Abel Sanchez: "Joe Joyce isn't ready for Luis Ortiz"

Abel Sanchez always afraid of elite Southpaws. His gameplan for Usyk was brilliant Abel to Gassiev: "Try and punch him. Keep walking forward and try to punch him." Abel Sanchez is the most overrated trainer in all of boxing. Complete fraud. He is a glorified conditioning coach, nothing more. He looks like my avi and is somehow sleazier. Also, JOE JOYCE YUNG DOE. He just a boy, leave him alone!!! Pathetic. DisAbel can't even prepare his guy for a fight with a geriatric with bad medical conditions, what does that say about him? "Gassiev, walk forward and get lit up like a scrub for 12 rounds" "GGG, walk forward and head hunt unsuccessfully for 12 rounds while you get lit up. Just keep walking forward and swinging them windmills"

Joyce knocks out ortiz. Ehh. I'm not the Wilder fan that a lot of folks on here are but it took until late for him to finish Ortiz that fight. Ortiz even looked decent that fight too. Is Joyce a better finisher/knockout artist than Wilder? I'm guessing No based on competition alone. I haven't seen Joe Joyce fight so maybe you know something that I don't. Ortiz is getting up there in age but hasn't looked/fought old yet to me. He's not as good as the Top 3 guys but he's still very good. I think he can maintain his current form until he's at least 42. Unless we get a heavyweight version of Loma that is fighting champions right away, I don't think ANY heavyweight with only 7 fights is going to beat Luis Ortiz anytime soon.

33 years old fighter not ready for a 40 years old fighter. Jesus. I thought the same thing when I first read the tweet in the thread starter. Like, 'Damn, how long are they planning on waiting? Ortiz isn't young.'. But I think Abel means that Joyce is not as proven as Luis Ortiz and needs at least two wins worthy of a feather in his cap before he would confidently match him against Ortiz. Not that Luis Ortiz is overall more physically talented at this point. With Ortiz turning 40 soon, hopefully this potential bout takes place before the end of next summer. If Ortiz is their goal, he should be Joyce's 10th or 11th fight. I've never seen Joe Joyce fight but if he impresses against Stiverne, I'd like to see him against someone like Kownacki.

They need Ortiz to be 50.

If Joyce managed to beat Ortiz it would be a surprise, I get it. It would be a big surprise if Joyce made any real noise at heavyweight. It would take a whole series of surprises but you gotta start somewhere and you better start soon.

I'd say Joyce is just about ready for a shot, overweight, undertrained Stiverne...just

Joyce hasn't had a true step up fight yet. And washed up Stiverne doesn't really count.

33 years old fighter not ready for a 40 years old fighter. Jesus.

That sounds reasonable.

I wish Usyk handlers would take the same approach in the Heavyweight division

Nah fr tho Szpilka Martin/Ruiz Jr Ortiz That's a good plan Ruiz Jr. is an awful matchup for Joyce.

I agree on that.

Stiverne Charr Bryan

It's true. There are at least a couple of levels between the likes of Kiladze and Ortiz. Stiverne is a good step-up, provided he turns up fighting fit, and they could do another fight or two like that before facing Ortiz at the end of the year. That would still be a really brisk pace of development

Nah fr tho Szpilka Martin/Ruiz Jr Ortiz That's a good plan

Stiverne Stiverne 2 Stiverne 3 Ortiz

I think 2 or 3 fights then he should. Maybe at the end of the year. There's no reason why he can't be fighting 3-4 times a year at this stage and get up to the big fights by next year at the latest.

Stiverne and then someone like Kauffman before the Ortiz fight? Joyce doesn't have much time to waste with his age. I think that would be a solid plan before getting to Ortiz.