I tend to think that "best" is in the eye of the beholder myself. It's pretty rare that something/someone is clearly the best because it's so often a matter of opinion.
I think he definitely will be after his career is over, but right now it's borderline. In one sense it would be wonderful to see if someone can push him to be greater, in another sense it's cool that he is dominating and hardly losing a round. The problem is there aren't many established heavyweights that will give him credibility if he beats them. If he beats Haye, then people will say he beat a blown up cruiserweight. If he beats Povetkin then he was too green etc. But when it's all over, people will look back and say "Wow, he really was something!"
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/06/07/alg_mayweather-gatti.jpg
Oh come now. Gatti was in war after war. It was the totality of it that did the damage.
I suspect he would happily fight Mosley anyway unless Floyd somehow KOs him. They'd say that Mosley is easier to negotiate with (I'd certainly give them that) and would be a more exciting fight (yep probably).
Of course many of us would then chant about how Pac fights Floyd's leftovers, but we'd buy the fight anyway because it would be a great one.
We do have to remember that whoever pays for the venue is going to expect to make a profit from it. Last summer Wlad paid for the venue, so it was only fair that he make more money from the proceeds - return on investment. It's not just cut and dried as who gets what split, there's a lot to think about.
I am giving it some thought. It's not the money so much as the late night for me, I'm used to being in bed at a certain time and the fights on the west coast tend to go pretty late for me. I know that sounds lame but I don't like feeling bad the next day because my body will make me get up anyway.
I've never bought a PPV before that cost more than $15, so it's a big occasion for me.
lets not forget cotto has to be his own boss cuz he fights for arum and floyd dont do business with arum. funny that also describes pac :rofl:
I was going to say something along these lines. Arum and Mayweather just don't mix well. Hence I voted that it wouldn't happen. I don't believe Floyd will fight Pac either even though I really want it.
They always schedule it for 5 hours it seems but the broadcast will likely be somewhere between 3:30-4:00 hours in length. It seems they schedule the main event to start roughly at 11:15-11:30 as far as national anthems, etc. and that plus the fight and post fight generally last close to 1 and 1/2 hours assuming the fight goes 12.
Hmmm I could probably manage 1AM... I know I sound like a pansy but I'm one of those people who doesn't do well without sleep. Maybe if I get a nap in or something...
Hmmm we've got some major differences of opinion here and I've only read the last couple pages. If this goes to the scorecards it could be a crazy split decision if the judges have the same kinds of differences.
I would have been satisfied with a draw or 7-5 Cloud, but not the 8-4 the judges saw. Really each man beat the other in a sense: Cloud won physically when he threw punches but Johnson took it out of him mentally, so a draw is fairest.
Dawson proved he learned something from his first fight with Johnson and won convincingly the second time around. The way Cloud fought at times makes me wonder if he has learned the same thing and if he would do much better in a rematch. I'd like to see one.
I'm really not sure what you're getting at. This is the statement that I read at the time, it was good enough for me:
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=14329
Course that "permenantly" didn't really work out.
I'll never question his skills, but he NEEDS to fight and beat Pac, period. Right now he's at the top of my list, but he'll have no choice but to go down in my eyes for not taking that fight, unless he fights Martinez at 154-160 which would redeem him in my eyes. That said, Pac fighting either Cotto or Margarito isn't on my happy list either so he won't gain much in my eyes either. He'll just take the top spot by default.
I guess it depends on people's perception of Cotto. He's a likeable guy, but many will likely consider him damaged goods and consider it a foregone conclusion. Others would say Floyd is fighting Pac's leftovers (leftover war anyone?) and refuse to buy. My guess is 1.3 million.
Hey good to see you again! This is the forum where I really hang out. Fact is I got banned at "the other forum" for talking about Boxingscene so that's why you haven't heard from me.
It almost feels like a parent who says "This is the last time I'm going to tell you!"... for the fifth time. Seemed like a real threat, now it doesn't seem to be much of anything. I don't get it. This whole thing doesn't make sense to me, either side.
Different people react differently in the same sort of situation, it's just part of being human. What he does in the future will show us what kind of fighter he really is. If he recovers and does well, then I'd say this excuse is valid. If his career goes down the toilet, then it'll just have been an excuse.
Considering the fight to that point, the right man won. However I think a rematch (or trilogy) is well deserved because of the way it ended. I thought from the beginning that something was wrong with Dawson's arms, the way he shook them out just didn't seem quite right to me, but maybe it's his habit and I just don't know about it.
For what it's worth, congrats on the call. Catch around here is you have to be known and trusted before people will listen to you much, that's why you had such a negative reception.