did he stop doing that?
- Manny had some success throwing his left right over Floyd's jab. Why did he stop doing that?
- Manny had a terribly low punch output. Why?
- Manny did not push the action much at all, which really was his best chance to make the fight competitive. Again... why?
No reason for a rematch. We didn't see anything that warrants it.
Manny has faded, as much as I loved watching him in his prime... he was hell on wheels for sure, but that guy is long gone unfortunately.
If Manny couldn't fight at his best, he should have called it off.
Even with a bum shoulder, I still saw things in the fight that make me think that Mayweather would beat him again in a rematch. I just think Floyd's defense, movement, jab, etc are too much for Manny to overcome.
Castillo was the toughest fight Floyd had, because he almost lost. It makes me laugh when people point to the Maidana or Mosley fights as being tough, because Floyd got wobbled... and yet he still won between 8 and 10 rounds in each of those fights.
A draw? I really like Manny Pacquiao but I thought that, at most you could say that he maybe won 4 rounds. The 4th was the only one that he won clearly in my eyes. I personally scored it 117-111.
I don't know if Khan could sustain the pressure, accuracy, and unpredictability that it would take to seriously challenge Floyd. I am not sure if Floyd could knock him out, but I do think he'd take him to school and win easily.
But like many others have said, I guess Khan has got a good a chance as anyone lol
It was almost like in the first round when Floyd was beating him to the punch ,it all dawned on him.
Yeah that's what I thought too. Floyd was so accurate, and started landing the right. It's almost like Manny realized that he wasn't going to win.
That may or may not be the case, but that's what it looked like to me. Despite his brief moment of success in the 4th round, and a few other flurries here and there, the strategy seemed to be just to not get hurt.
My girlfriend's Filipino and she's pretty bummed over what happened, but the right guy won the fight without question.
Say what you will about Floyd running or whatever. He was throwing and landing more punches and Pacquiao couldn't do anything to stop it.