It looks like recently that they aren't doing PPVs without at least one legit superstar in the main event. If not that, two budding superstars with loyal fanbases of considerable size. Right now, Santa Cruz and Tank don't fit into either one those.
I would like to see that fight though. I wonder how Davis would counteract Santa Cruz' craftiness and if Leo would remain offensive minded after feeling Gervonta's body attack.
I haven't seen anything the junior Eubank does that would trouble Alvarez. The only time I saw him was that ugly, hard to watch fight that he lost to Groves. If he's expanded his game since then, maybe he can make it competitive for a handful of rounds against Canelo but I wouldn't use the Degale performance as a measuring stick.
It'll probably be an entertaining, competitive display of top level skill and talent with one fighter seperating himself by performing just a little bit better in one or two rounds. At the match's end, everyone watching will say either: 1) that one fighter just barely beat the other; 2) it's a toss-up and it can go either way; or 3) a draw wouldn't be a surprise. But when the cards are read (and here's my prediciton)...the judges will all have Canelo winning 8 Rounds or more.
Joyce knocks out ortiz.
Ehh. I'm not the Wilder fan that a lot of folks on here are but it took until late for him to finish Ortiz that fight. Ortiz even looked decent that fight too. Is Joyce a better finisher/knockout artist than Wilder? I'm guessing No based on competition alone. I haven't seen Joe Joyce fight so maybe you know something that I don't.
Ortiz is getting up there in age but hasn't looked/fought old yet to me. He's not as good as the Top 3 guys but he's still very good. I think he can maintain his current form until he's at least 42. Unless we get a heavyweight version of Loma that is fighting champions right away, I don't think ANY heavyweight with only 7 fights is going to beat Luis Ortiz anytime soon.
33 years old fighter not ready for a 40 years old fighter. Jesus.
I thought the same thing when I first read the tweet in the thread starter. Like, 'Damn, how long are they planning on waiting? Ortiz isn't young.'. But I think Abel means that Joyce is not as proven as Luis Ortiz and needs at least two wins worthy of a feather in his cap before he would confidently match him against Ortiz. Not that Luis Ortiz is overall more physically talented at this point.
With Ortiz turning 40 soon, hopefully this potential bout takes place before the end of next summer. If Ortiz is their goal, he should be Joyce's 10th or 11th fight.
I've never seen Joe Joyce fight but if he impresses against Stiverne, I'd like to see him against someone like Kownacki.
Unless Kiltschko has a serious desire to fight Tyson Fury again I don't think he should be the one pushing for their fight's outcome to be reclassified. And I'm guessing that he would say their fight should be under the 2 Year suspension time window for the failed test after the Fury-Hammer fight. Making that case is different than Hammer who is saying that their result would have been different if Fury was clean. Klitschko would just be saying that Tyson Fury should not have been eligible to fight, not that Fury can't beat him without enhancements. I wouldn't want to see Klitschko coming off like that.
I get what you're saying and I can picture it too but Spence isn't stiff and one dimensional. He's athletic and can win more than one way. Him and Manny wouldn't be Fury VS Wilder. If Manny keeps moving then it will be an interesting fight but we all have seen many an instance (tonight included) when the person who wants to stick and move feels their opponent's power early and the original strategy gets changed to trying not to get KO'd.
No he didn't. He should have went out on his shield.
Yeah, I would have liked to see him press/push more in spots. He had a couple of short lived spots of success. But be real man, Mikey isn't old and this PPV put him on a lot of fans' radars. He gained as far as making his name known to the casual boxing fan. Why would he go all out and risk setting himself back with recovery from a fight that he was clearly overmatched in? He played it smart. He avoided the KO, went the distance, and can still make major noise at lighter weights. All that and no one will blame him for this loss.
This bum couldn’t knock down or ok a feather weigh dude did what he was posed to do this kid will be a Adrian broner soon.
Now Mikey who's won belts in four or five divisions and who anyone can see his top level fundamentals and boxing mind, if they watch him, is nothing special? That's what you're saying?
Dammit man. Eleider, signed an effed up deal to say the least. I hope he didn't make any big purchases after signing due to anticipating money he thought was coming down the road.
Not just Alvarez, I guarantee DAZN has a out clause for Canelo deal as well none of it is Guaranteed in the sport of boxing
Well Canelo is already rich and uber famous in his native country as well as being recognizable to a lot of casual sports fans outside of Mexico so he'll be alright even if the DAZN deal becomes void. His opportunities to make good money will continue well after he stops boxing. But for guys like Eleider Alvarez, this is a bad sign if his was a normal kind of contract. He's gotta make them put a buyout clause in that thing if they have the option to drop out if/when he loses.
My interest would be high and my aggravation eased if it happens before the end of 2020. I'm a fan of both fighters but I blame Joshua for the stalling and letting Fury vs Wilder become the heavyweight fight that everyone wants to see the most. I don't have any inside information or anything but with him being the man in the division right now and having the popularity he has, I can't see Joshua not being able to have a bout made against any opponent that he wants. I have a feeling Joshua is waiting for Wilder to lose and not look competitive while doing it before he commits to fight him. It'll give him more power when negotiatiing the purse split and fight location.
I've only seen Hurd like two or three times. If he reminds you of Antonio because he constantly comes forward, doesn't pay much attention to defense, doesn't have (or chooses not to use) the best footwork, doesn't vary his attacks all that often, and somehow overwhelms everyone with his size and strength then okay. I would say that Jarrett Hurd doesn't completely throw head movement and anything resembling defense out the window the way I've seen Margarito do. And Hurd doesn't have the fight stopping ability that Margarito did, at least not that I've seen yet. Margarito could end the night at anytime in devastating fashion. Hurd does it in more of a Walk You Down fashion.
You think a promoter would agree to that ?
Personally win and you got it or lose and fugh off
Just don’t see a greedy promoter saying yes to a buyout
Hmm. Still a shame. Those two Krusher fights are the biggest Alvarez will ever get so I don't even know if he can get something close to what was in that contract in his next six or seven fights without having the belt.
Speaking of greedy promoters...If I ever get enough money and nerve to start a promotion/events outfit. I'll book the venues and scout talent. When it comes time to talk signing lines, I'll bring you along. I ain't got the heart to make someone those kind of offers with a straight face.
All this resume talk is nonsense. Resumes are merely names and records. I mean who do you think would be favored in these matchups. Just go by what you've seen in the ring, which obviously incorporates everything a resume does plus the fighter's skillset.
Seriously. Every back and forth I've read on here is at least 85% about who people have fought and very little about breakdowns about how fighters match up right now and what strategies they should employ. It's like listening to Stephen A and Skip when they couldn't go one present day topic without talking about Jordan or Brett Favre. That resume argument is for comparing or rating an entire career, like when you're ranking best fighters of a decade or generation. I don't think how guys fared against uncommon opponents from 3+ years ago is going to be the deciding factor in any big time matchup.
Yeah, I lost quite a bit of enthusiasm for Munguia when he didn't finish Liam Smith. Liam is a good pro and all but I thought Jaime should have ended that early. Similar to tonight in that, he landed a bunch of hard shots but didn't get the opponent out of there. I'm starting ot think those KO numbers were mainly due to fight so-so competition. His defense leaves a lot to be desired but I'm not sure if he seemingly ignores defending because he isn't getting hurt or if he's just stubborn.
It was Thurman's first fight in quite some time and it was due to injury not by choice. Who knows how long he was able to train at full clip. I gotta see him two more times before I judge him. He needs to tighten up his defense (get his timing back) and be a touch or two more active as far as throwing punches (get in better shape so he can have an higher output).
If Josesito gets another fight or two against anyone who is Top 5 anytime soon because of this fight, I'm happy for him getting a chance to be on the big stage again and get paid more than he normally would. But he's crazy if he thinks he actually has a chance to beat anyone on that level or that he can duplicate that kind of performance against a mid-season form (couldn't think of another way to put it) Keith Thurman.
One Time probably came down a little on most folks' best in the division and/or P4P lists after tonight. At worst he was expected to win an highlight reel unanimous decision with no big moments from Lopez' side. It looked like he was on the way toward finishing Josesito inside of 6 or 7 rounds after that knockdown. For some reason, Keith decided to turn down the aggression and coast (jab and circle for most of the round and only throw combinations when there's a glaring opportunity) the rest of the way. I've seen him do this successfully before but that's when he was active and without rust. All the pulling straight back and dancing with his hands down caught up to him tonight. He was a tick too slow too many times.
He has work to do before he fights anyone elite. Hopefully he gets back in there before the end of this spring. I think he needs three more fights this year.
I don't know what I liked more, the knockdowns or his celebration. I'm still smiling.
He shouldn't have celebrated like that it was disrespectful he will get what's coming to him and when he's on the canvas I wish someone does the same to him.
Nah, you're right. I thought it was excessive and not a genuine, emotional reaction type of celebration considering it was obvious for some rounds that he (Lopez) was going to win and it was just a matter of when. The backflip part was fine. Ya know, fairly impressive display of athleticism and strength. I think he only took one step into it, so a damn near standing backflip and he stuck the landing. The super Effed Up part was the standing over Magdaleno, looking down at him, and then swinging for the fences. That bit was almost any negative adjective you can think of. Either way, at the very least, Teofimo Lopez has created more of a following. Of course, based on what you and others have posted, 70+ percent of the new attention that he now has will be fans that want to see him lose.
The only reason I was laughing at it all (and I laughed on and off for a few minutes) was because it was such an absurd sequence all around. I mean, Magdaleno motions to Lopez to bring the fight to him after getting dazed early in what was ultimately the last round of a fight he was getting thoroughly whooped in. He, of course, gets finished in highlight reel fashion shortly thereafter. And then Lopez celebrates like he pulled a Buster Douglas-esque upset and even celebrates over his fallen opponent as if Magdaleno had created bad blood by talking pre-fight trash on a Conor McGregor type of scale. And to top it off, one of Magdaleno's corner guys had to be held back from physically going after Lopez because Teofimo didn't even SortaKinda try to stay away from Magdaleno's corner as he trotted multiple victory laps around the ring. As low class as Lopez was, the whole thing was too funny.
Thank goodness Thomas Ward was on while I was awake. First time that I've seen him. He put on an impressive performance. High level fundamentals with some athleticism. He got a little careless/sloppy at points in the 9th and 10th but I'll chart that up to him taking risks out of boredom because Hernandez gave him little to no challenge.
I fell asleep going back and forth between the SHOBox main event and the Brant fight on ESPN. I wasn't impressed with Fox or Ergashev. I'd be highly surprised to hear from either one again.
Horrible decision! Dirrell hitting low all night, had nothing left, was losing the fight. Feel sorry for the turc.
I don't think it was quite that night and day. I wouldn't argue with either opinion of who was winning, a case can be made for both fighters up to that point. I thought it was close. I don't know what the one judge that had Yildirim ahead was watching. His card was 98-92. Neither Dirrell nor Yildirim was running away with it, no matter who you had winning.
What stood out the most to me though was how flat footed Dirrell chose to fight. He finally used his legs a little in the last round before the stoppage. And he only did it then to protect the gashed side of his face. He could've won easily if he controlled the distance with his feet and fought on the outside. The only chance Yildirim had was to get inside. It's frustrating to watch fighters who have more overall game than their opponent limit themselves and fight in tight all night especially when it's helping their opponent more than it is them.
Brant established himself as the #1 middleweight in the world tonight. He staked his claim to the middleweight throne when he whooped Murata, and tonight he made it clear. Look for Canelo to duck Brant for the next 5 years.
You like Brant that much? I mean, he fought a so-so fighter and it took 11 rounds to finish him. He's alright and all but if he gets in there with Canelo or anyone with above average offense, he's gonna get lit up. Did you see how he leans forward before he throws every punch? You don't think that would get exploited in a major way by better opposition? As far as defense, Brant has good footwork but I don't remember him dodging or blocking a whole lot. Now maybe it was a matter of him doing what that level of opponent required but if that's his normal style his eye will be way worse than what it was last night if he does that against prime opposition.
Be interesting to see the landed stats as Ortiz seemed to take a lot of shots.
Good enough overall performance from Ortiz. But like you said, his defense was below average at times. He was having problems blocking or avoiding Hammer's counter straight right all night. I think that's what stopped him from trying harder for a KO.
Along with the defensive holes the other thing I would put under Needs Improvement for Ortiz is his pace/activity level. It was clear early on that Hammer wasn't going to initiate anything. I would've liked to see Ortiz be more consisitent with his offense. He kept the jab pumping but there were too many stretches (an entire round at least twice) when he wasn't letting the combinations go or throwing anything with any power.
If your BOTH down to throw down I can actually make you a dope commercial to get the boxingscene community to part with their money easier. Id edit out a few seconds of certain footage that makes it look like a brutal war,then Id add captions & even 3d characters representing both of you,I got like no exaggeration more than 50k in software & top of the line drawing tablet,studio rig etc. No bs I would do it for fun practice.
Wait. You have $50k worth of studio equipment and you're talking about practice? So you're an amateur that's still learning yet you invested that much so far? Shucks! They can't ever say that you don't take your hobbies seriously.
Just gotta say that I'm happy for Takeshi Inoue. He definitely gained respect, fans, and a boost in future pay after tonight's fight (the pay part is all my opinion, of course). If I was him, I'd stay away from fighting Golden Boy prospects on DAZN programs for a while though in the event that it goes to the judges again.
Im not trying to be an instigator but im sure you two can make a decent amount of dough to fight like chollo vista/ggg gloveking did. Speaking of which I never did end up seeing that fight, is there anyone reading this who can tell me who won & is the vid public now or still behind paywall?
I'm not trying to instigate either but if you had to bet a $25 7-Eleven gift card on it, which BoxingScene user would you pick? Stomps or Dynamite?
Broner's days as an attraction are winding down? I thought they were already gone. After his performance against Adrian Granados, I thought he was halfway there. After getting schooled from beginning to end by Mikey Garcia without one bright moment worth remembering, I felt he was all the way done being a big time draw.
I think he still has talent he just has to change the way he fights. He won't do it but if he was more active, tried to create his own offense instead of only punching when countering, and used some footwork for both offensive and defensive purposes instead of being so flat-footed he might get somewhere near the top of a weight class again.
Since Gervonta Davis is on the rise and they are cool with each other, maybe he can hang on Gervonta's coattails like he did for so long with Floyd. Stay relevant that way.