~The OFFICIAL Alexander & Cloud: RBR and Discussion Thread~

yeah but we have HDTV's and different Camera Angles while watching at home, judges are watching the fight from a totally different view compared to what we see at home plus the SLOW MOTIONS we get to see after every round Alexander just stayed active, every time Kotelnik would land something big Alexander just kept answering back with SOMETHING of his own He wasn't answering with anything most the time, it's not answering if those punches don't land, it's just looking stupid hitting air and gloves. I don't understand why so many people who DESTROYED Froch for winning the Dirrell fight hitting nothing but air and gloves are all of a sudden giving Alexander credit for the same thing.

Which is all that matters in boxing. If you don't land a punch it's the same as having not thrown one. yeah but we have HDTV's and different Camera Angles while watching at home, judges are watching the fight from a totally different view compared to what we see at home plus the SLOW MOTIONS we get to see after every round Alexander just stayed active, every time Kotelnik would land something big Alexander just kept answering back with SOMETHING of his own

Kotelnik is a seasoned pro with high guard and great defence, When he came over here he gave a prime Junior Witter all he could handle and some even score the fight to Kotelnik, Most of his loses have been disputed, Only Khan has beaten him cleanly but even in that fight Khan was struggling and Roach had Khan running away in the end. ...and this has a lot to do with the size of Khan. Compared to Ktelnik, it's like a big WW compared to a normal sized JWW. The size, height and reach, would play a big part in those fights. Maidana is pretty normal JWW whereas Khan is monstrous at 5'10".

Funny how people here say Bradley ducked Alexander, and now all of a sudden Alexander ain't that great... Everybody has a bad night like this, anyways I had Bradley over Alexander before this fight and still have him winning... the problem is a lot of people here complain just because he looked bad in 1 fight... Just remember May/Castillo Pac/Marquez . If he looks like this in his next 2 or 3 fights he sucks... but lets just say it was just a bad night for now... Neither of them looked bad though. They all looked amazing on those four fights. They looked like what they were, the best fighters in the sport and their divisions battling it out to very close, sometimes badly awarded, fights. All of them landed good, clean, hard punches, showed good defense, ring generalship....you get the point I'm sure. They looked amazing against fighters who were just as amazing. Very different than this fight.

Kotelnik fought a good fight and I will admit if he throws more punches he probably steals this fight, sure he was accurate no doubt and landing the harder punches but every time he land Alexander would come back with combos even though a lot of them wasn't landing Alexander got caught up trying to put on a show for his fans instead of fighting his fight but hopefully one of these 140 guys will grow some balls and come and fight him thinking that they can take advantage of him and end up running into a totally different Alexander Which is all that matters in boxing. If you don't land a punch it's the same as having not thrown one.

can we go over this again. clean punching- all kotelnik. alexander threw more but missed virtually everything or was blocked. defense- all kotelnik. he was rarely hit clean while alexander was hit clean over and over. effective agression-all kotelnik again. he picked his spots to land clean hard punches while constantly backing alexander up. ring generalship- in the first couple rounds alexander was able to turn kotelnik and make him look like a plodder. in rounds 4-12 kotelnik walked alexander down. so when we use the actual rules how does alexander win? quite perplexing to me. oh right the rules don't matter the judges are just cardboard cut outs. 100% agree, thank god

can we go over this again. clean punching- all kotelnik. alexander threw more but missed virtually everything or was blocked. defense- all kotelnik. he was rarely hit clean while alexander was hit clean over and over. effective agression-all kotelnik again. he picked his spots to land clean hard punches while constantly backing alexander up. ring generalship- in the first couple rounds alexander was able to turn kotelnik and make him look like a plodder. in rounds 4-12 kotelnik walked alexander down. so when we use the actual rules how does alexander win? quite perplexing to me. oh right the rules don't matter the judges are just cardboard cut outs.

The reality is that, HBO has picked Alexander as a "superstar"..they want to use him to make money in the future and letting him lose to Kotelnik is not in their plans Yep. It is part of the 'system.' The same was going to happen to Pirog, he just managed to get the job done before the decision.

You can be pushed and still win. IMO Devon won 9-10 rounds on my card. Give or take. Kotelnik fought his ass off and pressed the fight. He didnt do enough work to win the round. In boxing you score by the round. Not by 20 seconds of the round. Rounds ar 3 Minutes not 20 seconds. Alexander WORKED the whole fight. He knew Kotelnik would shell up so he kept tagging away. Similar to Pac-Clottey except Kotelnik threw more. Man, this fight was far, from a Pac/Clottey scenario. Kotelnik actually threw punches back and was NOT as active as Alexander, I'll give you that. The problem is that what good is having a defense when you get no credit for blocking the opponent's punches? He actually outlanded Alexander when Clottey did not outland Pac. Aggression is only valuable when it is EFFECTIVE and Alexander's aggression was not effective tonight...this is main point here. The reality is that, HBO has picked Alexander as a "superstar"..they want to use him to make money in the future and letting him lose to Kotelnik is not in their plans.

No Cellings you are a moron, you keep saying work work work. Wtf is work when youre punches dont land, just hit thin air. Kotelnik was landing clean effective punches in everyround. 8-4 decision for kotelnik easy. Alexander is just lucky that Kotelnik dont have power or else he would have been ktfo

You can be pushed and still win. IMO Devon won 9-10 rounds on my card. Give or take. Kotelnik fought his ass off and pressed the fight. He didnt do enough work to win the round. In boxing you score by the round. Not by 20 seconds of the round. Rounds ar 3 Minutes not 20 seconds. Alexander WORKED the whole fight. He knew Kotelnik would shell up so he kept tagging away. Similar to Pac-Clottey except Kotelnik threw more. Worked on what? Hitting thin air and gloves? Kotelnik got the cleaner and harder shots all fight and the stats show he landed more punches. How the **** did Alexander win?

I didn't understand how Kotelnik got the best of Maidana before but I get it now. He's got solid timing and he's rangy and hard to hit for guys with less reach. Amir obviously is one of the most rangy guys in the division. Definitely the most rangy out of the guys who lead the division right now. Kotelnik is a seasoned pro with high guard and great defence, When he came over here he gave a prime Junior Witter all he could handle and some even score the fight to Kotelnik, Most of his loses have been disputed, Only Khan has beaten him cleanly but even in that fight Khan was struggling and Roach had Khan running away in the end.

And i thought Devon did just enough to win...clarifying MY scorecard..

Funny how people here say Bradley ducked Alexander, and now all of a sudden Alexander ain't that great... Everybody has a bad night like this, anyways I had Bradley over Alexander before this fight and still have him winning... the problem is a lot of people here complain just because he looked bad in 1 fight... Just remember May/Castillo Pac/Marquez . If he looks like this in his next 2 or 3 fights he sucks... but lets just say it was just a bad night for now...

I didn't understand how Kotelnik got the best of Maidana before but I get it now. He's got solid timing and he's rangy and hard to hit for guys with less reach. Amir obviously is one of the most rangy guys in the division. Definitely the most rangy out of the guys who lead the division right now.

Dude, I have a boxing DVD collection that you would sh*t yourself over and I'm likely older than you anyways...calling people a kid....sounds like an early 20's thing just finding independence..I get that. The point is, people like you hyping up this dude like he is untouchable and he got touched....a lot tonight, nothing to do with being pushed to the limits because according to your scorecards..10-2, was coasting all night. So which is it? He was pushed to the limit or coasted to a 10-2 easy beatdown....you can't have it both ways. You can be pushed and still win. IMO Devon won 9-10 rounds on my card. Give or take. Kotelnik fought his ass off and pressed the fight. He didnt do enough work to win the round. In boxing you score by the round. Not by 20 seconds of the round. Rounds ar 3 Minutes not 20 seconds. Alexander WORKED the whole fight. He knew Kotelnik would shell up so he kept tagging away. Similar to Pac-Clottey except Kotelnik threw more.

I wonder if Lederman gets paid a little more for spewing BS and confusing the public.

I said the same thing. people said bradley had a bad fight. Im thinking to my self wtf they were watching. especially people who suppose to be boxing purist. Yeah, I saw what I always see from Bradley: a multi-faceted boxer fighting in the manner most effective for him to win. He's got a lot to his game although he tends to have lapses where he gets wild. Other than that, I see very little weakness.

All am going to say is, If Pacquiao fought the way Alexander did and Mayweather fought the way Kotelnik did and the judges gives Pacquaio the fight like they did alexander here please NO ONE should complain about it.

Alexander sucks because he was pushed to the limits. Gotcha. Go watch more fights then get at me. Dude, I have a boxing DVD collection that you would sh*t yourself over and I'm likely older than you anyways...calling people a kid....sounds like an early 20's thing just finding independence..I get that. The point is, people like you hyping up this dude like he is untouchable and he got touched....a lot tonight, nothing to do with being pushed to the limits because according to your scorecards..10-2, was coasting all night. So which is it? He was pushed to the limit or coasted to a 10-2 easy beatdown....you can't have it both ways.