Well when you look at it from to standpoint of him being the former #1 P4P king; He really hasnt't done anything to loose it and actually came back looking better than ever.
Now I know people will say it was against a smaller older lightweight but those compubox numbers were ridiculous. Also the fact that he used his boxing skills to outhink and outbox marquez, and the fact his defense was about as good as it has ever been......I can understand how someone would put him at #2. One thing I will say is if Paul goes up to MW and does what I know he is capable of doing, then he takes the #1 spot.
if that is the case, fmj vs jmm part II will make fmj P4P King ... wow nice 1 or
Why not? Cotto is a limited fighter coming off a gift and hasn't recovered from his loss, his skills alone rank him under Floyd, let's be real he 2nd tier.
wow ... nice 1 ...
i bet if P4P#2 will be challenge by fmj this will cement his claim as #1 or P4P King again...nice ducking tactics ... i will him at #1 spot for taking the #1 spot by challenging #2...without fighting the current #1
this should be the rule and lets check who is welter and who is not ...
jmm vs fmj is like a third grader vs sixth grader fight ... which displays how the sixth grader dismantled the third grader .... LoL
I don't think its based on resume alone ..... other factors play a role also.
In essense: its just a way to promote upcoming match-ups. IMHO
Look at how the WBC ranked Pac-man #2 WW above every other competitor in order to sanction his upcoming fight for the Platinum Diamond belt.
at least pac man fights legit welter not bloated-make-believe-welter...any how i hope that mosley - fmj will happen, this will at least ring a bell that fmj is indeed great....then challenge PW,cotto,clottey and other legit welter .... :)
Considering the fact that De La Hoya was a zombie in their fight, hadn't fought at 147 in years should have been fighting at least 154 plus, and Hatton who ballooned up to 190 before the Pacquiao match who had to come back down to 139 and didn't have enough fluid in his body to within a punch.
What is Manny Pacquiao's best CLEAR win? I don't consider Juan Manuel Marqez as victories
about dela hoya...it was dela hoya's fault ... he had the best trainers of the world...you forget that... if being an underdog and able to win via TKO is not a CLEAR win for you... how about hatton...he was the king in 140 until paco promoted him into a pawn ... LoL
we knew he was p4p king all along ;)
duh .... voidness have not fought paco yet ... and paco is going to fight a legit welter ... voidness did defeat a legit flyweight...i mean legit blown-up-flyweight-to-become-a-welter ..... LoL
fmj ... with a big smile... coz he was able to pay his IRS which he denies long before the fmj-jmm fight and now it is taken care after the bout...
paid the large sum via void,fake and dumb match ...
Mayweather is the current No.1 PPV attraction in the sport of boxing. No doubt about that. I'm happy for him and I dislike all the PBF haters.
Fact: Your No.1 PPV attraction was not able to attract..instead repel all boxing fan! and that is a fact!
i didn't read mr. war and peace's post but is he talking about his respect FOR people or respect FROM people?
not sure...but i thought he was referring to people claiming fmj is a draw .... cash cow , etc ... but i think ... NOT....
He will obviously answer the question Pull. But from a boxing fan standpoint, he should not pay ANY attention to ANY other fighter than Miguel Cotto.
i think you need to wake up son!
you remember fmj and fms always inserting the name of paco everytime they have an interview,prescon,etc. they use the name of paco to gain attention...cuz only those delusion-fmj-fan hears them.
Roach leaves out the part about the catch-weight he's going to insert into the contract, even though Manny's best fighting weight is 149lbs.
Yeah right! guess what if fmj signs a 145 or 147 weight, he goes 150 or maybe 155 just to make sure he can win, does not respect rules.
Only thing i hear out of Freddy's mouth is Mayweather's name. It getting kind of comical really...it almost implies he isn't very confident.
- mayweaher is boring
- mayweather had no balls for not knocking out marquez
- mayweather- marquez bout wont sell
- marquez had 80% of the fans
- mayweather wants too much money
- we'll knock mayweather out
- Manny doesn't need mayweather, mayweather needs us
- we wont let cotto do to us what mayweather did to marquez
- Manny needs to knockout out mayweather before he retires
....it goes on and on. Seems to me like a nervous person who realizes a big loss awaits his fighter.
and you think that roach is wrong ... nah ... you are ... you are a key board trained creature not world class trainer ... can you see the difference... dont compare your thinking with the real trainer .... duh
You need to stfu with your nonsense.. You know how many times Manny Pacquiao's name has came out of the Mayweather's mouth?
exactly...dunno this voidness hugger cant understand simple things ... or maybe they cannot understand what voidness talk and forgot how voidness always drops the name of paco...even hi voidness sr did so...went to steriod ... and now skills department ... duh ....LoL
thats the sweet science of the duck master, boat buyer ....
duck all you want, why be defeated when it is possible not to ?
why fight welter when you can fight non welter and be a great welter fighter ?
LoL
The hate for this man on thus board is mind blowing... Floyd gets shit for fighting the #2 p4p fighter after a two year lay-off... AFTER A TWO YEAR LAYOFF... Marquez is a brilliant dangerous fighter and this is one hell of a fight to be taking after such a long time out of the ring yet people yell "fraud"... Yet when Cotto fought Alfonzo Gomez or Michael Jennings earlier this year it was a-okay... If Floyd came back and fought Michael Jennings on PPV like Cotto did he'd be crucified... Cotto gets no critisizm for fighting Pacquiao when Cotto is bigger then Floyd and Pac is smaller then Marquez? It didn't matter who Floyd choose to fight in his comeback people will still bitch about it... If he choose Cotto people will say, "oh now he wants to fight Cotto cuz he's damaged goods what a pussy Floyd is".... If he choose Pac then they'd say, "he's scared to fight a true welterweight"... And if he fought Shane then, "he's scared to fight Pacquiao."..... Everyone on this board is FULL OF SH*T
1. Marquez = 2 division below WW
2. Marquez adds more weight than the weight PBF looses
3. fight is at 144 lbs
4. pbf has balls to face marquez while pac has balls facing cotto;
5. marquez last fight was below 140 lbs , pac last fight has reached 140 lbs
6. pac > marquez ; cotto to pbf, i dont know but i know pbf dance more graceful than cotto and both are on WW
7. WW againts LW (pbf vs marquez) WW againts LWW (cotto vs pac). choose which is greater or equal or lesser
i hope this makes it logical ... hopefully ..
and lastly, you can have a big rounds of tissue paper, for your tears ... peace !
Okay what welterweight was available for a more challenging tune-up? Enlighten me
spoon feeding , eh ?
you have enough time to browse who are legit WW...
also...tune-up fight should not be a reason for fight a guy 2 division below WW...
do your google TS ... peace
you can go back and check my history. i've never thought Pac would beat Mayweather, though i believed he had a better chance than JMM. does anyone still think he is going to knock Floyd out.
Void could have it tested. Void should have waited 24 hours before he signed the "TUNE-UP-FIGHT-plus-OVER-HYPE" fight with jmm. what is 24 hours against the almost 2 years layoff ? Prior to the pac-hatton fight, it was rumored that void will have a match with pac but went out.
Then every time a press con is called, void and his clansmen always utter the name of pac to gain attention when the fight is about jmm and void. and void almost sold out jmm by saying that he can pay jmm to set aside if pac says so. Any how if pac cannot defeat void, then void will chose and wait for pac for his next fight. hopefully since void doesnt do business with legit welter. LoL
if jmm can make it to 140 ~ 145 ... ahahah ....
after all jmm is the one chasing pac ... pac does not need jmm ... there is nothing to proved with jmm ... only fmj does have something to prove by fighting jmm ... maybe a rematch
jmm vs fmj part 2 ... this will be a great fight .... :thumbsdow
i think it is wrong....it should be ...
FMJ will be the next to fight Paco .... FMJ is the welter-challenger and Paco is the King of P4P .... duh ...
Paco > FMJr + JMM + FMSr
ahahahaha ....
make sense when posting that FMJr will beat paco, coz if that is correct, voidness should have waited after the hatton-paco fight. but instead voidness use his logic who beats-who, duh. post it when FMJr KOs paco and while FMJr has not fought a legit welter, he is still a disgrace welter who fights blown-out-welter...
"Hater! WWF is popular! Money is just usin them to promote the fight! Bet you didn't hate when Pac used a WWF guy! It's a double standard! You hatin on Money! You hatin on him! Hater!"
:banana::banana::banana:
i have never seen pac using WWF popularity. did i missed it ?
i do not hate pbf, i cant just imagine a talented fighter but does not test himself with other fighter his own size. keep bragging of being the greatest but cant support it. doesnt want to fight the #1 welter (or not yer, and i hope he will fight ssm, at least this will STFU other people who hate pbf) ...
what good is talent when not used correctly ?
i like your sig...damn jmm was stupid for letting pbf go with the 146 lbs ... he sold out greatness for $600,000
another mayweather mafia...buying another win...
P4P pac is the king.
i think not, pbf is the p4p king at the moment, for defeating the p4p#2 convincingly and jmm > pac and pbf > jmm, therefore pbf > jmm > pac
period
"Hater! Money just fights! Haymon and his team handle the rest! He said all along it's a WW fight, not a catchweight fight! Stop hatin! Hater!"
:dance:
grrrrrrrrr.....
cant help it ...
but i hope there will be a jmm-pbf part 2 ... would you like it ?
Money is the greatest he would ko sugar ray leonard and tommy hearns at the same time. on the real though stop the hate, kids a talented fighter enjoy the talent while he is still around.
damn...another hugger ... i dont hate pbf, just dont like him....and a bit of hate
"You a racist! Quit hatin on Money! You just mad cuz he beat your favorite fighter! You jealous cuz he got more Money than you! JMM was a real WW! He was p4p #2! You just don't wanna give Money any credit! Hater! You hatin on Money! Money is the best! Hater!"
:banana::banana::banana:
since pbf is close to WWF , seems like he is using and making boxing a drama ... i should have included this one ...
when did pacman ko jmm???you mean knockdown???and pacman didnt bully nor punish jmm..he got outboxed and got a draw after knocking a man down 3 times and a split decision after knocking a man down once.......so jmm boxed his ears off
knockdown i mean...:(
1st fight should not be a draw, one of the judges did own the mistake on scoring and you should know that too.
it was jmm who was the underdog and got bullied by pbf who was decorated for being @ his comfortable weight as what he says...welter fight...LoL
it just so happen that the judges on the rematch was official and scored it right.glad you are not the one there though... LoL
and how did pacman layout a blue print on how to beat jmm??he hasnt beat him convicingly..jmm won more rounds in both fights
pac KOed jmm more than 4 times when they fought, blueprint was....dont KO jmm and just bully him...like what pbf did and it was a convincing win .... LoL
"You such a hater! Money is the GOAT! JMM was a WW! He was dammit! Look at his fight nite weight! JMM is a WW and would beat SSM, Cotto, and Clottey at WW! You'll never give him credit no matter what cuz you a racist! Hater!"
:nana::nana::nana:
yeah he is a welter. but why did pbf weight 146 when he signed a 144 catch weight? isnt it cheating ?
"You such a hater! Money is the GOAT! JMM was a WW! He was dammit! Look at his fight nite weight! JMM is a WW and would beat SSM, Cotto, and Clottey at WW! You'll never give him credit no matter what cuz you a racist! Hater!"
:nana::nana::nana:
Do you even realize I'm kiddin?
yep...i'm just playin along ... LoL ....
this is my first post get more than 10 post.... ahahaha
He got 2 fights waitin on him at WW. He better take em.
I think he will have a rematch with jmm. this will solidify his welter champ claim without fighting the real welter champ..
Pacquiao would never lose to mayweather like Marquez did.
People are giving too much credit for that fight.
He came in exceedingly overweight to fight an OLD, OVERWEIGHT, and SLOW Marquez compared to the young fighter he used too be.
Marquez was never the same after he lost to Pacquiao. Pacquiao already laid out the "BLUEPRINT" (mayweathers words) on how to beat Marquez.
If the "young" Marquez were to fight the "old" Marquez, the young Marquez would clean him out as well. Just ask his trainer Berenstein.
Pacquiao always underestimated, while mayweather cheats his way to boxing history and hall of fame. What a shame.