Would HBO/Showtime pay for Haye VS Wladimir?
I would say Yes.
Would they show Potvekin?
I would say Unlikely. If they did, not as much money for sure.
Could those two sell 100k in England? Hell yeah. Could those two sell 100k in Germany?
Hell yeah.
Does Wlad sell PPV in the UK?
No.
Does Haye sell PPV in the UK?
Yes.
Is boxing in Germany free to watch?
Yes.
So the money will pretty much be the same since it won;t be PPV.
Does fighting Haye generate money?
Hell yes.
Does Haye have a belt?
Yes.
What do the Klit's want? All four belts at one time.
Is Haye worth 50/50? Not really, but he deserves 40% because I am sure an American TV show will broadcast it, and the UK will PPV it.
Haye has basically sold the fight when he joined the HW division by face to face calling out Wlad.
He got Vitali angry with the tee shirts and had a lil push fight in a restaurant.
What do boxing fans want?
Wladimir VS Haye.
Haye deserves 40% for actually making these guys wanting to fight him, and getting some fans back into the HW division. He will bring more to the table than anyone else out there toehr than Vitali.
Haye will bring publicity, money and get Wlad to actually load up with anger.
I'd pay 50 pounds to watch this shit.
If the fight happens in London, we could have a drink or something my friend.
It would be ncie to see a BS face, and one who talks passionately about his favourtie fighter in a respectable manner.
That would be nice, my man :beerchug:
seriously dude, check your math
50 x 100,000= 5 mill
100 x 100g= 10 mill
Damn my maths always been shit :(
OK so it won';t be big as I thought!
Meh I give up then lol
60% with Haye is most likely bigger than 90% with anyone else IMO.
Maybe I'm being optimistic with my projections, but using numbers from the past, it's very doable.
Even if they sell 50k seats, that's 25 million. that's 38 mil dollars. If the minimum seats are 50 pounds, which usually is the rpice for the cheap tickets.
I believe they can get 100k though, I could get like 5 mates myself who aren't even into boxing if it's in Wembley.
Heck I've paid 200 pounds for seats, so if they sold 100k, it will likely make more than 50 mil sicne righside seats will be like 1 k.
seriously dude, check your math
50 x 100,000= 5 mill
100 x 100g= 10 mill
I agree, 60-40 is reasonable. 50-50 is utter bollocks though, if Haye keeps up demanding it, he's pricing himself out.
If the fight happens in London, we could have a drink or something my friend.
It would be ncie to see a BS face, and one who talks passionately about his favourtie fighter in a respectable manner.
40 would be real generous to Haye, but if they really want to make the fight happean that would probably do it.
They are already pretty rich and it would just be one fight, how much is it worth to them to shut Haye up.
60% with Haye is most likely bigger than 90% with anyone else IMO.
Maybe I'm being optimistic with my projections, but using numbers from the past, it's very doable.
Even if they sell 50k seats, that's 25 million. that's 38 mil dollars. If the minimum seats are 50 pounds, which usually is the rpice for the cheap tickets.
I believe they can get 100k though, I could get like 5 mates myself who aren't even into boxing if it's in Wembley.
Heck I've paid 200 pounds for seats, so if they sold 100k, it will likely make more than 50 mil sicne righside seats will be like 1 k.
40 would be real generous to Haye, but if they really want to make the fight happean that would probably do it.
They are already pretty rich and it would just be one fight, how much is it worth to them to shut Haye up.
We do have to remember that whoever pays for the venue is going to expect to make a profit from it. Last summer Wlad paid for the venue, so it was only fair that he make more money from the proceeds - return on investment. It's not just cut and dried as who gets what split, there's a lot to think about.
Its a certainly the biggest payday for both in their careers, but some suggested holding it in the U.S which is a terrible idea as no one in the states knows who Haye is and Wlad just really isn't that popular here.
I don't really know what each makes on average or how many tickets they sell but the fight should most certainly be somewhere in Europe and HBO or Showtime would be stupid not to pick it up as this should end with someone getting KTFO in dramatic fashion.
Wlad sold out 50k seats twice. I debated that the first 50k sold had some to do with Haye but that's another story.
Haye was in a 23k arena in manchester. It looked sold out to me.
He is getting more TV exposure and defnitely can sell 50k minimum in London (Home town)
Some UKrainian/russian/germans will go to this fight for sure.
Then a lot of the UK too.
Heck after the world cup this year which happens every 4 years and the best teams of the world are here (Soccer) there will be a lot of pride/nationalism.
Haye's pay days only started with Valuev IMO. He amanged to get onto Sky TV which does 15 pounds PPV (about maybe 25 dollars) after sentanta went bust.
He must have earnt a few million.
The US would be a bad idea. Germany and UK has the right people to sell it to.
40/60 is the maximum level of fairness in Haye's favor, any more is just alot more than he is worth.
Keep in mind Wlad is the champ he has what Haye wants even if the belts were made of cardboard, the distinction of the #1 HW in the division would make him a more marketable commodity worldwide which he isn't now.
How much you think they can make each bro?
I feel maybe 20 atleast?
If Haye and Wlad make 1 mil, thats 15mil pounds. Not sure hwo much goes to the fighters though. That's just under 17mil euros through the PPV alone. Then companies will advertise between each round so that's also a lot.
Valuev and Haye did about 800k apparently, and now that Haye had a more better fight in terms of excitement, it can do over 1 mil IMO.
How much would HBO/Showtime pay?
I think they can sell 100k seats in Wembley at 50 UK pounds minimum. That's 50 million lol. Maybe looking at 55mil (62 euros) with more expensive seating
So
16.95mil euros from ppv
62mil minium from gate
German/russian/Ukrainian TV
US tv
That's a lot of money right there
No kidding, Adam Booth appears to be a total amateur as a coach. No doubt Haye's talent in the ring is rare, Booths boxing coach acumen simply doesn't match Haye's boxing talent.
Haye could probably work on his defense a lot with a top notch trainer. Look what Manny did with Wlads footwork and range control. I think when Manny took over Wlad he wasn't much older than Haye is now.
Roach, MW Sr., any trainer would love to work with Haye because he doensn't seem to have any work ethic problems. He doesn't appear to be a lazy SOB in the gym.
I don't know Adam Booth but he is not teaching Haye to hold his hands up.
They are friends from a yougn age, and it's hard to talk to a friend and fire them.
The otehr sisue is, he is actually a very clever man, and gives the right game plan.
The bad thing is, he releis on Haye's reflexes and that's just not gonna work well against a long, powerful, fast guy.
Haye could have maybe been a lot better with a world class trainer, but the more I think of it, maybe their friendship got him to where he is also.
No kidding, Adam Booth appears to be a total amateur as a coach. No doubt Haye's talent in the ring is rare, Booths boxing coach acumen simply doesn't match Haye's boxing talent.
Haye could probably work on his defense a lot with a top notch trainer. Look what Manny did with Wlads footwork and range control. I think when Manny took over Wlad he wasn't much older than Haye is now.
Roach, MW Sr., any trainer would love to work with Haye because he doensn't seem to have any work ethic problems. He doesn't appear to be a lazy SOB in the gym.
Thanks for replies.
This fight will be the biggest HW fight since Tyson-Lewis IMO
a lot of hype and stories. Imagine both of them bitching, dissing and getting angry, and Vitali in there too.
Emmanuel steward would get involved too.
Damn man Haye needs to hire Floyd Senior.
if i was haye, i wouldn't let any of the klits get a penny from the uk ppv. That alone will be worth millions for haye.
That would be very smart by Haye, let Klits keep german and spilt U.S.
I'm sure it will cross his mind.
Would HBO/Showtime pay for Haye VS Wladimir?
I would say Yes.
Would they show Potvekin?
I would say Unlikely. If they did, not as much money for sure.
Could those two sell 100k in England? Hell yeah. Could those two sell 100k in Germany?
Hell yeah.
Does Wlad sell PPV in the UK?
No.
Does Haye sell PPV in the UK?
Yes.
Is boxing in Germany free to watch?
Yes.
So the money will pretty much be the same since it won;t be PPV.
Does fighting Haye generate money?
Hell yes.
Does Haye have a belt?
Yes.
What do the Klit's want? All four belts at one time.
Is Haye worth 50/50? Not really, but he deserves 40% because I am sure an American TV show will broadcast it, and the UK will PPV it.
Haye has basically sold the fight when he joined the HW division by face to face calling out Wlad.
He got Vitali angry with the tee shirts and had a lil push fight in a restaurant.
What do boxing fans want?
Wladimir VS Haye.
Haye deserves 40% for actually making these guys wanting to fight him, and getting some fans back into the HW division. He will bring more to the table than anyone else out there toehr than Vitali.
Haye will bring publicity, money and get Wlad to actually load up with anger.
I'd pay 50 pounds to watch this shit.
Beautiful thread. Everything that was said I agree with, very well said. Better than I could.
Green k.
Why isn't it fair? two guys in the ring, two world champs. Haye is a former undisputed cruiserweight world champion and now heavyweight champion, hes become a huge name in the UK now. Haye will most likely get a significant % of the UK box office just like Hatton did, i'd be suprised if the Klitchko's see any of that money. Why not just let Haye earn all the money from the UK and Wlad/Vitali from Germany but I don't get why the Klitchko's should get anymore than a 50% split.
It all about Market-Values and at the moment Wlad has more market value, 50-50 is not option and shouldnt be an option, I hope the fight happens for whatever % they agree on but if Wlad settled for 60-40 then i would support him for that.
Maybe it will be fair to Haye to go 40/60 (Wlad getting 60) if Wlad comes to Wembley. 50/50 if Haye comes to Germany.
Wlad should accept such a compromise. Each side has to give a little.
70/30 is a compromise. wlad deserves more than that.
Maybe it will be fair to Haye to go 40/60 (Wlad getting 60) if Wlad comes to Wembley. 50/50 if Haye comes to Germany.
Wlad should accept such a compromise. Each side has to give a little.