Crawford and Spence are on a different level to Thurman

Seriously. Every back and forth I've read on here is at least 85% about who people have fought and very little about breakdowns about how fighters match up right now and what strategies they should employ. It's like listening to Stephen A and Skip when they couldn't go one present day topic without talking about Jordan or Brett Favre. That resume argument is for comparing or rating an entire career, like when you're ranking best fighters of a decade or generation. I don't think how guys fared against uncommon opponents from 3+ years ago is going to be the deciding factor in any big time matchup. Exactly, as I said to the first guy that brought resume up... Resume doesn’t equate for talent.

The boxer employs the promoter not the other way around. Eddie Hearn wanted Khan to face Brook, Khan said no, he wants to fight Crawford for his title. If fighters want the fight, it will happen It ain’t that simple. Khan was not tied to a rival network and you can’t compare Hearn’s relationship with Arum to Haymon’s. Poor comparison.

Why tf yall keep bringing up Crawford...He suspect untill he fight a real 147lber.....Yall hyping up from what he did at 140...He aint done **** at 147 Jeff Horn? Lol I mean somebody please explain this BS Rn Thurman the most proven fighter yet he gets the most disrespect! He fought and beat Porter and DSG back to back.. What has Crawford done? And be real he didn't look all that vs a guy with ****ed up leg

Seriously. Every back and forth I've read on here is at least 85% about who people have fought and very little about breakdowns about how fighters match up right now and what strategies they should employ. It's like listening to Stephen A and Skip when they couldn't go one present day topic without talking about Jordan or Brett Favre. That resume argument is for comparing or rating an entire career, like when you're ranking best fighters of a decade or generation. I don't think how guys fared against uncommon opponents from 3+ years ago is going to be the deciding factor in any big time matchup. You both nailed it. It’s rare to see fans talk about fighters qualities, skills etc; it’s just “well he beat and his best win is only therefore fighter A is the best.

I’d love to see them face off but there’s so much politics involved. Arum and Haymon don’t work together, they’re both aligned to rival tv networks etc etc. I really hope Thurman or Porter step up and fight Spence this year, there’s nothing standing in the way of those matchups. Spence needs some credible opposition at 147. So does Crawford, but Khan might be the best Arum can get him which is unfortunate. The boxer employs the promoter not the other way around. Eddie Hearn wanted Khan to face Brook, Khan said no, he wants to fight Crawford for his title. If fighters want the fight, it will happen

All this resume talk is nonsense. Resumes are merely names and records. I mean who do you think would be favored in these matchups. Just go by what you've seen in the ring, which obviously incorporates everything a resume does plus the fighter's skillset. Seriously. Every back and forth I've read on here is at least 85% about who people have fought and very little about breakdowns about how fighters match up right now and what strategies they should employ. It's like listening to Stephen A and Skip when they couldn't go one present day topic without talking about Jordan or Brett Favre. That resume argument is for comparing or rating an entire career, like when you're ranking best fighters of a decade or generation. I don't think how guys fared against uncommon opponents from 3+ years ago is going to be the deciding factor in any big time matchup.

All this resume talk is nonsense. Resumes are merely names and records. I mean who do you think would be favored in these matchups. Just go by what you've seen in the ring, which obviously incorporates everything a resume does plus the fighter's skillset.

Brook didn't handle Porter easily. It was a MD and Brook held and smothered his way to the victory. When Keith fought Porter he fought him, he didn't hug him to the W. Though after last night I'm not sure if Keith knows how to hug and smother for the W. I said fairly easy and that's exactly what he did in my eyes. He beat Porter 9-3 or 8-4. Landed almost all the best shots of the fight and was smart to tie up on the inside.

Crawford and Khan almost have the same style. They both want distance, but Khan is armed with lightning combos. Crawford should train for some Lamont Peterson swarming style... Crawford is a far better counter puncher though, he’ll start to time and counter Khan after a couple of rounds IMO. Quite and intriguing fight IMO...

I think his speed could cause him problems early on, but Crawford’s timing will be the key. He’ll start to time Khan and then a dominant stoppage victory is inevitable. Crawford and Khan almost have the same style. They both want distance, but Khan is armed with lightning combos. Crawford should train for some Lamont Peterson swarming style...

I have nothing against Crawford, but I think Khan is all wrong for his style. I think his speed could cause him problems early on, but Crawford’s timing will be the key. He’ll start to time Khan and then a dominant stoppage victory is inevitable.

His resume aint that good, but still better than Spence and Crawford combined :haha: It really isn’t... His best win is Shawn Porter who lost to Kell Brook. And I think dominant wins over Postol, Burns, Gamboa, Horn and Peterson outweigh wins over Garcia and Guerrero. It’s irrelevant anyway. Done here...

I have nothing against Crawford, but I think Khan is all wrong for his style.

The point being Thurman has taken the tough fights. Crawford and Spence need to up their game. Why can't they face each other this year? I’d love to see them face off but there’s so much politics involved. Arum and Haymon don’t work together, they’re both aligned to rival tv networks etc etc. I really hope Thurman or Porter step up and fight Spence this year, there’s nothing standing in the way of those matchups. Spence needs some credible opposition at 147. So does Crawford, but Khan might be the best Arum can get him which is unfortunate.

Why are either Danny Garcia or Shawn Porter considered good wins? This isn't 2012. Danny and ANY aura he had around him has long faded. Danny lost to Herrera (given a decision win), arguably lost to LP, lost to Shawn, lost to Keith, and looked very ordinary against Ghost Guerrero. Again, what about Danny is a "good" win? Dude is a bum-eater...his best win since 2013 is fucking Brandon Rios or Ghost Guerrero. Are you kidding me? And Shawn Porter? MMAShawn? Dude is a joke. Hurt by Adrien Broner although won, lost to Kell Brook in a close but clean fight, lost to Thurman, and edged the above clown Danny Garcia in a close but clear fight. The only thing Shawn does well is ruin the fight for fans by hugging and trying to tackle his opponent all night long. Keith Thurman was hurt against Lopez and Collazo (two literal journeymen contenders), and has close but clean wins over Danny and Shawn. There is literally zero worth mentioning on his resume otherwise. Nothing about this guy is impressive and personally find him annoying as fuck Welterweight is a 2-dog race and that's Terrence Crawford and Errol Spence. The other three, call them the three stooges if you like, are jostling for 3rd place. You typed out all that just to have it come down to Thurmans resume is still better than Spence and Crawford combined. :beerchug:

His resume ain’t that good. He has two good wins Garcia and Porter. You can maybe include Guerrero as well. Crawford isn’t that far off Burns (on the road) Gamboa, Postol, Horn as well as cleaning out 140. And Spence’s performance on the road against Brook is more impressive than any Thurman performance IMO. His resume aint that good, but still better than Spence and Crawford combined :haha:

Even an in shape Thurman would not survive Spence's vicious attack to the body and head in my opinion. Yea, it's definitely possible, but I always get nagged by the vision of Spence caught by overhands. Literally ever fight I can find a few overhands/hooks clean, but he hasnt fought any punchers. That's Thurman's bread and butter, when Spence gets in close looking to throw those combo's Thurman(if he's prime and has his power, not the one that just fought) will bomb him out, even if he doesnt KO him, it's an entirely different ball game falling forward onto Keith Thurman than it is falling forward into Kell Brook. Kell Brook mainly throws arm punches and isnt very good at sliding on his feet. Even this rusty Thurman flashed that great distance control and counter. I'm also interested to see how Spence would deal with someone constantly turning him. If we look at history, the boxer puncher that likes to pressure/throw a lot of punches will often be relegated to a more cautious style when facing the threat of a skilled puncher who can counter.

He probably does. Definitely a better resume than Spence, Crawford arguably has beat a more talented fighter in Gamboa but Thurman has far better wins at 147. Resume doesn’t equate for talent though, and Spence and Crawford have shown far more talent in their performances than Thurman has. There’s no one on Thurman’s resume who Spence and Crawford couldn’t deal with easily IMO. The point being Thurman has taken the tough fights. Crawford and Spence need to up their game. Why can't they face each other this year?

****, I'd almost go as far to say that Josesito is better than anyone on both their records. Brook's name is all that makes up for it. Gamboa, Beltran, Burns, Postol, Horn, Peterson all not as good as Josesito Lopez apparently.🤣🤣 A fighter that has 0 world title wins and a record of 1-4 against current/former/future champions. Idiot...

Why are either Danny Garcia or Shawn Porter considered good wins? This isn't 2012. Danny and ANY aura he had around him has long faded. Danny lost to Herrera (given a decision win), arguably lost to LP, lost to Shawn, lost to Keith, and looked very ordinary against Ghost Guerrero. Again, what about Danny is a "good" win? Dude is a bum-eater...his best win since 2013 is fucking Brandon Rios or Ghost Guerrero. Are you kidding me? And Shawn Porter? MMAShawn? Dude is a joke. Hurt by Adrien Broner although won, lost to Kell Brook in a close but clean fight, lost to Thurman, and edged the above clown Danny Garcia in a close but clear fight. The only thing Shawn does well is ruin the fight for fans by hugging and trying to tackle his opponent all night long. Keith Thurman was hurt against Lopez and Collazo (two literal journeymen contenders), and has close but clean wins over Danny and Shawn. There is literally zero worth mentioning on his resume otherwise. Nothing about this guy is impressive and personally find him annoying as fuck Welterweight is a 2-dog race and that's Terrence Crawford and Errol Spence. The other three, call them the three stooges if you like, are jostling for 3rd place. Both are were/are current/former champions at 147. And were top 5 in the division when he fought them. Not great wins but clearly both good wins...