Mayweather doesn't have 1 punch KO power, but his power is underrated. He has enough power for people to respect him. Otherwise he'd just be getting run over like Paulie Malignaggi, or another defensive type fighter that doesn't have the power to keep his opponents respecting him.
After the fights guys always say he doesn't hit hard, but they sure look afraid to take risks coming in on him. Alvarez is a big guy who willingly takes shots from fighters if he doesn't respect their power. He's taken shots from some reasonable punchers. Even he had enough respect for Mayweather's power not to walk through him like he does with other fighters.
Social media age:
Douglas/Tyson - controversy with ***** ass Don King
De La Hoya/Tito - controversy with judges
Numerous others. It will all be forgotten.
Oh, so other fights have left a horrible taste for boxing with the general public, so another one doesn't even matter at this point. No damage done, because it's already considered a dirty corrupt sport.
I think, knowing the history of Floyd, and his age, what he did in the ring is exactly what you'd expect. He can be in good exciting fights when his opponent is good enough to pressure him and make him fight at a faster pace. What Mayweather does looks easy, but it isn't. Really, Pacquiao just got outboxed. He wasn't good enough to put pressure on Floyd.
As for how much damage Mayweather has done to boxing, that's another argument and it's pretty easy to argue his done a lot of damage outside the ring. But that's not what this thread is about.
In this particular fight, I think the post-fight meltdown has done more damage to the sport than Mayweather's well established fighting style. Have you ever heard of a class action lawsuit brought against a boxer by the viewing public before?
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lol he looks injured in your sig OP. Notice how he is throwing that right hand
His left looks pretty ****ty too. Was that arm hurt as well?
By "medicine" you mean painkillers. The problem with masking injuries with painkillers is that you end up hurting yourself more, because you lack pain telling you to stop. What doctor, in their right mind, would clear Pacquiao to fight if he had a significant injury? They said "doctors" told him it would be fine with painkillers. I say that's bull****. If anything they said, "You really shouldn't do this," or the injury wasn't significant before he stepped into the ring.
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Haven't posted in ages, because boxing sucks. Very few good fighters and they're all in different divisions. The best fighters don't have anyone good to fight, and tonights fight was apparently no exception. Five years ago, Mayweather would have crushed Pac easily. Tonight, having slowed down, it was just a routine technical decision, judging from just about every live scorecard and post-fight analysis I could find.
Pac has been a great creation, a very good fighter who was hyped into a good person and an all-time great. He's genuinely very good, but he's not one of the greatest fighters ever, just very good for the era he's in. The problem is, he's just not on the same level as Mayweather. His image is totally manufactured. He's a scumbag with questionable morals. If we watched fighters based on who was a good person, there'd be no fighters to watch. It's part of the reason I don't watch anymore (that an understanding how horrible concussions and brain damage are).
That said, I was happy to hear Pac lost. I didn't watch it, because I don't care anymore. Pac is the casual fans dream. An action guy who pretends to be humble while beating the **** out of people that are perfectly suited for his style. As more of a boxing purist, it's nice to hear he lost, and people got to see he's not all he was cracked up to be. Floyd has diminished quite a bit, probably more than Pac, and he still won, because he has unparalleled skill and training habits.
Also, Freddie Roach talks more **** than any trainer in boxing. He's immensely disrespectful, so hopefully this teaches him to shut his mouth and do his job. He's no longer a fighter. He doesn't get in the ring, so he has no right to say anything bad about his fighters opponent. He made himself and Manny look like *******s for his behaviour. Glad they lost.
This will be a tough fight for Floyd. Shane is an inch taller and has a couple inches of reach on him, and still has quick hands and lots of power. Oh, and a granite chin. Floyd has the skills to outbox anyone, but if anyone could catch him and hurt him, it's Shane. This might even be a tougher fight than Pac, just because Floyd would have 5" reach and almost 2" height on Pac, making it a lot easier to work his jab and force Pac to reach in on him. I hope this fight happens. Shane is still in good form.
EPO stimulates Red Blood Cell count, so I don't see how a urine test could detect that.
Something about the drug passes through the kidneys and shows up. They aren't detecting the elevated blood count, it's something from the drug. The problem with the newer EPO drugs is they don't pass through the kidneys well, so urine testing is not really dependable. That's what I'm reading about this drug that I linked about.
u are dumb he said floyd went public cuz of the 14 day cut issue that killed the mediation.. the 14 day cut issue is before the mediation idiot!!
So, what was the reason the mediation failed? Arum said it was Floyd refusing the 24 day cutoff. If Floyd offered 14 days before mediation, then the cutoff date was the reason the mediation failed. Get it?
Ok guys, so Floyd was abusing a banned substance to get an advantage in his fights. So why didn't Pac agree to the drug testing right away knowing it would help ensure that Mayweather wouldn't cheat?
I see what you are saying. But, now looking back do you think Team Mayweather should of went to the commission first? And, try to make it as a mandatory for boxing in general in the state of Nevada?
I think they said they wouldn't have time to change their policy for that fight, and I'm not sure they'd adopt it anyway. I hope someone tries to get it passed.
I really think the commission doesn't want it, because they don't want fights cancelled or rescheduled. And the promoters probably don't want it, in general, because they stand to lose fighters to bans, and lose money to cancellations.
I find it funny that so many people dispute drug testing experts. Pac, Arum and Roach don't know shit about drug testing, and neither do any of us, really. But there have been quite a few quotes on this forum, from drug testing experts that have said all of the testing needs to be random without a cutoff period, and must include blood.
And for everyone that says EPO can be detected in urine, that's true for some EPO. The most reliable test for that drug in particular is a blood test, as of December 2009.
There's no two ways about it; If boxing wants to ensure its fighters are clean, for their own health and safety, then they need to random urine and blood testing without notification.
again, i ask you. has the USADA caught an athlete using EPOs? Name one. just one.
point two, then the USADA is just shitting the public claiming that its urine test technology can detect all EPOs?
For one, the USADA uses WADA accredited labs and follows the WADA protocol. Do some google searches if you want to know how many athlete's have been caught for EPO using the WADA protocol.
I have no idea what urine test you're talking about. I know they have a new urine test that might replace the blood test for hGH.
It must have been legal when Floyd used it; because he never got in any trouble despite HBO knowing he has used it in the past (see here - post fight interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTnS0i0_Y1o), and they even mentioned it in a short story about Floyd's hands before the first Castillo fight.
But nice try attempting a smokescreen for Pac's obvious distaste in being tested for PED's.
Are you accusing me of sticking up for Pac, because I'm not? I don't know if he's clean or not. To me, him dodging the tests is suspicious. Like I said, if he's clean, he'd have to be completely retarded to walk away from this fight because of a blood test.
I've been blaming Pac and his camp all along. As an ambassador to the sport and one of its top athletes, you do not walk away from the international standard for drug and doping testing when the world is watching. There is absolutely nothing harmful about participating. If he'd agreed from day one, there never would have been a controversy over this. I don't care what Floyd's motivations in demanding the tests were, or whether Floyd is right about Pac being on steroids or not. You just don't walk away from this kind of fight, if you're clean, when you have $40 million to gain and the reputation of the sport is on the line. To me, it's suspicious.
What I meant is that if Floyd is or has been reliant on a potentially banned substance to be in top form, then Pac would have to be outrageously stupid to walk away from this fight because of a blood test, if he's clean. I guess I am overlooking the possibility that he's actually one of the dumbest human beings alive.
urine tests > blood tests.
true story.
The latest test for 3rd generation EPO, like Mercera, is a blood test. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-12/w-rdn121409.php
My understanding is they can detect it in urine, but it is less likely to be caught. Something about the way it is processed by the kidneys.
Sorry guys, but leave this stuff to the experts. If they say blood testing is necessary, then it is necessary. One really good reason is they will retest stored blood up to 8 years, so if the science gets updated they can go back and retest samples. The idea being that say if someone were to win a medal at the Vancouver Olympics this year without getting caught, they can retest the sample up to 2018 and take the persons medal away if they were found to be cheating.
A bunch of us internet warriors shouldn't be arguing against what the experts are saying.
question this, has there been any athletes caught by the usada is its random tests?
point two. gbp wants usada to focus on random blood tests. i dont see any problem with that except the usada has announced as early as 2008 that it has funded a company that developed technoloy to detect various epos solely by urine testing.
point three. is floyd trying to catch himself? blood test do not show lidocaine use.
Seriously, you're vastly uninformed on this one. Floyd asked for blood AND URINE testing to be conducted by the USADA.
Why hasn't the USADA caught any athletes in its random tests? Is that actually true? What's your theory?
Point two is plain wrong. Some EPO can be found reliably in urine. Some can not, which is one reason why they need blood testing.
do learn to read posts, especially the last ones. floyd wants random blood tests, which do not detect lidocaine abuse. unlimited random urine tests, which can detect lidocaine abuse, are what pac wants.
Are you serious? Floyd asked for the USADA to be the drug tester and to do both urine and blood testing as is their normal procedure. After idiotically claiming that the USADA would be biased, Pac's camp agreed to random urine, but not random blood.
yeah i understand it can imply to Pac. but atleast Pac has a reason as stated before he doesnt want blood to be taken from him close to the fight esp during the process of him maintaining the weight. how about floyd? effectiveness of 14 and 24 days are the same so its up for floyd to just accept 24 days. i think ur reasonable, so what do u say?
So you think Pac's phobia about blood testing is more important to his camp than ensuring that Mayweather isn't cheating?
That's the whole thing about this testing; They both had to participate. If Mayweather abuses drugs and doping, he'd have to get clean, giving Pac an advantage (if he's already clean).
So tell me, what is wrong with this picture? In my mind, Pac has just made himself a lot more suspicious. That doesn't let Mayweather off the hook if he's been using banned substances, but Pac should have 100% agreed to the testing from the outset.
lol... there is no issue on the mediation on the 14 day cut off it was rejected by pac team before the mediation!!
That doesn't make any sense. What exactly is the issue then, if not arguing over a 24 day or 14 day cutoff? Pac and Mayweather just decided not to fight anymore? I'm pretty sure both sides have said the cutoff date is the issue.
I seem to remember a fight where Oscar got in trouble a little from the NSAC for taking a cortisone shot in his hand before the fight, or something like that. I don't know what the rules are.
I think Pac wanted 3 tests, the week of the initial press conference, once immediately after the fight, and one random test some time up to the 30 day cut off.
If Floyd uses Xylocaine, which he may have, and it is on the list of substances banned by the USADA, Pac was a complete moron to turn down this fight. Think about it; They had a chance to fight Floyd with rules that may have been more detrimental to Floyd than Pac. Bob Arum and Pac's camp are even stupider than I thought, if Pac is clean. Who would turn down $40 million to fight a potentially disadvantaged Floyd Jr?
There are some questions here, like whether he needs it for every fight, whether there are legal substitutes for his hands and whether there are occasions you can use it with doctor approval. But still, this seems like it may have been an opportunity lost for Pac, all because of a nonsense phobia about needles (if he's clean). Thanks, Bob Arum and company, for being completely retarded.
Sorry, just bumping my own post, because the more I think about this, the more it does not make sense. I can't see how this fight falling apart can be anyone other than Arum or Pac and his team's stupidity.
so why would floyd still make a compromise of 14 days if its effectiveness will still be the same as with 24 days? how bout floyd just accepting the 24 day coz it's just the same. but anyway, Pac-Clottey is almost done. it's a solid fight
I believe there is a quote from Floyd and his camp where they offered 14 days to get the fight done, but they believed they shouldn't have to compromise on drug testing at all. Basically it was a take it or leave it offer, with a short window where Pac might be able to get away with something. To be honest, I have no idea why he made the offer. He shouldn't have. Anyway, all Pac did is make himself look even worse by refusing.
And you do realize that what you're saying could apply exactly the same way to Pac?
"so why would Pac still make a compromise of 24 days if its effectiveness will still be the same as with 14 days? how bout Pac just accepting the 14 day coz it's just the same."
I think Pac wanted 3 tests, the week of the initial press conference, once immediately after the fight, and one random test some time up to the 30 day cut off.
If Floyd uses Xylocaine, which he may have, and it is on the list of substances banned by the USADA, Pac was a complete moron to turn down this fight. Think about it; They had a chance to fight Floyd with rules that may have been more detrimental to Floyd than Pac. Bob Arum and Pac's camp are even stupider than I thought, if Pac is clean. Who would turn down $40 million to fight a potentially disadvantaged Floyd Jr?
There are some questions here, like whether he needs it for every fight, whether there are legal substitutes for his hands and whether there are occasions you can use it with doctor approval. But still, this seems like it may have been an opportunity lost for Pac, all because of a nonsense phobia about needles (if he's clean). Thanks, Bob Arum and company, for being completely retarded.
pac wants random and unlimited urine tests. show me a link where floyd is espousing unlimited random urine tests, not blood tests.
That was easy enough. He asked for the USADA to conduct the testing, and their procedure is urine and blood.
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=24278
"The mega-fight between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao is now in jeopardy after Golden Boy Promotions, on behalf of Mayweather Promotions, learned today that Manny Pacquiao is refusing to comply with Olympic style drug testing as outlined and mandated by the United States Anti Doping Agency (USADA) and as requested by Mayweather's management to ensure fair play and sportsmanship by both fighters.
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Olympic style drug testing involves random sampling of the athlete's blood and urine prior to and after the fight. The USADA procedure includes both blood and urine sampling so that all banned substances, some of which do not show up in urine alone, are tested for thoroughly."
first, ask this Dr Caitlin what the acceptable date is. Coz maybe 14 day is not acceptable to him as well. Can you ask him? im sure u have a reliable source like Teddy Atlas..:boxing:
The doctor is saying you need random testing right up until the day of the fight. Floyd is offering a compromise of 14 days, which also compromises the effectiveness of the drug testing protocol. Having one test after the fight is not good enough because the fighters could abuse peds/doping on a schedule that clears after the fight.
Every time someone posts a link with information from a real drug testing expert, the thread dies and gets buried because no one has a legitimate response to it. Then people start all kinds of new threads asking the same questions over and over again, about why they need blood testing and why it has to be random, and why should Mayweather be able to "change the rules" etc.
It's plain and simple. The drug testing experts know what's up and they say random blood testing right up to the competition, and I'm assuming one within hours of completion of the competition, which is what WADA does.
Bob Arum is a piece of shit. Anyone that defends a fighter that tries to load his gloves shouldn't be involved in boxing, period. He stood against Margarito's suspension when Margarito should have been suspended for life.
Now he blows it on the biggest boxing match in ages. He sucks. They couldn't accept 14 days? Maybe he'll come out and say these quotes are fabricated. They could be. I don't know. Pac should have taken the tests, no matter what. Being offered 14 days was a serious compromise to get this done.
How can you deal with a camp like Pac's when they are horribly uninformed and have awesome arguments like, "He just doesn't want to take the tests" or "He has a fear or superstition of extracting blood less than 30 days." Plus, they don't know shit about drug testing, "Koncz revealed it he had been told by experts that any performancing enhancing drugs "will be in your blood 40 days before the fight or the day after the fight. Whatever is there is there for that time period. So what the hell does 14 days have to do with it? Nothing other than to irritate Manny knowing that he has whatever; a fear or a superstition of extracting blood less than 30 days." http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=24562
These are really the morons that are running and ruining boxing.
so, has any athlete tested positive for the PED use though the USADA method?
do name even just one olympic athlete who failed to pass a USADA test.
random high tech bullshit my ass.
http://blog.taragana.com/sports/2009/10/06/usada-cyclist-mitch-comardo-accepts-2-year-ban-after-positive-test-for-banned-substances-35137/