...if Wilder loses to Fury the second time around?
I CERTAINLY AM NOT!
The sooner this Wilder character loses his belt the better it is for me.
Why, because Fury vs Joshua would then be the fight to make.
Wilder will then be forced to fight the fight casuals have long want to see.
There is Whyte, Kownacki, Usyk and many others,
instead of the Arreola and Stiverne's of the division.
It would be a massive win win for fans if Wilder loses his next fight.
Better believe it.
I think AJ defeats Wilder comfortably in a fight which may well expose Wilder even more than he was exposed by Fury. I would prefer to see AJ vs Fury and Wilder fight Whyte, Miller or Povetkin. That said, if and when this fight does get made, I won't be complaining about it.
Depending on the circumstances I would still like AJ to fight Both regardless.
I can’t see wilder losing and falling directly outside the top5 as a result.
Therefore I will still want AJ to fight them both, alongside Miller, Whyte again, Ortiz and potentially Usyk for me. Others like Joyce and Pulev are potentials at the moment but not a must just yet for me; although I now mandatories might dictate otherwise st some point.
My interest would be high and my aggravation eased if it happens before the end of 2020. I'm a fan of both fighters but I blame Joshua for the stalling and letting Fury vs Wilder become the heavyweight fight that everyone wants to see the most. I don't have any inside information or anything but with him being the man in the division right now and having the popularity he has, I can't see Joshua not being able to have a bout made against any opponent that he wants. I have a feeling Joshua is waiting for Wilder to lose and not look competitive while doing it before he commits to fight him. It'll give him more power when negotiatiing the purse split and fight location.
So if AJ loses to Miller and Wilder wins would you feel the same?
If AJ loses why would I be interested?
Strangely enough, that's probably the only scenario where the fight has better chances of happening.
Hearn and his fighters are conscientious being B-sides.
Wilder has no conscience.
...if Wilder loses to Fury the second time around?
I CERTAINLY AM NOT!
The sooner this Wilder character loses his belt the better it is for me.
Why, because Fury vs Joshua would then be the fight to make.
Wilder will then be forced to fight the fight casuals have long want to see.
There is Whyte, Kownacki, Usyk and many others,
instead of the Arreola and Stiverne's of the division.
It would be a massive win win for fans if Wilder loses his next fight.
Better believe it.
So if AJ loses to Miller and Wilder wins would you feel the same?
We would see Fury trilogy fight and AJ would be irrelevant for another year
You think the number one fighter and holder of most of the belts is irrelevant because:
- You don't like him
- You like two other guys who are going to fight each other
Child or fool? There aren't any other options available to you.
Joshua and Wilder is the fight to make in the HW division. Until they fight each other, everything else they do is irrelevant.
Fury is a tricky fighter. I can see Wilder losing on points but not by much.
I would still be interested.
IF either Wilder or Joshua lose to Fury or "Baby" in their proposed next fights...
(Then they both have unfinished business & rematches should happen, IMO)
Fury beats Wilder in the rematch & AJ wins Miller... Then match them up.
(Wilder beats Fury & Miller beats AJ... Then match them up.)
Basically winners Vs. WINNERS.
Nope it bores me now. It would be like getting Mayweather/Pacman 5 years down the line. They had a chance to bring the HW back to prominence but their egos were too big for it. Phuck them all, I hope they both get KTFO next.
Of Course! Styles make fights. They both will lose eventually it is not like either is unbeatable or have styles that can't be beat they both will Suffer Defeats FOR SURE real soon and that is OK. You lose, you get back up work your way back to the top Like Lennox Lewis and other great have done :dunno:
Lennox was stopped by Oliver McCall that did not end his career because he suffered his 1st Defeat :nonono:
I see a triology for Wilder v Fury
Casuals are not even that interested in the rematch, let alone a trilogy.
Fans want variety, especially in a division with lots of choices coming out of KO wins, Kownacki, Whyte, Miller, Breazeale, AJ, etc.
Rematches are a waste of time for me. I've already seen how a fight between 2 fighters went. As opposed to always wondering how fighter A will do against fighter B. Life is too short wasting time with repeating fights.
If Wilder gets outboxed by Fury and loses a decision, then yes, I would still like to see Wilder vs Joshua before we get Joshua-Fury.
But, Fury has looked much better after each training camp. This next training camp will be his 4th (and most intense of his comeback). If Fury comes out of his next training camp in much better shape than he did before, I think it's in the realm of possibility that he stops Wilder. In which case, I don't want to see Wilder fight Joshua.
If Wilder beats Fury, and the event does what people think it does, Joshua is ****ed!
To hell with that "it has to be in the UK" and "here's 40% as a fee" BS; it'll be 50/50, from T-Mobile Arena, on SHOPPV/Sky Box Office and a big FU to that $50m guarantee, or be ready to fight Pulev in ****ing Bulgaria. lol.
If Wilder beats Fury then yeah, maybe it does become a 50/50 split but if that's the case and it's a $100m fight then AJ is still walking away with $50m. So what are you talking about? It's the same damn offer.
Anthony Joshua passed on a allegedly guaranteed $80m for two fights, to basically fight Povetkin and now Jarell Miller for maybe $45m for the two fights, with the US marketing push still borne because the general sports consensus here is that Joshua is careful at least, and chicken**** at worse.
Who's the real dumbass?
$45m is a conservative estimate on your part, with the DAZN investment Joshua is more than likely clearing it.
The $80m you talk about includes paying off pre existing TV and commercial contracts and who knows how many millions that would amount to? We already know that BT were funding it whilst Joshua was under contract with Sky Sports.
Don't talk about Joshua being careful or chicken, Joshua gets lots of love in the US and by the time Wilder and Fury get done Joshua will have cleared out the whole damn division. PBC won't be able to pull the wool over everybody's eyes about that.
If Wilder loses to Fury, especially in a dominating fashion, which is more likely than not, the entire boxing community will be focused on Fury vs Joshua. Wilder will then have to wait and try toregain his lost rep and status. That would take at least a year or more... By then things may change quickly and Wilder will no longer be a hot commodity and replaced by Kownacki, Usyk, Whyte, Miller vs ?? winner.
I see a triology for Wilder v Fury
If Wilder loses to Fury and tries to fight Joshua afterwards he would only be worth about 20% so the fight would never happen.
Dumbass is risking his chance to be an ATG by being able to call himself undisputed.
If Wilder beats Fury, and the event does what people think it does, Joshua is ****ed!
To hell with that "it has to be in the UK" and "here's 40% as a fee" BS; it'll be 50/50, from T-Mobile Arena, on SHOPPV/Sky Box Office and a big FU to that $50m guarantee, or be ready to fight Pulev in ****ing Bulgaria. lol.
There's clear risk on Wilder's part (though he still has multimillion dollar paydays in feature fights against Kownacki and Breazeale, he'd be far from the 8-figure paydays for the two Fury fights), but scared money don't make money.
Anthony Joshua passed on a allegedly guaranteed $80m for two fights, to basically fight Povetkin and now Jarell Miller for maybe $45m for the two fights, with the US marketing push still borne because the general sports consensus here is that Joshua is careful at least, and chicken**** at worse.
Who's the real dumbass?
After BS from AJ/Hearn, Wilder would do well to just retire after the 3 fights with Fury.
Yes this means Wilder will lose or draw vs Fury to have the 3rd. They got offspring ya know.
...if Wilder loses to Fury the second time around?
I CERTAINLY AM NOT!
The sooner this Wilder character loses his belt the better it is for me.
Why, because Fury vs Joshua would then be the fight to make.
Wilder will then be forced to fight the fight casuals have long want to see.
There is Whyte, Kownacki, Usyk and many others,
instead of the Arreola and Stiverne's of the division.
It would be a massive win win for fans if Wilder loses his next fight.
Better believe it.
Still.... Fury needs to box another perfect 12 rounds, after Wilder has already seen the trips/traps for 12 and was able to really break through on two occasions.
Hang your hat on that perch if you want, lol.