Stickman

Judging a fight is very subjective, and every fighter knows that you have to not only land punches, but look like you're in control of the pace and type of action. It's called ring generalship. And I'm not saying that you can't win simply by landing more punches than the other guy, all I'm saying is that you just can't depend on the judges giving you a decision when that's all you've done. Again, I had Dirrell a winner on my card, but I just can't call this a robbery because the judges didn't. He gave them too many reasons for them to slide rounds to Froch, and it showed on the cards.

I hope one of the things he learned is to pressure his opponent and use more of the opportunities he has to be aggressive.

How did Froch win when Dirrell was outboxing him and making him eat jabs and jabs to the body also he landed nice left-hooks? Did you give Froch points for hitting air? Its great you consider this fight so close when Froch struggled to land punches on Dirrell, while eating Dirrells jabs. Look....this is the sport of boxing, where a panel of 3 judges score the fight at their own discression. The fighters have the option of boxing the entire fight and letting it go to the cards, or doing everything in their power to put their opponents to sleep to take it out of the judges hands. I'm not saying I agree with the scorecards (I didn't, I actually thought Dirrell had it by a point, after the deduction), but getting pissy over it is pointless. I think that if Dirrell hadn't been so defensive, and worked so hard to stay away from Froch, he could've won by clean KO. He definitely hurt Froch early on, and failed to press his game and put his opponent down. His fault entirely.

That's pretty much the way I saw it. Dirrell could have been more aggressive, but still, I thought he won clearly. When you fight scared for 12 rounds, you can't expect judges to be sympathetic. I had Dirrell ahead as well, but I can easily see why he wasn't given the nod here, and in fact I expected it before they announced the decision. And Andre did fight a scared, nervous fight. He had multiple opportunities in every round to press the action and only took advantage of a few. He spent much of his time with his head below his waist, just plain running, or tying up, to avoid getting hit, rather than using his own offense as part of his defensive game. The fight was his to win, and he could've done so in dramatic fashion. He had huge advantages in speed, skill and talent, and just refused to put them to good use. He even had Froch pretty buzzed at one point, but failed to capatalize on his advantages. NO judge is going to look favorably on this type of fighter, as I'm sure Dirrell knew even while he was doing it. I'm disappointed as hell in Andre, and I hope he's learned his lesson from this shameful performance.

it wasn't even that good of a punch.. don't know how it got him a concussion Not that good of a punch? Abraham can bang, and it was a very hard straight right, exactly on the button. I'm surprised he wasn't out cold for several minutes, and he probably would've been if he hadn't been in probably the best shape of his career. Anyway, he'll be fine. The short term memory loss is normal from a concussion injury like that (know this from personal experience), he'll be fine tomorrow, but probably won't ever remember what happened...might not even remember the last round or two. It happens.

just cause robberies happen doesn't make it right. Right or not, filling 3 pages in the front of a boxing forum bitching about a bad decision (which really can't be called a robbery, considering how Andre fought a bit scared the entire fight, giving the judges every reason in the world to count rounds against him) doesn't help matters.

He'll definitely take on the winner...as long as it's Pacman. If Cotto wins it, he'll be much more hesitant (after all, Cotto is actually the same size as Floyd), but might go ahead with it. If he doesn't, I wouldn't mind seeing a Cotto/Mosley rematch (I think Shane will win a rematch), and then Floyd could take on the winner......yeah, I know, never happen. If Pacman doesn't beat Cotto, I predict Floyd will fight Manny anyway.

If Pac wins, Floyd should target him first since Pac is ready to leave boxing. If Cotto wins, yeah, then he can go for Shane first. If Shane was offered Pac or Floyd, he would go for the biggest purse, so Floyd should be entitled to that as well. Shane would, eh? When the **** has he ever made the smart business move in the past?

Gameplan for Cotto will probably be to do his normal training to make 147, dehydrate moderately, and then before the weigh in, drain 2 pints of blood (a pint of blood weighs about a pound), and then put it back in after he steps on the scales. He'll probably be light-headed and as white as a ghost at the weigh in. :D

If he were to convincingly beat Mosley and Cotto, I'd write him down in my book as an ATG. Unfortunately, you have to actually sign a fight with someone to have a chance to beat them, and Mayweather definitely won't sign with Mosley, and probably won't sign with Cotto either, even if he beats Pacman. He'll probably still make the Pacman fight, and then retire again....for good this time, I hope.

No way do I want to see Toney in the ring against either Klitschko. It'd be tantamount to legalized homocide, and I wouldn't have any part of it. Toney is highly skilled, but he's old, his reflexes have slowed, and he's maybe 1/4 the size of either brother. Six or seven rounds, and he'll be getting pounded by right hands, left hooks, and end up more dain bramaged than he already is.

This thread is a joke, right?

I can barely make out a word that Roger Mayweather says. Yeah, that beating Leonard laid on him turned him into a mushmouth.

ohhh.. didn't know what staph infection was.. look's like athlete's hand instead of foot No, it's not like athlete's foot. That's caused by a fungus. Staph is a bacterial infection. Much worse than even the worst ever case of athlete's foot.

WHy would he pull out? He had a KO loss, it happens. He's still viable (I'd pick him over both Ward and Dirrell, and give him a 30% chance at a win over Kessler), he's just had a few bad breaks.

How the **** do some ppl get staph infections anyways? Being extremely dirty? I mean I jog every single day probably around 7-8 miles if not more and I come home and the first thing I do is not take a shower but just rinse my face off because I lift weights later then I hit the showers. I mean I constantly swet, probably more then anyone on the entire planet but I don't get the staph infection... It has nothing to do with sweating. It's a bacterial infection, nothing more than that. People usually get it from a Hospital....ironic, I know, but true. Staphylococcus (there are several types) infections can be hard to get rid of simply because they are usually resistant to penicillin, and alternative antibiotics have to be used, like oxacillin and other antibiotics engineered for resistant strains of bacterium. In people with even slightly compromised immune systems, it can be lethal. I saw a guy who had a 2 toes blown off by a training accident back in '88. He went to Bethesda and everybody joked about how lucky he was (could've been much, much worse). A few weeks later they were taking his leg off at the knee because of a staph infection he got at the hospital wasn't treated in time and his leg turned gangrenous. That means it started rotting off.

He's tall, but yeah, not much meat on the kid. I think Abraham or Kessler either one, breaks him down and busts him up. paul Williams is too small, he is a very small MW.

good excuse :thinking: :boxing: Not an excuse, just simple truth. When you get to a certain age, your eyes don't focus up close as easy as they did before, say, age 40. Add to that the arrogance of believing you can get everything you need from an article with just a quick glance, and...well, there you have it.

Yeah, it was. I didn't read the thread title closely enough, I just saw "drunk" and "mayweather" and that he wasn't understandable and figured it was FMS without paying any attention. In my own defense, I'm not wearing my reading glasses, and I tend to miss things up close, sometimes.

As funny as that is, I believe NFL and NBA players are superior athletes then any kind of fighter. With some kind of training they could hold there own, not saying the would beat up a professional fighter though. It takes a certain natural ability to fight, more of an instinct then anything. Superior to professional boxers? The conditioning and training that fighters go through, makes training camp for pro ball players look like a day care center. Hell, gymnasts train harder than pro ball players do, though I will say that in the last 20 years or so, training camp has gotten a bit tougher for ball players.

Kessler would have the best chance, and having already been in the ring with Zaggs once, he'd be better prepared...but beat him? Odds would be pretty low. Zaggs would probably be a 5/1 favorite.

Much like the Froch fight, and the rematch with Pavlik, this is a fight that Taylor should win. But I think his stamina issue will kick in late and I wouldn't be surprised at all if Abrahman knocked him out. Yep, agree completely. Taylor should win, but will probably be TKO'd in the 11th or 12th, after fighting a great fight for 8 or 10 rounds and being ahead on the cards. I'd green you for that post, but I'm lazy and you don't need it anyway. You'll just have to be content with my agreeing with you (something I don't do here often, considering the high ratio of dumbass members to intelligent members).

EVERYONE who is picking Abe to win seems to think Jermain is gonna get tired and KTFO.. Thats a valid reason to predict that as he always have stamina issues. BUT.. What if he doesnt get tired? Does he win? Thats the only way I see Abe winning. I dont think he can win a decision. I think Jermain cruises to a decision I think Taylor loses a decision to Kessler whether he gasses or not. Other than that, I'd give him a solid chance of beating everyone else....IF he didn't gas in the last few rounds. Problem is, I've begun to believe that he's physically incapable of conditioning on that level, and is going to gas in the last 2 or 3 rounds no matter what. Which means that he and his trainer need to work more on closing the show early, rather than concentrating on conditioning. He'd have probably come away from the Froch fight with a KO win if he were a better closer. He's got plenty of power and accuracy, he just doesn't have that predatory attitude he needs when he gets his opponent hurt.

Thats just cuz' Tony is a hard hittin' bruiser. Plaster excuse doesn't hold up, cuz' all of his fights play out different. He k.o'd Johnson in 2. He beat Cintron in 5 and 6. He went 12 w/ Clottey and Williams. He blasted out Kyvelos and Gomez in 2. So if plaster takes time to harden, how did he beat these guys in the first 5 or 6 rounds w/ no power? And are Clottey and Williams immune to plaster?? Damn..what great chins they have, lol... Plaster takes anywhere from 2 or 3 minutes, to 15 minutes to completely harden, depending on how it's mixed and what type of plaster. How long, do you think, after a fighter finishes getting wrapped and gloved, before he enters the ring? Half hour, sometimes longer, but rarely less, I think. Also, there may have been times when they weren't convinced they could get away with it and didn't use it. You can look at Cotto's face and tell that there was something going on. He'd been in the ring against real bruisers before Margarito, and NOBODY every busted him up like that. Margarito is, and always was, a talented fighter with a solid defense, well honed skills and a very accurate puncher. He also happens to be a cheating cocksucker whom I'll never watch fight again, regardless of his opponent.

Doesn't matter what anybody else's opinion of the fight is, was, blah, blah, blah....the judges had Froch ahead on the cards, and since their opinions are the only ones that truly make a shitting bit of difference, Froch came away with the victory. And to put it simply, it was Dirrell's fight to win or lose. I had him ahead by a point (after the deduction) but can easily see the judges going with Froch, simply because of the way Dirrell fought scared throughout so much of the fight. A confident boxer doesn't end up on his ass so much without getting hit over a 12 round fight. Nor does he hold as much as Andre did, or end up with his head in his opponent's crotch as much as he did. I agree that Dirrell was the better boxer, more skilled and talented than Froch by far, but he came in with the intention of doing "just enough" to take home a decision, instead of the intent to tear away Froch's belt by force of will, and that shit (usually) never turns out well for the challenger. Had he been the belt holder, the judges might've given him some leeway, but being the challenger, it was his duty to do his damnedest to dominate Froch through the majority of the fight, rather than just in spots during most rounds. And the crying shame of it is that Andre could've knocked Froch out, had he fought the fight he should've. He had him hurt once, and could've done the same at least at one or two points during every single round...he was just too lacking in confidence to capitalize on his speed and skill, and take Carl out. And for that, I have not even the tiniest bit of sympathy. He blew that all on his own. Anyway, like I said...I had Dirrell ahead, but knew full well how it was going to go before the decision was read, and wasn't surprised, or even disappointed, by the judges take on the fight. They had every right to penalize him for holding back so much of himself, and fighting a more timid, safe fight than he needed to. Hopefully, this'll be a learning experience for Andre, and the next time he's challenging for a belt, he'll fight more like he believes he can beat his opponent.

good post but i was there live and scored froch 6 rounds up as i saw the swet fly off dirrells face every time froch jabvbed him and hnce why after 4ound 4 dirrell had a bloodied nose and lips... On tv it looks alot closer though..but even then i have froch 3 rounds up...dirrells best round and most/only meanigful shot was round 10, and guess what, he got a poimnt rightfully deducted... As for dirrell being more talneted, practically every fighter froch faces appears to be more talneted than him yet hes 26 and 0... The americans and calzaghe bum boys better be praying kessler sparks frch out early... That just proves that talent and ability will only get you so far....the rest is up to your willpower and guts, both of which Froch has aplenty. I like the guy, no matter how clumsy he looks in the ring. I don't know how far he'll go on what he has, but he'll always make a good show because of it, and I'm definitely going to be a fan from now on, whether he keeps winning or not.

my point was that froch obvious does have talent..you do know he got a bronze at the world middleweight championship and was favourite to win a gold at the olmpics had he not turned professional... i honestly think people know froch won that fight but they hate him..brought on by himself by slating.. 1)calzaghe..as much as i hate the guy he has a big following.. 2)his arrogance isolates both the british and american fans...the americans expect the europeans to be gentlemen and the british beleive in stiff upper lip and froch is the complete opposite of all that.. 3) slating amir khan..the olympic silver medalist may not be popular but still has a following... So basically the only people that like froch are people like me...nottingham born and bred... thats why its vile atmiospere for whoever fights in nottingham against froch... Well, I don't know that I agree with you about "talent"....I don't mean to imply that he's an utterly talentless bum, but you could never claim that he's a RJJ. What he has is an iron will, fantastic conditioning, a good chin and ass-kicking power. That's enough to get him a long, long way in the fight business. And yes, I know he took home a bronze, but olympic boxing doesn't much resemble a pro fight. His arrogance means shit to me. I'm far more arrogant than Carl is, and certainly won't hold that against him. He actually seems fairly intelligent to me, which makes him all the more likeable in my opinion. I also think you underestimate his fan base. I'm not from Nottingham, or even close, and I'm certainly a fan, and know there are plenty others around here that aren't UK born.

Let me just start by saying: I like boxing. When it comes to Mayweather I view him in the same way I viewed pro wrestler Ric Flair. He may have been one of the absolute best in the ring, but the fact of the matter is he was the bad guy so I was rooting for Hogan. Mayweather is amazing and I may be hoping he loses but his skills are amazing none the less. I think most of us can agree that the way he is portrayed on 24/7 makes you want to boo him, but none the less I need to watch his next fight. My point: How popular would Mayweather be if it was 1982? Personally I think kids my age(22, so I don't know what boxing was actually like back in the 80's but it seems like a golden era with leonard, hagler, duran, and hearns) have no attention spans. I don't think they can actually appreciate his skills. On the other side of the coin they didn't have 24/7 in the 80's which is something we can all agree has helped Mayweather's popularity. My question? How popular would Mayweather be in a different generation? I feel in earlier generations he would have gotten more credit for his skill but he wouldn't have had the marketing of 24/7. Personally I think he would be more popular than he is now, had more fans, but wouldn't have made the paydays he's made recently playing the bad guy. What are your opinions? Pro "Wrestling" is nothing more than a soap opera made for the lowest class of people on earth. Everything is fake, and the whole thing is full of nothing but a bunch of morons and scumbags. And while there may be plenty of the same type of scumbags in boxing, comparing them is absurd.

I don't know if a 3rd fight would matter that much to Cintron. If he blasted him out, everybody would claim it was because Mosley cracked his chin. And if he didn't, people would start back in with the crybaby shit...not something Kermit's ego needs right now. Also, I'm fairly convinced Margarito was wearing casts in both Cintron fights, after having seen Kermit catch some fairly good shots from other punchers without seeing anywhere near the same effect that Tony's punches had, and I just hate to see a cheater get another chance. Margarito, so far as I'm concerned, should be persona-non-grata in the business. After the shit he pulled, I won't ever watch him fight again.

I thought Judah did pretty well the first few rounds. He had Cotto hurt bad at one point, just couldn't finish him (Cotto is a hard, hard guy to put down, and even harder to keep down). After the low blows (unintentional on Cotto's part...he'd just had his bell rung badly and was throwing fairly wild at times), I can also understand Judah gassing a little, and not having as much mustard on his shots....getting your nuts blasted like that takes alot out of you. Been there, never pleasant. Anyway, to my point: I think Pacman and his camp know they're in for a fight. Whether they can overcome Cotto's ruggedness (without using Plaster of Paris), power and ability, remains to be seen. It will probably take Manny fighting a different fight than he ever has in the past. I think he'll need to get in quick to do his work, using a lead left and a hook upstairs to score, and then get the **** back out before Cotto can counter to the body. If he can do this consistantly, he should skate to a decision with relative ease, probably taking 7 or 8 rounds. If he can't, then he's going to be catching alot of body shots from Cotto, and with Manny's size disadvantage, and Cotto's bodywork expertise, Manny could end up slowed down enough in later rounds (after 7 or 8) that he gets caught by Miguel and KO'd. In my opinion, it's a pick'em fight, and could easily go any number of ways. I won't be putting even a penny on this one.