Version II:
James Toney goes to the doctor's complaining of dizziness and memory loss.
However, the doctor does not have a "Slur-ese to English" dictionary and tells Toney to go home.
Version III:
James Toney goes to the doctor's complaining of dizziness and memory loss.
However, on the way to the doctor's he passes a McDonald's and forgets about his memory loss. Goes through the drive-thru and orders 14 Big Macs with fries and a dozen shakes instead.
Ref to Yusef Mack in the pre-fight instructions:
"No low blows.... or blowing of any kind. Vaseline is to be applied to the face only. Clinching is acceptable.... humping is not. And son.... lose the kneepads."
Why fight for "fans" when this all the junk that ever gets posted.
Fights Canelo yet still hated. Everyone he has fought, win or lose he fought them when the fans demanded it and when they were relevant. You poser ass "fans" are despicable. I like Canelo and Cotto and I can't wait for the fight. Why waste my time with you loser ass dudes who've accomplished nothing in your lives - with your claim to fames being your XBox gamerscores.
It'll be bittersweet on the 21st because I don't want either guy to lose, but it's going to be fun regardless. When Cotto retires - i'll make the trek to the Hall of Fame to cheer him on while you petty ass losers will still contemplate. His resume is fine and can be stacked up against anyone in his era. He fights the fights when they're relevant and that's all that matters.
When Cotto gets in..... the HOF will be accused of being overrated and over-the-hill.
smart as in he should be scared of the great tito.
dumb as in the way he fought.
i can hate or love cotto, his resume stays the same.
his titles were won over pinto, quintana, jennings, foreman and 40 yr. old serg.
All undefeated when Cotto beat them (except for Jennings), but obviously all worthless since they lost to Cotto. Especially Quintana, who later went on to defeat the previously undefeated Paul Williams.
And yes.... his resume stays the same, never mind that you still haven't responded to my comments regarding Mosley and Judah made back several pages ago. I realize they don't fit your agenda, and thus must be ignored.
i didn't even read your post. you were babbling.
keep it short and to the point and i'll reply.
You don't know **** about boxing.
Is that short enough for you?
Cotto is good and lost to good fighters. Duran was great and lost to great fighters. Which is basically the same thing bro. And my original point was that it's ok to lose to others good or great fighters.
Cotto lost to a good fighter in Trout... a great fighter in Pacquiao and another one in Floyd.... and a cheater in Margarito.
See this is the problem.
Never said he wasn't hof.
Never said he wasn't a big draw.
Nothing to do with his money.
This is about cotto but not toward cotto.
We are talking resume, legacy in the sport.
It doesn't take much energy to talk cotto resume.
Maybe difficult if you try to portray him as some all time great though. He doesn't have the accomplishments.
Then we're probably not as far apart as I thought.
IMO, Trinidad, Gomez, Benitez were all better and more accomplished than Cotto.
Where we differ is on the resume itself.
Go back through Cotto's early fights.
If you know the names, you'll see Cotto very early on, took on some difficult names early in his career.
180-degree difference from someone like Canelo, who gets hyped for his record.
Now THERE'S a soft resume with holes all over it.
You dismiss Judah and Mosley. I don't.
I already posted how they went on to significant victories after losing to Cotto.
LOL at all this energy trying to "explain" why Cotto isn't great.
Meanwhile, he's one of boxing's biggest draws, and everyone finds it necessary to talk about him, one way or the other. He seems a lock for the HOF, his finances are secure... and TBH doesn't give a sh*t one way or the other what a bunch of second-guessers in a boxing forum think.
see when you don't babble i read it.
quintana was a good fighter. definitely cotto's best title win.
but that leads us back to the same point.
when we talk about a guy's resume highlights and we're talking quintana, 36 yr. old mosley, 40 yr. old serg, malignaggi, past it zab.
is that a great fighter?
I'll try and keep it concise, since your attention span is apparently short.
Mosley KO'ed both Mayorga and Margarito after losing to Cotto.
Couldn't have been too old, huh.
Zab was so "past it", he beat previously undefeated Lucas Matthysse 3 years later.
You're ignoring the Torreses, the Baileys, etc.
Why pick and choose some while ignoring others just to make your point?
Hope I didn't babble too much for you.
I know who cotto fought.
Don't mistake me for some guy who thinks he has a bad resume because I don't know the guys names.
I know most of the known guys he fought. He has a solid resume. Nothing great.
Winning a fight or two after means little. If they went on a run and was top caliber still then that would show they were still good.
That's a pretty damning criteria. But let's use it on everybody, shall we?
How 'bout ODLH?
Who did HE beat who went on a run and was top caliber?
Rafael Ruelas?
Miguel A. Gonzalez?
Pretty much crashed and burned after losses to Oscar.
The rest were either over-the-hill dudes, or Trinidad-ruined leftovers.
As you can see... if we try hard enough, we can shoot holes in just about any resume.
;)
The Myth
Miguel Cotto fights everyone. A warrior who fought everyone.
Really?
Miguel Cotto has had one of the most "PROMOTER CREATED" careers in boxing.
Top Rank matchmakers had to work overtime to get him his belts.
His 1st 3 belts were all vacant titles.
He won the vacant WBO 140 belt fighting Kelson Pinto.
He won the vacant WBC 147 belt fighting Carlos Quintana.
He won the vacant WBO 147 belt fighting Michael Jennings.
The 1st time he won a belt from a "CHAMPION" was cherrypicking Yuri Foreman.
Cotto never tried to unify and fight another "CHAMPION".
People thought Cotto was fighting everyone because he fought Zab Judah, Shane Mosley, Antonio Margarito 2007-2008.
Judah hadn't won in 2 years when Cotto fought him. Winless in his 3 previous fights.
Mosley was 36 yrs. old and people thought he was washed up after going 1W-4L-1NC 2002-2004.
Margarito had just lost the previous year to Paul Williams and let's be honest Cotto and handlers thought Margarito was too slow and unskilled.
Not trying to compare Cotto with Trinidad, Gomez, or Benitez... but let's be fair. When you're out to discredit a fighter, you'll twist the facts to make your case.
First let's address your "vacant" championship versus an incumbent champion. So what? Was the belt raffled off or something? Or did he still have to defeat another fighter to get the belt?
Now about your dismissal of some of his opponents. Yes... Mosley was 36 years old when he lost to Cotto in what was a brilliant fight for Cotto. Yet he still had enough in the tank to KO Mayorga a year later, and KTFO Margarito a few months after that.
Zab Judah on a losing streak? So what? Three years after losing to Cotto (in another brilliant fight).... here was the same Judah earning a victory over the previously undefeated Lucas Matthysse. Not bad, huh?
I invite you to take an objective view of Cotto's entire resume. I'll gladly stack it up against any contemporary fighter... one by one. Cotto fought more than his share of the difficult and dangerous boxers and defeated them all. Ricardo Torres, Randall Bailey... hell... he took out the previously undefeated Carlos Quintana who.... easy enough now to dismiss him to make the case against Cotto. But the same Quintana who 2 years later got a UD over Paul Williams.
BTW.... as a bit of info.... Cotto would've absolutely destroyed Ricky Hatton had they met back in the day. I'm only sorry they never got the chance to meet.
I'll take Tua's lack of response to my post (# 37) as a concession to my points.
Regardless, I'm not trying to make a case for Cotto as the greatest P.R. champion ever. I'm just trying to right a wrong. You can't twist facts to pick Cotto's record apart. A careful review of his opponents since the very beginning will reveal what I already mentioned. That his opponents stack up well against anybody's out there today.
Boxing fans are sooo funny...
We can play "Let's Pick Apart the Resume" with just about any fighter. Just pick someone you hate and want to discredit... and pick apart his resume by rattling off how many losses his opponent had before or after... how old the opponents were... what the opponents had for breakfast the day of the fight... what color their eyes are...
By the same token, we can play "Let's Build Up the Resume" for those fighters we want to hype up. All to our convenience. Fighters are either superstars or bums depending on your particular agenda. Come to think of it..... it's a pretty good skill. Must come in handy in real life, I reckon.
I'll stick with my opinion that Cotto's resume is one of the best of modern day fighters, and just resign myself to the notion that all of sudden fighters like Mosley, Judah, Quintana, Torres, Bailey, and Clottey are all crap and unworthy. I guess that's news to me.
Of course, fact is Floyd also beat Mosley and Judah.... but that must've been when they were good, right?
Hatton got schooled and humiliated by Floyd. Hatton also thought he deserved to be in the conversation for p4p at one point. Then he got schooled by Floyd and KTFO'ed by Pac. So of course, Hatton is going to say Floyd has faced everyone. He faced Hatton, didn't he?? What a moron...
I don't know that he has any real fans on here...it's mostly trolling. You're right about floyd and pac having the careers and talent to justify having a big fan base...but there's nothing worse than a pact@rd.
Some of those trolls have Khan's avatar and name. But ok. Pact@rds can be annoying, especially when they claim that Pac actually won his fight vs Floyd. If you can't keep it real, you're annoying. But Pac himself isn't NEARLY as annoying as Khan. (And neither is Floyd, for that matter). Khan's mouth has single-handedly made him into one of the most hated boxers in the world at the moment. As I said in another thread, I've never rooted for Canelo in my life, and I'm gonna be rooting for him to knock Khan into next week.
My biggest beef with Khan is this: If you're gonna talk all the sh*t you talk, at least build the career to back it up. He hasn't.
Not much honestly. People are putting him up on that pedestal already and if he isn't careful, he'll buy into his own hype (see JuanMa) and self-implode.
When people call a man a king, he believes he's a king. When the people want the king to go to war, the king looks to his knight to win the war for him. Only in boxing, you have to be both the king and knight and it's often hard for the king to put a sword in his hand when he is used to holding a bag of gold.
There's a big difference. Verdejo looks and talks smart. JuanMa was as dumb as a rock. Verdejo won't fall into the same trap JuanMa did.