Tyson's footwork was beautiful in his prime for the kind of fighter he was. That said, he was more about cutting off the ring and distributing power into his shots than he was about finesse.
Could he have danced around the ring? Probably. Would he ever want to given his physical make-up? Hell no.
For those of you who keep telling him to move away, I'm not trying to insult you, but you just don't get it. As an Ohio native (currently residing in WV for the time being), I've had the opportunity to see first hand how big of a deal he is in Youngstown, and believe me when I say that the support he receives from his community is more like that of an NFL team than a fighter.
Would it be "smart" to move somewhere else? Probably, but that's his home and those are his people, so I not only respect but I also admire his choice to stay there. From an outside perspective, it's easy to sit back and say what someone should do, but when you're the guy leaving the hometown and people that helped make you who you are, it's completely different.
I got Manny stopping Floyd, dude hits too hard and will hit Mayweather some time or another cleanly.
This is another example of people being way too high on a guy on the basis of him being exciting to watch, and completely ignoring what boxing is all about. Unless Mayweather has declined significantly from a physical standpoint, Manny will get the **** beat out of him. How hard he hits and how often he hits is irrelevant because he's fighting a very skilled technician and great defensive fighter at a reach disadvantage.
LMAO at people suggesting Floyd could KO Pac. bahahah
I remember hearing everything this guy is saying leading up to Tyson-Holyfield I. I told everyone exactly what was going to happen to Tyson, but they of course ignored me and continued focusing on how hard each guy hits like it actually matters.
My last post of the thread: Anyone who knows boxing and has a set of eyes can see that a prime Roy is a superior athlete and fighter to Calzaghe, so I won't waste any more of my time with this ridiculous argument.
A black person who behaves in a subservient manner towards whites..basically an ass kisser..
In otherwords ladies and gentlemen, it's someone who doesn't act like a complete bone headed thug.
So if a black man backs up a white man who he believes is in the right over another black man who is a borderline retard, that makes him an Uncle Tom?
Dude, you're wasting your time. TS is a moron.
Just out of curiosity was Khan-McCloskey on PPV in the U.K? If so, how much did it sell?
And, how many fans were in attendance
I can't provide PPV numbers, but from what I heard, McCloskey alone brought something like 6k fans, so that may not be a very fair representation of Khan's popularity.
By Uncle Tom do you mean that Nazim and Shane don't live a stereotypical Black Ghetto lifestyle that has set your race back for generations and kept so many of your race in poverty?
Wow there is no hope for your race as long as people like you are alive and breathing.
Crossed the line a bit with your last sentence, but I agree with the overarching point. Some African Americans (and I use that terminology not to be PC, but because it really only seems like a big issue in America) seem to think that we're living in a world where open resistance against normal society is necessary.
I mean seriously, what's wrong with speaking proper english, sending your kids to good schools, advancing in your career, and ultimately just trying to make a nice/safe life for both yourself and your family? If that makes someone a sellout, then I'd hate to be one of the morons buying in, if you get my meaning.
Of course he wouldnt do that to someone who could defend himself. I knew this one dude who used to brag about how he would knock "Mexicans" out until one day he tried that **** and he said the dude whistled and mad dudes came out and he had to run for his life lol.
Dude, if I had a dime for every time I'd seen some "hard" thug come off the street into a gym and get KTFO, I'd be a millionaire.
Joe would have schooled prime jones.
the only difference between prime and current jones is his chin, and joe outboxed him anyway
I thought at first that TS was a troll, because no one could be stupid enough to elevate Joe Calzaghe to anything resembling a respectable level, and then I read this post.
Joe Calzaghe fought no one his entire career until he beat up on two guys that were so far past their prime that it was borderline ridiculous. He's an overrated clown, and honestly one of the big jokes in the history of championship level boxing. Prime Roy not only beats him, he clowns him.
Its sad how someone as talented as 'Jones will be remembered for the following
1. Fighting Civil servants during his prime
2. Having the worst Chin in the history of boxing
3. Losing disgracefully every time he fought someone above C level
4. Being a steroid cheater
1.) Calzaghe never fought anybody at all until they were completely shot, at least Roy has a W over the 93 version of Hopkins
2.) If you think Roy has the worst chin in the history of boxing, then you haven't watched a lot of boxing. Is his chin great? Not at all, but worst ever is LMFAO worthy.
3.) James Toney and 93 Hopkins > Anyone Calzaghe has ever fought, so what letter grade do the guys on his resume get? D? F?
I think this fight could be interesting because there's multiple scenarios that could play out on any given night. Here's two I consider most likely:
1.) Pac-Man swarms Mayweather in his typical fashion, starting fast and consistently applying pressure and landing quality shots. Given the right circumstances, I don't think an early KD for Pac is all that impossible given how slow of a starter Money usually is. The question is, could he do what no one else has and build on that in route to a KO, because the fact of the matter is, the fight is going to favor Mayweather the longer it goes on.
2.) Mayweather manages to stay solid enough defensively and conservative enough offensively to escape any serious trouble in the first 3-4 rounds before he inevitably figures Pac's timing out and starts popping him with jabs and straights like they're going out of style. If this happens, I think the only question will be whether Mayweather wins by KO or by decision, neither of which I think is unlikely. After all, who's to say that Pacquiao won't get stupid in the last few rounds if he's down big and get KO'd? It wouldn't be the first time someone's done that against Money.
My prediction: I love Pac-Man to death and I would like nothing more than to see him knock Money on his ass, that said, there's a lot working against him from a match-up standpoint. If this fight makes it past the 4th round (which it probably will), you might as well shut the TV off, because Mayweather's won.
OK, JMM appeared to do far better against Mayweather when he applied pressure than when he gave Floyd distance and tried to "box" with him and counter him. That is about as unbiased and observationally based as I could put it.
What were Floyd's toughest moments in recent fights?
Hatton, pressured him for most of the fight and made him uncomfortable..sure he got KO'd in the 10th but had he tried to box with Floyd, he'd be KO'd in 4 rds.
DLH, pressured Floyd against the ropes for a majority of the fight and Floyd declined a rematch.
Mosley tried to box with Floyd and got it handed to him after the 2nd rd.
Pac is the guy that beat the breaks off of Hatton and DLH..KO of the year and quittage.
If Floyd can't se where the punches are coming from how can he block all of them? Pac throws punches in bunches usually, not a simple 1-2 as most boxers do. His unorthodoxy is what makes him hard to solve, same as other unorthodox boxers (not the stance but the style). Sure Floyd will counter him and possibly stun him but I guarantee you that Pac will hit Floyd more than any other fighter in Floyd's career ever has.....by far.
Yeah, a few problems with this post:
1.) Hatton only "pressured" Floyd if you consider throwing your body into someone and rabbit punching them continuously "pressure".
2.) DLH didn't pressure Floyd either, he fed into his style perfectly and got popped in the face all night long. There wasn't a rematch because to anyone who watched the fight, it was completely lop-sided and probably shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Khan/Morales: Total Punches landed/thrown against Maidana
Landed: 430
Thrown:1131
38%
Total Power Punches
Landed: 296
Thrown: 670
44%
Maidana = Punching bag
I thought Khan made that pretty evident, and I didn't even see the numbers until now. It seemed like both guys were landing damn near everything they threw at him, and now I see that they pretty much did.
People are still talking about this fight? I mean really, what is there to discuss? Whether or not you agree with the stoppage, two things were clear to any unbiased observer:
1.) Amir Khan was going to win that fight, most likely by KO.
2.) Paul McCloskey does not belong in the ring with a fighter of AK's caliber.
So I ask you, what is there to discuss? Six rounds in, I saw every bit of that fight that I needed to, and I don't really see how anyone could feel any different.
I was thinking about Marquez, Vasquez, Barrera, & Morales and there's an obvious difference between who they were before and after their legendary fights. As good as Barrera and Morales looked after their encounters, they were nothing compared to the monsters they once were. Vasquez and Marquez seem to be shadows of their former selves.
can't imagine how their career would have gone without those wars, but then again they did give us some of the best fights in boxing history.
Thoughts?
My thoughts on this have always been more or less the same. Even the best fighters only have so many big fights in them, and while some guys have been able to defy the odds, there's a pretty clearly defined ball park of how many times a guy can produce at the absolute top level before he starts to decline.
That said, there's an intangible element that comes with being a champion whether it be past or current that will always give certain guys the capability of doing amazing things in the right situations.
There's a difference between saying i want to be the youngest world champ and i will.
Do you ever watch politicians on TV? All of them say "And when I'm your senator/representative/president/whatever". It's meant to be a sign of confidence.
If SRL was so good, and it was supposed to be such a good era, how come Floyd senior isnt that impressed with SRL haven even fought him? He said Flloyd would beat him.
Now you are going to say Floyd senior would say that wont you? Saying SRL would beat Pacs opponents as good as Pac is an OPINION. I deal with facts. Pac is far more dominant than SRL.
Good for Floyd senior, no one gives a **** what he has to say. Fact is, Pacquiao hasn't beaten a single opponent on the level of Duran, Hearns, or Hagler. The only way he could possibly get that distinction is if he were to beat Mayweather, and even that's debatable.
But to address your point about his jab missing a lot and being "pathetic": Circa 2011 Judah is pretty much a joke all around outside of his few remaining physical attributes.