Freddy Roach's amazing gameplan..

You don't know sh*t about boxing, truly. Manny is the guy in the ring, this is no different than blaming Doc Rivers for the Clippers missing the playoffs (I know they did) because Deandre Jordan can't make a free throw. Seriously, Manny lost because he's afraid of being KO'd again, the end. It's also funny because when Manny fought Algieri we heard all this talk of Manny cutting off the ring etc... lol. And as Mike Tyson said "Everyone has a gameplan until they get punched in the mouth." Manny was punched in the mouth and the first thought that came in was "I can't rush in like I did with JMM, Floyd is much bigger, faster and stronger." Just stop, Manny got schooled worse than almost any Floyd opponent on the elite level ever has. Manny is washed up and was after JMM put him to sleep. So I shouldn't blame Roach because his gameplan sucked here. WOW. And I should blame Manny not knowing how to cut off the ring because he didn't teach himself. LOL. This is Roach job he needs to train Manny how to cut off the ring especially against movers. Yes Pacquiao is gun-shy, but Cutting off the ring won't require you to get punched in the face, you just need to close the distance against the fighter who fights backward.

I'm not just blaming Roach here, Pacquiao too but I blame it more to Roach. We all know Manny is more of brawler than a boxer, so its Roach job to tell him everything he knows about boxing. And this is Roach Gameplan and it failed miserably. That is why I blamed him. Teaching Manny how To cut off the ring is a Trainer's Job, not the fighter. Roach is the trainer here. Why do you think boxers hires trainer? To learn more about their craft. You don't know sh*t about boxing, truly. Manny is the guy in the ring, this is no different than blaming Doc Rivers for the Clippers missing the playoffs (I know they did) because Deandre Jordan can't make a free throw. Seriously, Manny lost because he's afraid of being KO'd again, the end. It's also funny because when Manny fought Algieri we heard all this talk of Manny cutting off the ring etc... lol. And as Mike Tyson said "Everyone has a gameplan until they get punched in the mouth." Manny was punched in the mouth and the first thought that came in was "I can't rush in like I did with JMM, Floyd is much bigger, faster and stronger." Just stop, Manny got schooled worse than almost any Floyd opponent on the elite level ever has. Manny is washed up and was after JMM put him to sleep.

Stop blaming Roach for Manny being unable to pull the trigger. The fact that Manny needed someone to tell him to cut off the ring from Floyd proves he's not that smart of a man. He was shocked Floyd ran. I don't know how you need to be told when Floyd is in the corner rush to his right and keep him from slipping. And everytime Floyd just went straight in like Ricky Hatton and Floyd turned him like when he KO'd Ricky, same thing the entire night. Manny did terrible in this fight, it wasn't even what Floyd was doing he's just done. I'm not just blaming Roach here, Pacquiao too but I blame it more to Roach. We all know Manny is more of brawler than a boxer, so its Roach job to tell him everything he knows about boxing. And this is Roach Gameplan and it failed miserably. That is why I blamed him. Teaching Manny how To cut off the ring is a Trainer's Job, not the fighter. Roach is the trainer here. Why do you think boxers hires trainer? To learn more about their craft.

What surprised me is how Maidana just ate whatever Floyd threw with no problem and Pac was looking shaky at times. That's cuz Maidana is a boss. He ate Floyd's shots lIke skittles compared to Pac

But his ego won't let him hang em up and continues to use Manny for his own selfish ends. He fired Ariza because of jealousy, he got insecure that he was getting too much attention for Pac's success :nonono: Ariza had a good nutritionist Teri Tom, Pac looked soft, he rehydrated 152 ffs, absolute shambles. It's still not his fault Manny can't pull the trigger. You Pac fans are embarrassing as hell. The ONLY reason Manny is where he is now is because of Roach and now that Manny got schooled it's Roachs fault? Floyd said it best, it's only me and him in the ring /end thread.

I just think Roach knew it was over from the start like nearly everyone else who knows boxing. That and well... he's old with Parkisons FFS, no way he's the same trainer he was even 5 years ago. But his ego won't let him hang em up and continues to use Manny for his own selfish ends. He fired Ariza because of jealousy, he got insecure that he was getting too much attention for Pac's success :nonono: Ariza had a good nutritionist Teri Tom, Pac looked soft, he rehydrated 152 ffs, absolute shambles.

He thought Floyd would leave his legs at the big boy mansion

funny thing is roach was talkin alot pre fight, but once the fight had started, he went quite, there was no fire in him in contrast floyd snr was shouting down floyd and giving him instructions it was clear which side wanted the win more I just think Roach knew it was over from the start like nearly everyone else who knows boxing. That and well... he's old with Parkisons FFS, no way he's the same trainer he was even 5 years ago.

Look at the Manny fans blaming Arum and Roach because Manny lost. I'm sorry, it's only two guys in the ring. Roach gets credit and he should deserve some blame and his fault in this fight was knowing it was over after the first round like we all did. No amount of yelling or instruction is going to take fear out of your fighter. Manny was afraid of being KO'd by that straight right hand, that's it. Seriously, why are guys like Maidana, Cotto, Guerrero never scared of Floyds power? They respected it, but no one was scared like Manny was. Before you tell me he was afraid of Floyd, he wasn't. He's afraid of being put to sleep again and within 30 seconds that feeling went right to his head. Manny was visibly a division smaller than Floyd, he just looked like a JWW fighting a WW. These other guys are bigger than Floyd, if not taller, they can handle the punches better and more importantly they can bully Floyd on the ropes. Manny can't fight on the inside for sh*t and doesn't have the strength or ability to bully Floyd around. This outcome really isn't that surprising.

funny thing is roach was talkin alot pre fight, but once the fight had started, he went quite, there was no fire in him in contrast floyd snr was shouting down floyd and giving him instructions it was clear which side wanted the win more yea did roach even say anything in the corner?

Of course, that is one of the reason. Add to that is the effect of Marquez Ko. Pacquiao is more cautious now and don't want to get knockout again. But still this is Roach gameplan. He should have teach Pacquiao how to properly cut off the ring especially for this fight. Look at Kovalev vs Hopkins. If Pacquiao trap Mayweather in all corner of the ring like what Kovalev did to Hopkins. He could have won the fight through ring generalship alone. I still respect Roach, he made Manny into ATG. I'm just dissappointed with him in this fight. Stop blaming Roach for Manny being unable to pull the trigger. The fact that Manny needed someone to tell him to cut off the ring from Floyd proves he's not that smart of a man. He was shocked Floyd ran. I don't know how you need to be told when Floyd is in the corner rush to his right and keep him from slipping. And everytime Floyd just went straight in like Ricky Hatton and Floyd turned him like when he KO'd Ricky, same thing the entire night. Manny did terrible in this fight, it wasn't even what Floyd was doing he's just done.

funny thing is roach was talkin alot pre fight, but once the fight had started, he went quite, there was no fire in him in contrast floyd snr was shouting down floyd and giving him instructions it was clear which side wanted the win more

The fight was over once Pacquiao wanted to throw his first left hand and was countered. Their gameplan was based on hopes that Floyd was slower than them and had no plan B.

Whatever the sick bastard had planned was thrown out the window after a sharp counter right hand touched Pac midway through the first round...fight was over at that point!! you saw the same thing i did!

Manny just doesn't have the length to beat Floyd. The moment they went to touch gloves it looked like Floyd had won. In fact the 4th round shocked me and lead me to believe that Pac had more of a chance than he really Did. Leading up to this fight I kept going back to the Mosley/Pac fight and just remembering how average he looked When Mosley kept moving. Manny doesn't have an answer for fighters who run from him. He couldn't even put a beaten Cotto away until late. One thing I will say is 5 years ago Manny would have been more reckless and tried more to Leap at Floyd. That Marquez KO made him more gun shy. Whether that would have won him another round is up for debate.

Freddie sucks, he should have implemented the style Pac used with Oscar, death by a thousand lead left hands. Even Floyd Sr said Pacquiao trained himself to fight, Roach didn't teach Pac anything. Ariza is spot on about Roach and how he ruined Pac and left him hanging and clueless Ariza seems more upset that Pacquaio lost than Roach , I guess Roach must know it was all about the pay check and not winning

His plan was to avoid mayweathers right hand and land countershots I think. I don't think roach expected mayweather to clinch and run around like he did. I was shocked that manny didn't go for it and just say, "**** it all." Fight like a wildman like maidana did. But whatever, screw this fight.

Whatever the sick bastard had planned was thrown out the window after a sharp counter right hand touched Pac midway through the first round...fight was over at that point!! He has been hit with sharp counters before and then Manny would come back stronger. Sure, does not help to get hit but a punch against Manny was never enough to deter Manny. They had a game plan and stuck to it. It was a close fight. Except for a couple of solid rounds by Manny, both of them did very little.

In between rounds Roach offered nothing. I felt sorry for Pac but not his fans.

Whatever the sick bastard had planned was thrown out the window after a sharp counter right hand touched Pac midway through the first round...fight was over at that point!!